I think you're highly underestimating the value of even a 0.0 system. Can you show me a high-sec system where you can customize and upgrade the system? No, you can't, because that can't happen. Can you show me a highsec system where you can moon mine? No, you can't, because that can't happen.

Given the chance, I believe that smaller alliances that knew their space was "theirs" would jump at the chance to live in even 0.0 true-sec. But then, what do I know? I am just in an NPC Corp.

I don't know wtf the OP is on about ... but I will say that I think a big HBC vs. CFC war wod Iuld be equal parts hilarious and epic.

And I'm not talking about a little "hey we're bored lets un-blue each other a while" kind of war. I mean an all out ultimate deathmatch find out who is the best obnoxious trolling bad at eve but winning anyway force in the EVE universe kind of war.

I would totally pick a side, enlist, and head off to fight in that.

I expressed similar views a while back and it hasn't changed.

These huge Alliances/Coalitions with their ridiculous entry requirements are destroying this game.

It's harder to join an established Alliance in EVE than to obtain your Hazmat endorsement for your license IRL. Seriously. I've done both. I can compare.

I'm personally on my out way of this game. I've tried and tried but this Oligarchical system in EVE is annoying and lame. A FEW people control everything in this game and even the Devs cater to them. This game belongs to Montolio and MIttani and yes, even as a TEST member, I'm tired of it. Even in this so-called stupid ass "broship" between Goons and Test, I got tired of Test so I applied to Goons as they seem to have a laxer and more laid back atmosphere. They wouldn't take me. If it's that difficult for a member of Test to join Goonswarm, I can only imagine how hard it is for a new player.

I'm done being PC and doing Damage control for HBC/CFC. You guys are NOT helpful to new players. You are NOT inclusive. You can spew that BS to people on the outside, but not to me. Your corps consist of either ALTs of members, RL friends or people you goaded into trying EVE from your dumbass member sites (SA/Reddit). People like myself on the inside who dare to shake things up and have a mind of their own are shunned and forced out. I don't even bother posting on Test forums anymore because of how hated I am simply for not being an ass kisser. That's how it is in these large Alliances. They don't want PEOPLE. They want robots.

Smaller groups need to band together to take this game back. Nulli, NC etc. HBC/CFC are DESTROYING this game. this big blob crap is not sustainable. 75% of null being blue to each other is crap and ruins EVE.

Any of you HBC flunkies see this post and want to go tattle and get me booted, feel free, I just don't give a damn anymore. I am sick and damned TIRED of this crap. It's like I'm in f'kin High School again....I don't want to have to deal with some BS popularity contest just to be able to have fun in an Alliance.

You vets attack carebears day in and day out for "not realizing that EVE is a PVP game". Why don't you guys have anything to say to the folks who go and blue up 75% of null sec??? Isn't THAT negating the pvp aspect of eve???

I've said it before and I'll say it again: As a null seccer I feel SAFER in null sec than I do in HIGH or LOW sec.

An all-out war between the CFC and HBC wouldn't last long.
The HBC would run out of ISK and beg to keep their space.

people ... it's a carebear troll .. why haven't you realised that yet ?

Maybe the HBC abd CFC should declare war on each other on the forums. That's almost as good as a real war.

Sometimes I think we already have.

You have to remember you are not dealing with socially adjusted people when you get into the big uber gangs. Yes I am generalizing but for the most part let's just call it what it is. You can't run 5 alts in more than one MMO, be logged in 22/7 and expect us to believe there is a girl asleep in your bed and you own and run 3 businesses. What did you expect from people who get their jollies suicide ganking? Are you surprised you are not chilling with some cool hipster types? You're dealing with uber dorks that don't have the reflexes to play a FPS.

I don't know wtf the OP is on about ... but I will say that I think a big HBC vs. CFC war wod Iuld be equal parts hilarious and epic.

And I'm not talking about a little "hey we're bored lets un-blue each other a while" kind of war. I mean an all out ultimate deathmatch find out who is the best obnoxious trolling bad at eve but winning anyway force in the EVE universe kind of war.

I would totally pick a side, enlist, and head off to fight in that.

