This guy again...

It's like I'm in f'kin High School again....I don't want to have to deal with some BS popularity contest just to be able to have fun in an Alliance.

this right here says it ALL.

100% truth. and quoted for it.

not a fan of popularity contests?
perhaps you should try a single player game.
when groups of people congregate there will always be popular people, and unpopular people.

not a fan of popularity contests?
perhaps you should try a single player game.
when groups of people congregate there will always be popular people, and unpopular people.

not a fan of popularity contests?
perhaps you should try a single player game.
when groups of people congregate there will always be popular people, and unpopular people.

You don't even need to go to another game. Don't like big alliance politics? Then just play anywhere else besides nullsec. Hell, you can even play in nullsec as a small group, just don't expect to take and hold space for any significant period of time.

I'm personally on my out way of this game.

I keep asking myself why this dude is in TEST...

I am sick and damned TIRED of this crap. It's like I'm in f'kin High School again....I don't want to have to deal with some BS popularity contest just to be able to have fun in an Alliance.

You have to remember you are not dealing with socially adjusted people when you get into the big uber gangs. Yes I am generalizing but for the most part let's just call it what it is. You can't run 5 alts in more than one MMO, be logged in 22/7 and expect us to believe there is a girl asleep in your bed and you own and run 3 businesses. What did you expect from people who get their jollies suicide ganking? Are you surprised you are not chilling with some cool hipster types? You're dealing with uber dorks that don't have the reflexes to play a FPS.

i also strongly suspect there is an exactly inverse relationship to ones popularity/social experience in real life, to their popularity/social experience in MMOs.

nope, i'm unpopular in both.

Now now. Don't ruin their belief of knowing everything about everybody.
That would totally ruin their bloated ego, you know. ^_^
Especially ShoobyDoobies. ^_^

You can't run 5 alts in more than one MMO, be logged in 22/7 and expect us to believe there is a girl asleep in your bed and you own and run 3 businesses.

On the other hand, all it takes is one person in tight lace to bring down mightiest alliances in this game. We have seen it before and im sure we will see it in future as well.

You have to remember you are not dealing with socially adjusted people when you get into the big uber gangs. Yes I am generalizing but for the most part let's just call it what it is. You can't run 5 alts in more than one MMO, be logged in 22/7 and expect us to believe there is a girl asleep in your bed and you own and run 3 businesses. What did you expect from people who get their jollies suicide ganking? Are you surprised you are not chilling with some cool hipster types? You're dealing with uber dorks that don't have the reflexes to play a FPS.

Well dont worry, peace newer last long in this game. Soon enough, someone says something or does something that gives someone else reason go to war against boredom.. Thats what great shouth war was painted to be, but it failed to realise really.

On the other hand, all it takes is one person in tight lace to bring down mightiest alliances in this game. We have seen it before and im sure we will see it in future as well.

0.0 need work, lots of it. Problem is ccp has no damn clue how to fix things. Personally i would start by removeing local, make it service you actually have to pay for concord. make it not be cheap. 100 mil/month atleast... This also fixes the eternal: OMG AFK Cloaker on Local-problem.

On the other hand 0.0 is not inviting enough to most of players of this game. If it would, im sure we would see a lot more smaller alliances fighting over ownership of systems... BTW why is it so cheap to own 100 systems? Cant ccp turn that base fee as tax style progressive tax? More systems you own, more per system cost is...

DUDE, like, I just want to find some cool folks that DON'T TAKE THIS GAME TOO SERIOUSLY....Unbelievable how it's SO hard to find that....WHY am I having to go through SO MUCH CRAP just t join a corp and shoot stuff...???

Maybe I SHOULD just join a CoD clan or something....this whole "eve iz srz biz" mentality is fkin draining....

nope, i'm unpopular in both.

Right on.

I hate to say it, but Max is right. They don't want "bros", they want bitches.

It is a shame really, there are some really good people out in 0.0. Too bad that they've been overrun by a select few who are doing the bidding for "the greater good", bullshit, it isn't for the greater good it is for the good of the few.

Come enjoy the riches of 0.0, just don't step out of line regarding all of the bullshit rules or you'll be reset and **** on.

Eve is an MMO yeah, I understand that, why don't they? Gather blobs together for "Space Communism", yeah as if that is a good thing. It just leads to the same thing real communism did, the "party leaders" get fat and bloated while everyone else freezes and starves while waiting in line all day for a few scraps and some shitpaper.

Everyone should blue just the Alliances that they share an immediate border with and reset the Overlords.

February Revolution anyone?

When Boat starts screaming, everyone comes immediately.

Two's company but two hundred's a blob.

i hear a lot about this "boat" guy, he sounds like a cool guy.

Everyone should blue just the Alliances that they share an immediate border with

I want you to think about that for a minute and then smack yourself across the mouth for being an idiot.

He is. Everyone bitches about him, but then you get people who sign up to hellcamp a station with him.

Oh I just got a broadcast for more station camping fun

sounds fun, can i join you?

Get another 19 friends from faction warfare in dreadnaughts, and a BL cyno and we'll get rollin'

but.. i don't know any one that does faction warfare, or that can fly a dread... :(

I got tired of Test so I applied to Goons as they seem to have a laxer and more laid back atmosphere. They wouldn't take me. If it's that difficult for a member of Test to join Goonswarm, I can only imagine how hard it is for a new player.

You know if you're not happy in your corp you can leave, shocking I know. There's a button. All you have to do is like click it. They made it really easy.

You don't even have to thank me for this info. It would be a terrible thing if you wound up looking like some attention *****, trying to be some sort of martyr by making a fool of yourself on the forums to get kicked out of a corp that you could just freely leave, now wouldn't it? And oh how silly you would look as you sat there for months in that very same corp still not kicked because no one cared. You're welcome, friend.

