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RichtPaul
Shadow Industries I
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Posted - 2013.01.19 18:51:00 -
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As stated in this dev blog: http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=73530
"It is also worth noting that we will adjust ship mineral requirements as we continue with the rebalancing."
So... does anybody know what that change will be like? |
mynnna
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.01.19 19:03:00 -
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The changes are on sisi now, so you could easily get on to find out yourself. The cliff notes are a 50-80% (depending on the ship) build cost increase for tier 1 and a 7-15% increase for tier 2. Tier 3 is untouched. This post was crafted by a member of the GoonSwarm Federation Economic Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay. |
RichtPaul
Shadow Industries I
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Posted - 2013.01.19 19:57:00 -
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Thanks mama. |
Hillesumos
Trader's Academy
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Posted - 2013.01.20 00:00:00 -
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The huge stockpile of BC that are going to be made before this change ...
It is going to be fun to watch... then again they die a lot faster than mining ships |
Havoc Zealot
Sky Fighters Talocan United
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Posted - 2013.01.20 07:23:00 -
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This change supposed to be coming out with the BC fixes in 1.1? |
Llyandrian
Livestock Science Exchange
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Posted - 2013.01.20 10:18:00 -
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The extra demand will make the frigate price spike look like blip. |
Felicity Love
STARKRAFT
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Posted - 2013.01.20 13:29:00 -
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I suppose the ongoing revisions might bump up the mineral needs of the tier 3 BC's, or are they considered to be the benchmark to rebalance the lesser BC's ? |
Rengerel en Distel
Amarr Science and Industry
1048
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Posted - 2013.01.20 15:39:00 -
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Felicity Love wrote:I suppose the ongoing revisions might bump up the mineral needs of the tier 3 BC's, or are they considered to be the benchmark to rebalance the lesser BC's ?
perhaps read the post #2?
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mynnna
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.01.20 16:19:00 -
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Llyandrian wrote: The extra demand will make the frigate price spike look like blip.
Or even the cruiser price spike.
Pyerite is already in a bad place, but that's just because it's pyerite. Everything else hasn't moved, though, yet. By next weekend, though? Who's to say. I'd be getting your minerals now if you plan to be building, before you give up a chunk of your profit just to price spikes. This post was crafted by a member of the GoonSwarm Federation Economic Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay. |
Dino Ginger
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.01.20 20:27:00 -
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Anyone have the numbers?
how much now, and how much in SISI, of the minerals? |
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shar'ra matcevsovski
white knightess
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Posted - 2013.01.20 21:29:00 -
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Dino Ginger wrote:Anyone have the numbers?
how much now, and how much in SISI, of the minerals?
no offence, but generally if you have to ask that, your prolly too late shar'ra phone home |
mynnna
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
328
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Posted - 2013.01.20 22:16:00 -
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It's not too late, minerals haven't started moving, yet. The hulls themselves have, but they're low hanging fruit.
That said the percentages are posted above, if you want exact numbers either stop being lazy and go check sisi yourself, or wait for someone else to post them. This post was crafted by a member of the GoonSwarm Federation Economic Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay. |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2013.01.20 22:25:00 -
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Dino Ginger wrote:Anyone have the numbers?
how much now, and how much in SISI, of the minerals?
By the time you asked, some are already planning when to unload. Just saying. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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mynnna
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.01.21 02:56:00 -
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I just had a really good meal and the info is already in a spreadsheet of mine anyway, so I decided to be generous.
http://i.imgur.com/5VGbDMG.png
Enjoy. This post was crafted by a member of the GoonSwarm Federation Economic Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay. |
shar'ra matcevsovski
white knightess
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Posted - 2013.01.21 05:46:00 -
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mynnna wrote:I just had a really good meal and the info is already in a spreadsheet of mine anyway, so I decided to be generous. http://i.imgur.com/5VGbDMG.pngEnjoy.
It might have been the meal, but I-¦ve the strong feeling that the~100bil Trit you invested in, werent totally unretaled aswell, heh?
just as a quick reminder: Procurer price Jita : ~7.500.000 mil (current) Procurer build cost: ~24.500.000 mil
why? because the over-production that happened 2-3 weeks before the changes took place, will simply cover the procurer demand for the next 3-4 years.
guess whats gona happen to Tier 1 BC-¦s, but make your own experience
and no I did not invest in anything this time ;) shar'ra phone home |
Molic Blackbird
Orion Faction Industries Orion Consortium
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Posted - 2013.01.21 06:38:00 -
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shar'ra matcevsovski wrote:
just as a quick reminder: Procurer price Jita : ~7.500.000 mil (current) Procurer build cost: ~24.500.000 mil
why? because the over-production that happened 2-3 weeks before the changes took place, will simply cover the procurer demand for the next 3-4 years.
guess whats gona happen to Tier 1 BC-¦s, but make your own experience
and no I did not invest in anything this time ;)
Selling Procurers at 7.5m is 3 times what they cost to build. Making 3 times the ISK invested is doing well even if it takes a year or more to sell them off.
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I'm a temp
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.01.21 07:53:00 -
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shar'ra matcevsovski wrote: procurer demand
You just stated the main reason for procurer prices. How many people actually fly those or skiffs these days? That's what I thought. Retrievers seem to be doing just fine.
