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Gogela
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Posted - 2013.01.19 16:59:00 -
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Hmm... things are moving around it seems. That SSoCT BC used to be the SoCT Cruiser. The Echo is on TQ now as a frigate, and the Immolater is on TQ as the Styx frigate.
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Gogela
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Posted - 2013.01.19 20:31:00 -
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At the risk of feeding the rumor mill to much... word on my streets is that CCP is going to expand FW to pirate factions, and that player w/ accounts 2 years old will be able to create pirate toons that in turn get these pirate rookie ships. They said they were going to do that from the start with FW... and to me this looks like what's happening here with the rookie ships.
I have been betting the Genosis would be involved with the 10th anniversary for years though. It just kind of follows. They turned the SoCT 1 frigate into the Apotheosis for the 5th... so SoCT Cruiser for the 10th... right?
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Gogela
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Posted - 2013.01.19 21:05:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Gogela wrote:At the risk of feeding the rumor mill to much... word on my streets is that CCP is going to expand FW to pirate factions, and that player w/ accounts 2 years old will be able to create pirate toons that in turn get these pirate rookie ships. They said they were going to do that from the start with FW... and to me this looks like what's happening here with the rookie ships.
I have been betting the Genosis would be involved with the 10th anniversary for years though. It just kind of follows. They turned the SoCT 1 frigate into the Apotheosis for the 5th... so SoCT Cruiser for the 10th... right?
They all look pretty baller, and I think the idea of a limited (but wide) issue of a competent fighting ship is an interesting choice from a market perspective. Will it behave like the Genolution Implants where people fly and die in them regularly, or like the primae which sits in hangars doing nothing?
If it brings ANY unique capability to the field at all people will be dying in them a lot. If it's the same as (insert ship here) with a nerf to (insert attribute) or with one less (inset slot) then it will be a hanger queen. Maybe it'll have some weird bonus though... if it does there will be a lot of these on killboards.
Actually... if they keep the Genosis stats like they are it'll be a killer. People will use it.
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Gogela
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Posted - 2013.01.19 23:33:00 -
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Romvex wrote:Is it just me or are those pirate rookie ships totally OP?
Who cares if they are? They are still less powerful than a T1 frig. I mean... who are they gonna gank? Other rookie ships? lol!
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Gogela
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Posted - 2013.01.20 04:28:00 -
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Regkar Koskanaiken wrote:I hope it's not just for older accounts, I'd really love to participate in some good pirate faction-y goodness without waiting another year.
1) We're still in rumor country.
2) I'm sure it's not lost on ccp's marketing group that introducing a new "race" is a good way to get in on the ground level of an established MMO in the minds of would-be subscribers. CCP ain't a non-profit organization.
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Gogela
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Posted - 2013.01.20 20:36:00 -
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Romvex wrote:Silivar Karkun wrote:yeah, he just got revampe in V3 graphics, but all the traditional ships for the pirate factions still exist, the Ixion, the Medusa, etc.. according to Gogela's every ship page it's been removed, and i've never seen it before anyway
No it's still there... the ones in black are just ships that are only available to Devs. (You won't find it amongst the frigs b/c on TQ it's classified as a cruiser) You can still pull up the stats by clicking on the ship in your in-game browser. My list represents the TQ database... not SiSi
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Gogela
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Posted - 2013.01.20 21:37:00 -
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Romvex wrote:Gogela wrote:Romvex wrote:Silivar Karkun wrote:yeah, he just got revampe in V3 graphics, but all the traditional ships for the pirate factions still exist, the Ixion, the Medusa, etc.. according to Gogela's every ship page it's been removed, and i've never seen it before anyway No it's still there... the ones in black are just ships that are only available to Devs. (You won't find it amongst the frigs b/c on TQ it's classified as a cruiser) You can still pull up the stats by clicking on the ship in your in-game browser. My list represents the TQ database... not SiSi Ah i see it, just has the red crossbones and skull saying removed from database. Can't seem to pull up info in IGB either
*$%& #@*@!!!!!
Yah my bad you are right. They took it out of the TQ DB! Gah. Bummer. Sorry. The list is right I was wrong... :/
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Gogela
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Posted - 2013.01.21 21:33:00 -
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There is still the model in the TQ database for that (used for NPC ships), but not the player flyable ship. If you get on some of the development builds (sisi or buckingham) some of the ship in red on my list will pull up a player flyable ship's stats. I don't know why that is or how that works. A few expansions ago CCP Greyscale went on a tear removing 'unused' stuff from the TQ database and with that went the ships. This was never applied to the development servers though. Don't ask me how that's even possible I don't know. That said, concord cruisers, the Ixion, and even the Infested Dominix could still be pulled up for many builds after the TQ purge. I don't know if that's still the case, I haven't tested it recently. I don't generally remove the link or itemID from my ship list when they remove a ship from the TQ database, so if it's still there the link should work in the test client. Maybe they'll bring it back at some point? You could check sisi to find out...