I 100% agree with Snot Shot...

I'm personally on my out way of this game. I've tried and tried but this Oligarchical system in EVE is annoying and lame. A FEW people control everything in this game and even the Devs cater to them. This game belongs to Montolio and MIttani and yes, even as a TEST member, I'm tired of it. Even in this so-called stupid ass "broship" between Goons and Test, I got tired of Test so I applied to Goons as they seem to have a laxer and more laid back atmosphere. They wouldn't take me. If it's that difficult for a member of Test to join Goonswarm, I can only imagine how hard it is for a new player.

Maybe you were rejected because you're really annoying.

If you are so upset why not become the leader of the rebel alliance instead of whining about it here.

I expressed similar views a while back and it hasn't changed.

These huge Alliances/Coalitions with their ridiculous entry requirements are destroying this game.

It's harder to join an established Alliance in EVE than to obtain your Hazmat endorsement for your license IRL. Seriously. I've done both. I can compare.

I'm personally on my out way of this game. I've tried and tried but this Oligarchical system in EVE is annoying and lame. A FEW people control everything in this game and even the Devs cater to them. This game belongs to Montolio and MIttani and yes, even as a TEST member, I'm tired of it. Even in this so-called stupid ass "broship" between Goons and Test, I got tired of Test so I applied to Goons as they seem to have a laxer and more laid back atmosphere. They wouldn't take me. If it's that difficult for a member of Test to join Goonswarm, I can only imagine how hard it is for a new player.

I'm done being PC and doing Damage control for HBC/CFC. You guys are NOT helpful to new players. You are NOT inclusive. You can spew that BS to people on the outside, but not to me. Your corps consist of either ALTs of members, RL friends or people you goaded into trying EVE from your dumbass member sites (SA/Reddit). People like myself on the inside who dare to shake things up and have a mind of their own are shunned and forced out. I don't even bother posting on Test forums anymore because of how hated I am simply for not being an ass kisser. That's how it is in these large Alliances. They don't want PEOPLE. They want robots.

Smaller groups need to band together to take this game back. Nulli, NC etc. HBC/CFC are DESTROYING this game. this big blob crap is not sustainable. 75% of null being blue to each other is crap and ruins EVE.

Any of you HBC flunkies see this post and want to go tattle and get me booted, feel free, I just don't give a damn anymore. I am sick and damned TIRED of this crap. It's like I'm in f'kin High School again....I don't want to have to deal with some BS popularity contest just to be able to have fun in an Alliance.

You vets attack carebears day in and day out for "not realizing that EVE is a PVP game". Why don't you guys have anything to say to the folks who go and blue up 75% of null sec??? Isn't THAT negating the pvp aspect of eve???

I've said it before and I'll say it again: As a null seccer I feel SAFER in null sec than I do in HIGH or LOW sec.

To beat us....you must become us.

To beat us....you must become us.

I hear the HBC loves small rebel alliances that start by killing the group they came from for leaving them to die to the HBC.

I expressed similar views a while back and it hasn't changed.

These huge Alliances/Coalitions with their ridiculous entry requirements are destroying this game.

It's harder to join an established Alliance in EVE than to obtain your Hazmat endorsement for your license IRL. Seriously. I've done both. I can compare.

I'm personally on my out way of this game. I've tried and tried but this Oligarchical system in EVE is annoying and lame. A FEW people control everything in this game and even the Devs cater to them. This game belongs to Montolio and MIttani and yes, even as a TEST member, I'm tired of it. Even in this so-called stupid ass "broship" between Goons and Test, I got tired of Test so I applied to Goons as they seem to have a laxer and more laid back atmosphere. They wouldn't take me. If it's that difficult for a member of Test to join Goonswarm, I can only imagine how hard it is for a new player.

I'm done being PC and doing Damage control for HBC/CFC. You guys are NOT helpful to new players. You are NOT inclusive. You can spew that BS to people on the outside, but not to me. Your corps consist of either ALTs of members, RL friends or people you goaded into trying EVE from your dumbass member sites (SA/Reddit). People like myself on the inside who dare to shake things up and have a mind of their own are shunned and forced out. I don't even bother posting on Test forums anymore because of how hated I am simply for not being an ass kisser. That's how it is in these large Alliances. They don't want PEOPLE. They want robots.

Smaller groups need to band together to take this game back. Nulli, NC etc. HBC/CFC are DESTROYING this game. this big blob crap is not sustainable. 75% of null being blue to each other is crap and ruins EVE.

Any of you HBC flunkies see this post and want to go tattle and get me booted, feel free, I just don't give a damn anymore. I am sick and damned TIRED of this crap. It's like I'm in f'kin High School again....I don't want to have to deal with some BS popularity contest just to be able to have fun in an Alliance.

You vets attack carebears day in and day out for "not realizing that EVE is a PVP game". Why don't you guys have anything to say to the folks who go and blue up 75% of null sec??? Isn't THAT negating the pvp aspect of eve???

I've said it before and I'll say it again: As a null seccer I feel SAFER in null sec than I do in HIGH or LOW sec.

Oh Boy............now you've gone and done it, look at all the damage control pouring into this thread now, your making the women nervous and i don't think you'll effect a policy shift in CFC anytime soon. probably would have been better off just leaving

I'm personally on my out way of this game. I've tried and tried but this Oligarchical system in EVE is annoying and lame. A FEW people control everything in this game and even the Devs cater to them. This game belongs to Montolio and MIttani and yes, even as a TEST member, I'm tired of it. Even in this so-called stupid ass "broship" between Goons and Test, I got tired of Test so I applied to Goons as they seem to have a laxer and more laid back atmosphere. They wouldn't take me. If it's that difficult for a member of Test to join Goonswarm, I can only imagine how hard it is for a new player.

When small groups band together they become the next BoB or NC.