DUDE, like, I just want to find some cool folks that DON'T TAKE THIS GAME TOO SERIOUSLY....Unbelievable how it's SO hard to find that....WHY am I having to go through SO MUCH CRAP just t join a corp and shoot stuff...???

Maybe I SHOULD just join a CoD clan or something....this whole "eve iz srz biz" mentality is fkin draining....

I remember the days when the Goons used to be the group that fought the establishment that took this game to seriously.

I got tired of Test so I applied to Goons as they seem to have a laxer and more laid back atmosphere. They wouldn't take me. If it's that difficult for a member of Test to join Goonswarm, I can only imagine how hard it is for a new player.

Would it work? Could you turn low/null into a high sec-esque region full of life? Or will it always be the 2 people in local chat or 0 people in local chat dead-space it is now? I'd love to see that personally. Just thousands of people piling into low / high and seeing what happens.

I did have a thought the other day. What if everyone in high just got damn tired of the gate campers at entry low-sec entry system or null-sec entry system and 5,000 people just plowed through the red tape and made low/null their own home. Be damned of whoever is there already.

Hmmmm I don't know, maybe it's because you're a possible spy, or perhaps it's your questionable sense of loyalty.
Certainly can't be your killboard (read pilot has 2 loses, 0 kills since October).

I doubt any high sec newb corp would even take you. Where is your common sense?

This is exactly how Goonswarm and Dreddit (AKA TEST Alliance) began. What people don't realize is the level of organization it takes to get 5000 people aimed in the same direction. Even harder is getting them into the right ships. If every pubbie in highsec got into their finest battlesteed and came to VFK it would be a massacre, and not in their favor.

It would have nothing to do with the numbers or isk spent on super pimped out death machines, or even supercaps. It would have everything to do with organization, good FC's, competent fleet doctrines that complemented one another, and above all it has to do with the willingness to die for a cause. Highsec players get far too attached to their spaceships from what I've seen.

There are obvious exceptions of course, such as Red Vs Blue, but even they are a little to kitchen sink to fight a mainfleet doctrine from any of the big players in null. Sure they have scrapped with us before, but generally it's their kitchen sink vs our kitchen sink, and goons like to fly some really dumb ships (Comedy Megathron or that guy who brought a festival launcher to our fleet op tonight) when a doctrine isn't enforced.

Was it just the singular launcher? Because I'm imagining a Drake will full festival launchers.

Going for the triple post: Test is fairly laid back tbh, if this person is being stomped on for activity it's because according to their killboard they haven't actually done anything. Ever. I just invited a three day old newbie to come join my cloak gang, sure he's going to die, but he's going to have fun. If you don't get involved you have nobody to blame but yourself for things sucking.

At least die in a T1 frigate sometime.

This person has died twice in a T1 frig, and killed exactly zero times. Meanwhile in Topgoon last month we let a seven day old new player lead our fleet of expensive ships around in Against all Anomalies space. He got my vagabond killed (Because I was the only one who followed his hilariously dumb orders) and everyone else peaced the **** out off grid when Elo undocked his munnin fleet.

I have never laughed so hard in my life, especially when he gave the order to "Orbit the stargate at various ranges to simulate an atom... hm yes that's exactly what I thought it would look like"

Single launcher, he had it stuffed into his highs on a recon which really are utility highs anyways since on a recon the mids are what's important. I just fell out laughing while getting a secondary point on an oracle at close range in ~my sabre~ I saw fireworks going off on the oracle.

Well, don't groups orbit the stargate to try and catch people who cloak MWD or something? Usually at 12km I think.

Actually how does orbiting in EVE work, you don't go in an exact circle on a plane through the object do you? Hmm, I need to check this out for myself.

That would go well on a newbie Blackbird. They don't actually use the missiles for much anyway. Or whatever is in the highs nowadays.

Oh I know, maybe I can cram one on my bomber. It doesn't need a ton of torp launchers.

That would be the best ship to surprise a group of miners in low sec. Uncloak, lock and....fire festive launchers at them.

Then a neutral cyno alt drops cyno and capital blob appears.

At least my bomber can warp away before the capitals can lock it