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Gogela
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Posted - 2013.01.23 21:57:00 -
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bufnitza calatoare wrote:I think its safe to say with 99.99% certainty that the Gnosis will be a tourney ship.
god knows what 2nd prize will be.
pirate rookie ships for 10th eve birthday pressies to the populace.
I think that you are wrong about the Gnosis, for 3 main reasons.
1) Apotheosis for 5th. Gnosis for 10th. Same ship line and works w/ the lore.
2) Everyone is testing the Gnosis on sisi. CCP is seeking feedback and really trying to balance it into the game's ecosystem. That's not something they do with limited 50-run tourny ships.
3) The logical next iteration of faction warfare is to take it to the pirate factions. CCP has been talking about that since the inception of FW. That would be the vector for distributing pirate rookie ships. Either that or letting people choose a pirate bloodline when they create a character (also a possibility).
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Gogela
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Posted - 2013.01.24 21:59:00 -
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Berluth Luthian wrote:So if you fire with 6 turrets do you do 6 turrets worth of damage or one?
The damage on the ground is the same regardless of how many turrets you use or what your skills and bonuses are.
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Gogela
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Posted - 2013.01.24 22:24:00 -
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Romvex wrote:Gogela wrote:Berluth Luthian wrote:So if you fire with 6 turrets do you do 6 turrets worth of damage or one? The damage on the ground is the same regardless of how many turrets you use or what your skills and bonuses are. Well than that's pretty ******* broken
Within the context of DUST not really. DUST is still very beta-y. In EvE yah there'd be a threadnought on it and people shooting at monuments. In DUST people are more concerned with bunny-hopping, graphics/frame rates, and about a zillion other issues.
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Gogela
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Posted - 2013.02.04 07:31:00 -
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Streya Jormagdnir wrote:These look like they'll be one-time limited edition ships.  I just noticed the OP found them under Limited Edition Ships folders on the test server.
Yah... but we're talking test server too. Honestly, I've been following spaceships for a while now and I honestly think there's only a few people at CCP who even know what ships go in what category. The database category's mean nothing to them. At all. One thing to note too is that there is no "market" category for rookie ships. I mean, these faction rookie ships could easilly be reclassified as frigates.
I'll give you a good example: The Apotheosis. Lets take a walk down memory lane: The model started out as the SOCT1 frigate, a ship that still exists today under the T1 frigate category. Then they issued it as a shuttle. Then they put it on the market as a frigate. Then it was a special edition frigate... a category it's still in today despite it being a shuttle and there being a "special shuttle" section for it now.
CCP just isn't concerned with labels. Maybe it'll be a one-time issue thing, maybe it won't. What I can say is that the category it's in on the test sever isn't the deciding factor. In fact... it's not a factor at all.
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Gogela
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Posted - 2013.04.13 18:00:00 -
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Spork Witch wrote:Gogela wrote:Streya Jormagdnir wrote:These look like they'll be one-time limited edition ships. I just noticed the OP found them under Limited Edition Ships folders on the test server. Yah... but we're talking test server too. Honestly, I've been following spaceships for a while now and I honestly think there's only a few people at CCP who even know what ships go in what category. The database category's mean nothing to them. At all. One thing to note too is that there is no "market" category for rookie ships. I mean, these faction rookie ships could easilly be reclassified as frigates. I'll give you a good example: The Apotheosis. Lets take a walk down memory lane: The model started out as the SOCT1 frigate, a ship that still exists today under the T1 frigate category. Then they issued it as a shuttle. Then they put it on the market as a frigate. Then it was a special edition frigate... a category it's still in today despite it being a shuttle and there being a "special shuttle" section for it now. CCP just isn't concerned with labels. Maybe it'll be a one-time issue thing, maybe it won't. What I can say is that the category it's in on the test sever isn't the deciding factor. In fact... it's not a factor at all. For that matter, in the name of "cleaning up the market" they moved non-capitals (ships that do not require nor are affected by capital skills, are able to use jump gates, are able to enter high-sec, and are able to built in high-sec) into the capital ships category, confusing countless newbies that don't know better (and even some oldbies.)
If you are referring to freighters, I think of it not in terms of what the actual capabilities are, but what they look like in space. The way I would categorize ships would be broad... T2, T3, Faction, and T1 cruisers would all simply go under the heading "cruisers", for example. Freighters are huge. I've always considered them capitals, even if they can't jump and can use gates. I mean... you can jam 16 BS into a freighter....
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Gogela
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Posted - 2013.04.13 19:47:00 -
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Lewiatan wrote:Those rookie frigates have life of 14 days or month as far as I know/was told.
So only rookie can use it or something like that.
Anyone can confirm that?
I can confirm that this isn't true. They will be in your hanger as long as you leave them there.
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