What we need is for 0.0 to not just accommodate the very largest groups, but also smaller alliances. Of course the larger groups should have more space, just don't allow them to claim a quarter of the freaking universe and leave it empty and unused, when many smaller alliances would love to use it.

To beat us....you must become us.

There are plenty of problems that I can see with nullsec, even as a dude who operates almost completely in highsec. The fact that there's a huge ass sea of blue from is something that bothers me.

However, they worked their asses off for that sea of blue. They made a strong culture, a strong economy, did their diplomacy well, made good strategic decisions, and even went out and slayed code-dragons and smithed their bones into apps and out-of-game communication structures.

While it would bring me joy to see nullsec on fire, you think that some divine force should whoosh in and take the candy they worked for and give it to you because you just plain old want them to?

I *do* hope for a change that makes nullsec more interesting, but those putting the most work in and playing the most intelligently will have the greatest reward, no matter what the system is. If you want what they have, be better then they are.

I am not saying that the small handful haven't acquired a vast number of so-called allies and corpmates to do their bidding for them.

I'd assume that the vast majority of Goonwaffe are in the same boat as the vast majority of the 26k blues, which is to say that they are simply dupes and tools working for someone else.

I'm not trying to be obtuse, but I thought the goonies would take anyone. They have standards now? Must have happened after Bastanni left. :)

I've said it before and I'll say it again: As a null seccer I feel SAFER in null sec than I do in HIGH or LOW sec.

I expressed similar views a while back and it hasn't changed.

These huge Alliances/Coalitions with their ridiculous entry requirements are destroying this game.

It's harder to join an established Alliance in EVE than to obtain your Hazmat endorsement for your license IRL. Seriously. I've done both. I can compare.

I'm personally on my out way of this game. I've tried and tried but this Oligarchical system in EVE is annoying and lame. A FEW people control everything in this game and even the Devs cater to them. This game belongs to Montolio and MIttani and yes, even as a TEST member, I'm tired of it. Even in this so-called stupid ass "broship" between Goons and Test, I got tired of Test so I applied to Goons as they seem to have a laxer and more laid back atmosphere. They wouldn't take me. If it's that difficult for a member of Test to join Goonswarm, I can only imagine how hard it is for a new player.

I'm done being PC and doing Damage control for HBC/CFC. You guys are NOT helpful to new players. You are NOT inclusive. You can spew that BS to people on the outside, but not to me. Your corps consist of either ALTs of members, RL friends or people you goaded into trying EVE from your dumbass member sites (SA/Reddit). People like myself on the inside who dare to shake things up and have a mind of their own are shunned and forced out. I don't even bother posting on Test forums anymore because of how hated I am simply for not being an ass kisser. That's how it is in these large Alliances. They don't want PEOPLE. They want robots.

Smaller groups need to band together to take this game back. Nulli, NC etc. HBC/CFC are DESTROYING this game. this big blob crap is not sustainable. 75% of null being blue to each other is crap and ruins EVE.

Any of you HBC flunkies see this post and want to go tattle and get me booted, feel free, I just don't give a damn anymore. I am sick and damned TIRED of this crap. It's like I'm in f'kin High School again....I don't want to have to deal with some BS popularity contest just to be able to have fun in an Alliance.

You vets attack carebears day in and day out for "not realizing that EVE is a PVP game". Why don't you guys have anything to say to the folks who go and blue up 75% of null sec??? Isn't THAT negating the pvp aspect of eve???

I've said it before and I'll say it again: As a null seccer I feel SAFER in null sec than I do in HIGH or LOW sec.

0.0 need work, lots of it. Problem is ccp has no damn clue how to fix things. Personally i would start by removeing local, make it service you actually have to pay for concord. make it not be cheap. 100 mil/month atleast... This also fixes the eternal: OMG AFK Cloaker on Local-problem.

Yes, the apps and the out-of-game comms are a nice addition to the game, however, this does not change that null-sec is still largely empty and really only profitable for a select few.

Anyone who isn't in the "In-crowd" will never make it far given the current circumstances of 0.0. Eve is an MMO, shouldn't it reward more than a handful of people?

DUDE, like, I just want to find some cool folks that DON'T TAKE THIS GAME TOO SERIOUSLY....Unbelievable how it's SO hard to find that....WHY am I having to go through SO MUCH CRAP just t join a corp and shoot stuff...???

Maybe I SHOULD just join a CoD clan or something....this whole "eve iz srz biz" mentality is fkin draining....

Sovereignty should be tied to occupancy. Claimed (though unoccupied) systems should have an exponential increase in the Sov Bills. If a system is actively being used and lived in, the Sov Bill should lessen over time (though the costs for Strategic Upgrades would remain the same).

Live in your space and use it and you will be rewarded; Conquer huge tracts of space for little more than moons or lols or to be some sort of absentee landlord and find yourself going bankrupt before your Strategic Indexes hit 2.

This would encourage larger numbers of smaller alliances to fill the voids that would be left. It would create a richer environment for all involved.

I'm not trying to be obtuse, but I thought the goonies would take anyone. They have standards now? Must have happened after Bastanni left. :)

Maybe you were rejected because you're really annoying.

Now now. Don't ruin their belief of knowing everything about everybody.
That would totally ruin their bloated ego, you know. ^_^
Especially ShoobyDoobies. ^_^

homo-erotic subtext, right there.

Hahaha, oh wow. Considering that most nulsec (ex: Cloud Ring) is utterly worthless space, you actually think that 'small' alliances would step up to fill the void?

No, instead of Alliances owning the core tracts of regions, nulsec would be preppered with a million little renter alliances, living off the largeese of alliances like my own, who would own all of the good sec systems.

But that's fine. Make my alliance richer. It's not like we already have tech.

I think you're highly underestimating the value of even a 0.0 system. Can you show me a high-sec system where you can customize and upgrade the system? No, you can't, because that can't happen. Can you show me a highsec system where you can moon mine? No, you can't, because that can't happen.

Given the chance, I believe that smaller alliances that knew their space was "theirs" would jump at the chance to live in even 0.0 true-sec. But then, what do I know? I am just in an NPC Corp.

I don't know wtf the OP is on about ... but I will say that I think a big HBC vs. CFC war wod Iuld be equal parts hilarious and epic.

And I'm not talking about a little "hey we're bored lets un-blue each other a while" kind of war. I mean an all out ultimate deathmatch find out who is the best obnoxious trolling bad at eve but winning anyway force in the EVE universe kind of war.

I would totally pick a side, enlist, and head off to fight in that.

I expressed similar views a while back and it hasn't changed.

These huge Alliances/Coalitions with their ridiculous entry requirements are destroying this game.

It's harder to join an established Alliance in EVE than to obtain your Hazmat endorsement for your license IRL. Seriously. I've done both. I can compare.

I'm personally on my out way of this game. I've tried and tried but this Oligarchical system in EVE is annoying and lame. A FEW people control everything in this game and even the Devs cater to them. This game belongs to Montolio and MIttani and yes, even as a TEST member, I'm tired of it. Even in this so-called stupid ass "broship" between Goons and Test, I got tired of Test so I applied to Goons as they seem to have a laxer and more laid back atmosphere. They wouldn't take me. If it's that difficult for a member of Test to join Goonswarm, I can only imagine how hard it is for a new player.

I'm done being PC and doing Damage control for HBC/CFC. You guys are NOT helpful to new players. You are NOT inclusive. You can spew that BS to people on the outside, but not to me. Your corps consist of either ALTs of members, RL friends or people you goaded into trying EVE from your dumbass member sites (SA/Reddit). People like myself on the inside who dare to shake things up and have a mind of their own are shunned and forced out. I don't even bother posting on Test forums anymore because of how hated I am simply for not being an ass kisser. That's how it is in these large Alliances. They don't want PEOPLE. They want robots.

Smaller groups need to band together to take this game back. Nulli, NC etc. HBC/CFC are DESTROYING this game. this big blob crap is not sustainable. 75% of null being blue to each other is crap and ruins EVE.

Any of you HBC flunkies see this post and want to go tattle and get me booted, feel free, I just don't give a damn anymore. I am sick and damned TIRED of this crap. It's like I'm in f'kin High School again....I don't want to have to deal with some BS popularity contest just to be able to have fun in an Alliance.

You vets attack carebears day in and day out for "not realizing that EVE is a PVP game". Why don't you guys have anything to say to the folks who go and blue up 75% of null sec??? Isn't THAT negating the pvp aspect of eve???

I've said it before and I'll say it again: As a null seccer I feel SAFER in null sec than I do in HIGH or LOW sec.

An all-out war between the CFC and HBC wouldn't last long.
The HBC would run out of ISK and beg to keep their space.

people ... it's a carebear troll .. why haven't you realised that yet ?

Maybe the HBC abd CFC should declare war on each other on the forums. That's almost as good as a real war.

Sometimes I think we already have.

You have to remember you are not dealing with socially adjusted people when you get into the big uber gangs. Yes I am generalizing but for the most part let's just call it what it is. You can't run 5 alts in more than one MMO, be logged in 22/7 and expect us to believe there is a girl asleep in your bed and you own and run 3 businesses. What did you expect from people who get their jollies suicide ganking? Are you surprised you are not chilling with some cool hipster types? You're dealing with uber dorks that don't have the reflexes to play a FPS.

I don't know wtf the OP is on about ... but I will say that I think a big HBC vs. CFC war wod Iuld be equal parts hilarious and epic.

And I'm not talking about a little "hey we're bored lets un-blue each other a while" kind of war. I mean an all out ultimate deathmatch find out who is the best obnoxious trolling bad at eve but winning anyway force in the EVE universe kind of war.

I would totally pick a side, enlist, and head off to fight in that.

DUDE, like, I just want to find some cool folks that DON'T TAKE THIS GAME TOO SERIOUSLY....Unbelievable how it's SO hard to find that....WHY am I having to go through SO MUCH CRAP just t join a corp and shoot stuff...???

Maybe I SHOULD just join a CoD clan or something....this whole "eve iz srz biz" mentality is fkin draining....

I remember the days when the Goons used to be the group that fought the establishment that took this game to seriously.

I got tired of Test so I applied to Goons as they seem to have a laxer and more laid back atmosphere. They wouldn't take me. If it's that difficult for a member of Test to join Goonswarm, I can only imagine how hard it is for a new player.

Would it work? Could you turn low/null into a high sec-esque region full of life? Or will it always be the 2 people in local chat or 0 people in local chat dead-space it is now? I'd love to see that personally. Just thousands of people piling into low / high and seeing what happens.

I did have a thought the other day. What if everyone in high just got damn tired of the gate campers at entry low-sec entry system or null-sec entry system and 5,000 people just plowed through the red tape and made low/null their own home. Be damned of whoever is there already.

Hmmmm I don't know, maybe it's because you're a possible spy, or perhaps it's your questionable sense of loyalty.
Certainly can't be your killboard (read pilot has 2 loses, 0 kills since October).

I doubt any high sec newb corp would even take you. Where is your common sense?

This is exactly how Goonswarm and Dreddit (AKA TEST Alliance) began. What people don't realize is the level of organization it takes to get 5000 people aimed in the same direction. Even harder is getting them into the right ships. If every pubbie in highsec got into their finest battlesteed and came to VFK it would be a massacre, and not in their favor.

It would have nothing to do with the numbers or isk spent on super pimped out death machines, or even supercaps. It would have everything to do with organization, good FC's, competent fleet doctrines that complemented one another, and above all it has to do with the willingness to die for a cause. Highsec players get far too attached to their spaceships from what I've seen.

There are obvious exceptions of course, such as Red Vs Blue, but even they are a little to kitchen sink to fight a mainfleet doctrine from any of the big players in null. Sure they have scrapped with us before, but generally it's their kitchen sink vs our kitchen sink, and goons like to fly some really dumb ships (Comedy Megathron or that guy who brought a festival launcher to our fleet op tonight) when a doctrine isn't enforced.

Was it just the singular launcher? Because I'm imagining a Drake will full festival launchers.

Going for the triple post: Test is fairly laid back tbh, if this person is being stomped on for activity it's because according to their killboard they haven't actually done anything. Ever. I just invited a three day old newbie to come join my cloak gang, sure he's going to die, but he's going to have fun. If you don't get involved you have nobody to blame but yourself for things sucking.

At least die in a T1 frigate sometime.

This person has died twice in a T1 frig, and killed exactly zero times. Meanwhile in Topgoon last month we let a seven day old new player lead our fleet of expensive ships around in Against all Anomalies space. He got my vagabond killed (Because I was the only one who followed his hilariously dumb orders) and everyone else peaced the **** out off grid when Elo undocked his munnin fleet.

I have never laughed so hard in my life, especially when he gave the order to "Orbit the stargate at various ranges to simulate an atom... hm yes that's exactly what I thought it would look like"

Single launcher, he had it stuffed into his highs on a recon which really are utility highs anyways since on a recon the mids are what's important. I just fell out laughing while getting a secondary point on an oracle at close range in ~my sabre~ I saw fireworks going off on the oracle.

Well, don't groups orbit the stargate to try and catch people who cloak MWD or something? Usually at 12km I think.

Actually how does orbiting in EVE work, you don't go in an exact circle on a plane through the object do you? Hmm, I need to check this out for myself.

That would go well on a newbie Blackbird. They don't actually use the missiles for much anyway. Or whatever is in the highs nowadays.

Oh I know, maybe I can cram one on my bomber. It doesn't need a ton of torp launchers.

That would be the best ship to surprise a group of miners in low sec. Uncloak, lock and....fire festive launchers at them.

Then a neutral cyno alt drops cyno and capital blob appears.

At least my bomber can warp away before the capitals can lock it

This person has died twice in a T1 frig, and killed exactly zero times. Meanwhile in Topgoon last month we let a seven day old new player lead our fleet of expensive ships around in Against all Anomalies space. He got my vagabond killed (Because I was the only one who followed his hilariously dumb orders) and everyone else peaced the **** out off grid when Elo undocked his munnin fleet.

I have never laughed so hard in my life, especially when he gave the order to "Orbit the stargate at various ranges to simulate an atom... hm yes that's exactly what I thought it would look like"

Don't worry they are your capitals, not the unsuspecting miners. In addition it is a clean kill, no accidental DD hitting anyone's carrier....

Oh I don't have to worry about that, it's impossible for a titan to doomsday my bomber

Nothing is impossible, except maybe to get a carebear to pvp.

You can't damage a structure in reinforce (unless you had a missile in flight, I think), you can't DD subcaps or structures, and you musn't get away from CONCORD even if you are still somehow able.

Game mechanics are the best defense.

I friend.

This is the culture in TEST you're experiencing. There's no community, just a bunch of nerds trying to one up each other and get an upvote.

Everyone trying to out-do the next person to become e-famous and get rep. This is why it's so divided amongst your leadership.

It's not the same in other alliances. It's just very ingrained into your culture.

When small groups band together they become the next BoB or NC.

What we need is for 0.0 to not just accommodate the very largest groups, but also smaller alliances. Of course the larger groups should have more space, just don't allow them to claim a quarter of the freaking universe and leave it empty and unused, when many smaller alliances would love to use it.

As the only TEST member of the CFC/HBC Eve-o posting pact I would like to express my deepest and most sincere apologies for this thread and any transgressions that may result because of it.

Go diet

@ Praetor Abre-Kai

Although his thread was OTT dramatic he does have a point, too many grown men in this game that act like kids in school, its not just TEST either, people cant even use the N, F, G, S or P word without someone crying. Saying that it is really annoying when TEST / Goons, you know the alliances that pride themselves on being laid back and not taking life / eve too seriously get emo over the slightest comment.

The only thing the OP lacked to get in Goons was ass-lickery lvl 5, a skill that would have got his nose a front row seat up Mittanis ass

I have to say that I agree with this.

The only coalitions around now are CFC, HBC. Those two coalitions are the biggest and own half of the 0.0 sov... if I'm wrong its more than that.

0.0 EVE is now The Mittani's and Montolio's game.

Thing is, if you try to join a corp within Goonswarm or TEST, they will scam you. You have to be members of their forum to get into their alliance and not be scammed, which is stupid.

Also over half of TEST's characters are alts. 12000 members are not truly 12000 players, lots of their alts are scamming alts also.

You made your OWN callout thread. I mean, jesus christ.

Your ridiculous ranting has nothing to do with smaller alliances. You're just upset that nobody likes you. ONE guy made a complaint about you. One. In response, you make a horrendous forum thread (both on our forums and here) that is long, out of focus, and for lack of better words a **** post.

The guy who made a complaint about you was straight with you; he told you why you annoyed him, no passive agressive bullshit behind it. Is he in the right? Not really, it's your game. Play it how you want to. But forgive the rest of the alliance for not defending someone who gives nothing back to the alliance. And it would have been all fine, but you decided to go apeshit about it.

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@ Praetor Abre-Kai

Although his thread was OTT dramatic he does have a point, too many grown men in this game that act like kids in school, its not just TEST either, people cant even use the N, F, G, S or P word without someone crying. Saying that it is really annoying when TEST / Goons, you know the alliances that pride themselves on being laid back and not taking life / eve too seriously get emo over the slightest comment.

The only thing the OP lacked to get in Goons was ass-lickery lvl 5, a skill that would have got his nose a front row seat up Mittanis ass

This isn't just in game, this is IRL as well. It's what's wrong with this country and this world. Men aren't ******* MEN anymore. Men these days gossip and backbite like fuckin women in hair salons and tanning beds. Men are wearing skinny jeans and lip gloss and have Justin Bieber posters on their walls. Men look to their wives and GFs to solve their problems and guide them then cry when their women go to real men. It's ******* insane man.

"I have more important things to do" like run to a director because you're too much of a ***** to say what you need to say to the person you actually have a problem with?

I've been in plenty of fleets. There's thousands of members in Test....pretty sure there's plenty of folks you haven't fleeted with in this Alliance.

Bottom line you're some ginger, pimple faced ******* who's too chicken **** to handle your own ****, so you go tattle to directors to get people booted because they don't play the way you want.

I work a lot dude, I don't have as much time as you do to "contribute". I pay for my own accounts ******, I don't have mommy and daddy's credit card.

Get out of the ******* basement and you'll see what it means to not have 24/7 to "contribute" to pixel groups.

In response to someone saying that they do not have the time to "deal with him directly"(paraphrasing heavily)

You're a lying ****** dude. Tell these people about how we scammed a mark and I let you have 100% of the take instead of splitting it because I wanted to show I was appreciative for the tips.

Tell them how I found a corp to scam, called you in to cut you in and even said you could take 90% of the take.

Tell them how many times I've sent marks' names to scambros because I was already working on one, and just wanted to help out, having seen a nice mark in recruit channel but I myself didn't have the time to scam them.

Yeah that's"burning" people dude.

As I told you the other day when your ***** ass called yourself "calling me out" in channel, you're bandwagoning ******. You want to be with "TEH KEWL KIDZ" so you conform and jump on someone you see others don't like.

Get your wife/GF on and have her tell us how she beats the **** out of you everyday, send you to buy her tampons and makes you hold her purse at the mall you ******* asslicker. Be your own man and nut the **** up. You out of ANYONE have ZERO reason to hold any animosity towards me, but as I stated in OP, motherfuckers these days think it's cool to be pom-pom holding conformist cheerleaders.


In response to
"Because he's **** at scamming and has burned all the people who can help him through being a terrible partner."

"You're just upset that nobody likes you".


Look at this folks. This guy is in his 20s yelling NAH-NANNY BOO BOO I POPULAR WIF DAH KEWL KIDZ AND UR NOT".

I've said this many times before, on EVE-o forums and Test forums; I have a mind of my own and that will never change. I will never follow the herd. And I will never apologize for that. I'll gladly take being booted from Test if it means I can remain myself.

I'm not a bad person. I've helped many people, including some of the people in Test that claim to dislike me, but the mob mentality is powerful among dullards. Max the Menace Doobie can say with pride that he didn't toss his dignity for the sake of fitting in with net-buddies in a spaceship game.

I was attacked, mocked and trolled since my first day posting on Test forums simply asking noob questions. When I defend myself I'm said to have a bad attitude and there it began going downhill from there ever since.

It's MITTENS. MITTENS, dammit. He may be perma-banned, but he still doesn't like " The Mittani".

i just find it odd.

the average age of the typical EVE player is over 30... yet... high school behavior.

...much ranting about large alliances and coalitions...

"Smaller groups need to band together to take this game back."

...more ranting...

As the only TEST member of the CFC/HBC Eve-o posting pact

These huge Alliances/Coalitions with their ridiculous entry requirements are destroying this game.

Hm, when men aren't men anymore, where do those "real men" come from, that the women of the not-real men go to?

someone would run to a director, not for hueting the alliance orbreaking any rules but simply because they don't like the opinions that I post.

It's been a long, hard slog, and Null sec is tired of all that fussin' and fightin'. They see the eyes-glazed High sec behemoth bloated on ISK and think, "I, too, want my risk-free passive income."

Null sec has simply realized that it's better to hug it out than thug it out. The system works. The torch of content generation will be passed.

OP knew he was joining the premier organization for the internet's number one college freshman forum-jockey hivemind. Therefore I can offer no sympathy.

More like...

Max Poopie.

Well my dead lady, I bow to your expertise in the impossible. It appears that my knowledge gap is far worse than I thought. Maybe a four year break was not a good idea.

More like...

Max Poopie.

If the Test-tube babies "like" this thread...they're going to love whats coming up in a few days. Not on EVE-O forums though...not on Test's either.

Just keep an eye out :)

You guys wanted to band together to have some directors boot me because I have differing opinions on things, that's fine. However sending your little cretins to come harass my inbox with troll messages and threads with lies and out of context quotes is pretty much why it's game on from here on out.


I'm going to show people how not to just complain about how you people are destroying this game, but how to do something about it.

PS: Might want to let ol'Booda-Wooda I've got 2 alt accounts in Dreddit, with their own Auth access. So be careful what you decide to put on your forums.

I saw this coming a mile away. I however DID think you guys would have the decency to just let us part ways without any BS, but I was mistaken.

I'm bored. Pull the trigger already.

Seconding this.

If the Test-tube babies "like" this thread...they're going to love whats coming up in a few days. Not on EVE-O forums though...not on Test's either.

Just keep an eye out :)

You guys wanted to band together to have some directors boot me because I have differing opinions on things, that's fine. However sending your little cretins to come harass my inbox with troll messages and threads with lies and out of context quotes is pretty much why it's game on from here on out.


I'm going to show people how not to just complain about how you people are destroying this game, but how to do something about it.

PS: Might want to let ol'Booda-Wooda I've got 2 alt accounts in Dreddit, with their own Auth access. So be careful what you decide to put on your forums.

I saw this coming a mile away. I however DID think you guys would have the decency to just let us part ways without any BS, but I was mistaken.

This is done...

[redacted]tells me this dude is being a ******, I'm like thats not a big deal there are lots of *******, but we'll check him out and see if he's doing anything shady. I PM Max to ask him for some more API info and he gets really really upset, telling me how I'm like a high school drama queen or some **** (can a ***** get an api key, come on) until I explained to him we were looking into some suspicious multiple character **** on his account that [redacted] mentioned. He does finally submit an API and it turns up some minor shady dealings that we never ended up looking into since i kicked him first.

Meanwhile someone else PMs me this morning saying he's being a ****** in more places, and shows me some awesome eve-o posts of his. I was pretty much going to kick this dude for getting in my **** about API keys, and I told him that, but damn could this dude be more of a useless pubbie. He's not even a J4G, he's a J4Complaints or something.

If the Test-tube babies "like" this thread...they're going to love whats coming up in a few days. Not on EVE-O forums though...not on Test's either.

Just keep an eye out :)

You guys wanted to band together to have some directors boot me because I have differing opinions on things, that's fine. However sending your little cretins to come harass my inbox with troll messages and threads with lies and out of context quotes is pretty much why it's game on from here on out.


I'm going to show people how not to just complain about how you people are destroying this game, but how to do something about it.

PS: Might want to let ol'Booda-Wooda I've got 2 alt accounts in Dreddit, with their own Auth access. So be careful what you decide to put on your forums.

I saw this coming a mile away. I however DID think you guys would have the decency to just let us part ways without any BS, but I was mistaken.

Re: Parting is such sweet sorrow
From: Max Doobie
To: Kari Juptris
INBOX
lol.

Have Booda send you a copy of our exchange.

If you tink for 1 second I give a **** about being droped froma corp full of ******** like you, you obviously don't know me.

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Parting is such sweet sorrow
From: Kari Juptris
Sent: 2013.01.29 00:44
To: Max Doobie

Hiya there Mr. Doobie.

I just wanted to let you know that I played a role in getting you kicked from Dreddit.

So long, and thanks for all the laughs.

Joining the blob is a pretty enticing proposition apparently. Alex and pals have done a good job of 'winning' EVE (well ok, Somer won EVE, but the blue donut gets a close 2nd.)

I don't see small alliances changing that. The problem won't begin to be solved until CCP makes New Eden bigger by nerfing the ability of capitals to travel vast distances and by removing jump bridges from the game. As long as the horde can show up ANYWHERE in a timely fashion with minimal fuss the smaller groups will remain S.O.L.

This thread is getting spammed to death by TEST

I am surprised he got kicked, with his ranting, I would have expected him to become a director, cant see anything different between him and well everyone else in TEST.

I expressed similar views a while back and it hasn't changed.

These huge Alliances/Coalitions with their ridiculous entry requirements are destroying this game.

It's harder to join an established Alliance in EVE than to obtain your Hazmat endorsement for your license IRL. Seriously. I've done both. I can compare.

I'm personally on my out way of this game. I've tried and tried but this Oligarchical system in EVE is annoying and lame. A FEW people control everything in this game and even the Devs cater to them. This game belongs to Montolio and MIttani and yes, even as a TEST member, I'm tired of it. Even in this so-called stupid ass "broship" between Goons and Test, I got tired of Test so I applied to Goons as they seem to have a laxer and more laid back atmosphere. They wouldn't take me. If it's that difficult for a member of Test to join Goonswarm, I can only imagine how hard it is for a new player.

I'm done being PC and doing Damage control for HBC/CFC. You guys are NOT helpful to new players. You are NOT inclusive. You can spew that BS to people on the outside, but not to me. Your corps consist of either ALTs of members, RL friends or people you goaded into trying EVE from your dumbass member sites (SA/Reddit). People like myself on the inside who dare to shake things up and have a mind of their own are shunned and forced out. I don't even bother posting on Test forums anymore because of how hated I am simply for not being an ass kisser. That's how it is in these large Alliances. They don't want PEOPLE. They want robots.

Smaller groups need to band together to take this game back. Nulli, NC etc. HBC/CFC are DESTROYING this game. this big blob crap is not sustainable. 75% of null being blue to each other is crap and ruins EVE.

Any of you HBC flunkies see this post and want to go tattle and get me booted, feel free, I just don't give a damn anymore. I am sick and damned TIRED of this crap. It's like I'm in f'kin High School again....I don't want to have to deal with some BS popularity contest just to be able to have fun in an Alliance.

You vets attack carebears day in and day out for "not realizing that EVE is a PVP game". Why don't you guys have anything to say to the folks who go and blue up 75% of null sec??? Isn't THAT negating the pvp aspect of eve???

I've said it before and I'll say it again: As a null seccer I feel SAFER in null sec than I do in HIGH or LOW sec.

Isn't that the same philosophy that created the goons in the first place?

Also, pvp for the sake of fun is pointless and stupid.

Also, pvp for the sake of fun is pointless and stupid.

"Smaller Alliances/Corps Need To Take Their Game Back"

You have to remember you are not dealing with socially adjusted people when you get into the big uber gangs. Yes I am generalizing but for the most part let's just call it what it is. You can't run 5 alts in more than one MMO, be logged in 22/7 and expect us to believe there is a girl asleep in your bed and you own and run 3 businesses. What did you expect from people who get their jollies suicide ganking? Are you surprised you are not chilling with some cool hipster types? You're dealing with uber dorks that don't have the reflexes to play a FPS.

You are my hero. You just described the elite of the large alliances. Elite in eve, 30k a year person outside of eve.

Also, pvp for the sake of fun is pointless and stupid.

This thread is getting spammed to death by TEST

You are my hero. You just described the elite of the large alliances. Elite in eve, 30k a year person outside of eve.

Know what's hilarious?

These people (who are CLEARLY on unemployment or some other form of Government assistance) think it's funny that I'm a truck driver. They then call me "useless" because I'm not able to strap in for every single goddamned fleet that's posted on jabber, or the fact that I have less than 5 mill SP and no kills when I clearly told them I was in the process of training up SBs, EVEMON way not simply being able to sit in one. WTF is the point in me coming on a fleet with a bare minimum SB? What use would I be? Let alone the fact that about 60% of Test is inactive and/or alts. So my simply logging in a lone and training to be useful in the future is contributing.

I'm an owner operator. I own my own business and have 3 other trucks driving for me.

My gross last year was roughly $170,000.

Net was roughly $95,000. That's just my truck, not including my cut from the other drivers.

I'm not saying this to brag. I'm simply pointing out the humor in a bunch of underachievers IRL calling me useless because of my lack of pixel accolades.

If these people worked 40 hours per week, let alone the 80-90 I usually put in, they'd see how hard it is to be ultra-active when you're doing grown up things instead of eating hotpockets and playing EVE all damned day.

Tell us more about your kickboxing and your ferrari-driving and your supermodel girlfriend

That mentality truly bothers me when applied to Eve. I wager that far more people would engage in PvP if it was more about fun and less about numbers, KBs, et al.

Know what's hilarious?

These people (who are CLEARLY on unemployment or some other form of Government assistance) think it's funny that I'm a truck driver. They then call me "useless" because I'm not able to strap in for every single goddamned fleet that's posted on jabber, or the fact that I have less than 5 mill SP and no kills when I clearly told them I was in the process of training up SBs, EVEMON way not simply being able to sit in one. WTF is the point in me coming on a fleet with a bare minimum SB? What use would I be? Let alone the fact that about 60% of Test is inactive and/or alts. So my simply logging in a lone and training to be useful in the future is contributing.

I'm an owner operator. I own my own business and have 3 other trucks driving for me.

My gross last year was roughly $170,000.

Net was roughly $95,000. That's just my truck, not including my cut from the other drivers.

I'm not saying this to brag. I'm simply pointing out the humor in a bunch of underachievers IRL calling me useless because of my lack of pixel accolades.

If these people worked 40 hours per week, let alone the 80-90 I usually put in, they'd see how hard it is to be ultra-active when you're doing grown up things instead of eating hotpockets and playing EVE all damned day.

Sadly that's how many think...EVE is srsbidness. EVE is a JOB to these folks. Isn't that why you play EVE? to have fun??? So then what better reason to PVP???

Know what's hilarious?

These people (who are CLEARLY on unemployment or some other form of Government assistance) think it's funny that I'm a truck driver. They then call me "useless" because I'm not able to strap in for every single goddamned fleet that's posted on jabber, or the fact that I have less than 5 mill SP and no kills when I clearly told them I was in the process of training up SBs, EVEMON way not simply being able to sit in one. WTF is the point in me coming on a fleet with a bare minimum SB? What use would I be? Let alone the fact that about 60% of Test is inactive and/or alts. So my simply logging in a lone and training to be useful in the future is contributing.

I'm an owner operator. I own my own business and have 3 other trucks driving for me.

My gross last year was roughly $170,000.

Net was roughly $95,000. That's just my truck, not including my cut from the other drivers.

I'm not saying this to brag. I'm simply pointing out the humor in a bunch of underachievers IRL calling me useless because of my lack of pixel accolades.

If these people worked 40 hours per week, let alone the 80-90 I usually put in, they'd see how hard it is to be ultra-active when you're doing grown up things instead of eating hotpockets and playing EVE all damned day.

I'm not saying this to brag. I'm simply pointing out the humor in a bunch of underachievers IRL calling me useless because of my lack of pixel accolades.

See, look at how sad this is....


Someone says the have a job and decent income = "ZOMG, TELL US ABOUT UR FERRARI DRIVING AND GIRLFRIEND".

Like dude, that's doing it big to you? $95,000?

I'm only 25 that's crap cash dude.

...but then again, perhaps I have more ambition...and perhaps you actually put "Goonwaffe" on your resume, being that's probably your greatest achievement, so I can see how you think $95,000 warrants an "OHMYGAWD SON U LYIN!!! WHY U LYIN MAN!??" reaction...


Seriously, who the **** would lie about 95 grand?

Know what's hilarious?

These people (who are CLEARLY on unemployment or some other form of Government assistance) think it's funny that I'm a truck driver. They then call me "useless" because I'm not able to strap in for every single goddamned fleet that's posted on jabber, or the fact that I have less than 5 mill SP and no kills when I clearly told them I was in the process of training up SBs, EVEMON way not simply being able to sit in one. WTF is the point in me coming on a fleet with a bare minimum SB? What use would I be? Let alone the fact that about 60% of Test is inactive and/or alts. So my simply logging in a lone and training to be useful in the future is contributing.

I'm an owner operator. I own my own business and have 3 other trucks driving for me.

My gross last year was roughly $170,000.

Net was roughly $95,000. That's just my truck, not including my cut from the other drivers.

I'm not saying this to brag. I'm simply pointing out the humor in a bunch of underachievers IRL calling me useless because of my lack of pixel accolades.

If these people worked 40 hours per week, let alone the 80-90 I usually put in, they'd see how hard it is to be ultra-active when you're doing grown up things instead of eating hotpockets and playing EVE all damned day.

I CARE SO LITTLE ABOUT EVE THAT I'M GOING TO SPEND AN UNNECESSARY AMOUNT OF TIME COMPLAINING ABOUT IT