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mynnna
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.01.21 08:08:00 -
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[quote=shar'ra matcevsovski It might have been the meal, but I-¦ve the strong feeling that the~100bil Trit you invested in, werent totally unretaled aswell, heh? [/quote]
That's all for my own tiericide consumption. I am merely seeking to provide a public service to interested fellow investors. This post was crafted by a member of the GoonSwarm Federation Economic Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay. |
enterprisePSI
167
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Posted - 2013.01.21 08:18:00 -
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The New Order has increased demand for procurer / skiffs. The plan is to make the miners think that they are safe in these vessels. Purging of these ships will commence, once a critical number has been reached.
I am only throwing 30 bil at this BC tiericide , RL is killing me atm. The tears of the many, outweight the tears of the few. Or the one. enterprise-psi-¬
I made tweet, Y U NO FOLLOW!!! |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2013.01.21 09:09:00 -
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Molic Blackbird wrote:shar'ra matcevsovski wrote:
just as a quick reminder: Procurer price Jita : ~7.500.000 mil (current) Procurer build cost: ~24.500.000 mil
why? because the over-production that happened 2-3 weeks before the changes took place, will simply cover the procurer demand for the next 3-4 years.
guess whats gona happen to Tier 1 BC-¦s, but make your own experience
and no I did not invest in anything this time ;)
Selling Procurers at 7.5m is 3 times what they cost to build. Making 3 times the ISK invested is doing well even if it takes a year or more to sell them off.
I did not hop on the barges bandwagon (edit: except to sell tons of Macks BPCs and ships), they die far too rarely to be an investment with sensible returns in a reasonable amount of time. Sure if I throw 100B I can get back 300 after 3 years... so what? It's a below 3.1% a month revenue. Only really useful to the few ones with hundreds billions sitting doing nothing.
To make a little comparison, in 1 month I netted 150-180% over regular Retriever / Mack BPCs which is certainly less than 300% but it's a month and not 1-3 years. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Dave Stark
1629
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Posted - 2013.01.21 11:03:00 -
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enterprisePSI wrote:The New Order has increased demand for procurer / skiffs. The plan is to make the miners think that they are safe in these vessels. Purging of these ships will commence, once a critical number has been reached. I am only throwing 30 bil at this BC tiericide , RL is killing me atm.
no they haven't. they've increased the demand for retrievers because you'll make more isk mining in an untanked retriever and replacing it when it pops than losing the yield and mining in an overtanked skiff. more so if you just mine anywhere but that one little system where they have their little circle jerk.
the skiff/procurer are filling a niche that simply doesn't exist. "100k for notifications of stupidity, i love this bounty system." |
enterprisePSI
167
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Posted - 2013.01.21 11:49:00 -
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Ok dave they haven't The tears of the many, outweight the tears of the few. Or the one. enterprise-psi-¬
I made tweet, Y U NO FOLLOW!!! |
Dave Stark
1629
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Posted - 2013.01.21 12:09:00 -
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:D "100k for notifications of stupidity, i love this bounty system." |
Toku Jiang
Jiang Laboratories and Discovery
135
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Posted - 2013.01.21 20:25:00 -
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It will be interesting to see all of the people that will be crying post patch that they can't build ships as cheap as they are selling for. Should make for good fun. |
statu variabilis
Agent Logic Research
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Posted - 2013.01.22 01:58:00 -
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mynnna wrote:I just had a really good meal and the info is already in a spreadsheet of mine anyway, so I decided to be generous. http://i.imgur.com/5VGbDMG.pngEnjoy.
et tu, brutix? |
The Sardukar
The Imperial Sardaukar
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Posted - 2013.01.30 21:40:00 -
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shar'ra matcevsovski wrote:mynnna wrote:I just had a really good meal and the info is already in a spreadsheet of mine anyway, so I decided to be generous. http://i.imgur.com/5VGbDMG.pngEnjoy. It might have been the meal, but I-¦ve the strong feeling that the~100bil Trit you invested in, werent totally unretaled aswell, heh? just as a quick reminder: Procurer price Jita : ~7.500.000 mil (current) Procurer build cost: ~24.500.000 mil why? because the over-production that happened 2-3 weeks before the changes took place, will simply cover the procurer demand for the next 3-4 years. guess whats gona happen to Tier 1 BC-¦s, but make your own experience and no I did not invest in anything this time ;)
The rebalanced Tier 1 BCs are going to die a lot more than procurers dont you think? |
shar'ra matcevsovski
white knightess
330
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Posted - 2013.01.30 23:14:00 -
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The Sardukar wrote:shar'ra matcevsovski wrote:mynnna wrote:I just had a really good meal and the info is already in a spreadsheet of mine anyway, so I decided to be generous. http://i.imgur.com/5VGbDMG.png Enjoy. It might have been the meal, but I-¦ve the strong feeling that the~100bil Trit you invested in, werent totally unretaled aswell, heh? just as a quick reminder: Procurer price Jita : ~7.500.000 mil (current) Procurer build cost: ~24.500.000 mil why? because the over-production that happened 2-3 weeks before the changes took place, will simply cover the procurer demand for the next 3-4 years. guess whats gona happen to Tier 1 BC-¦s, but make your own experience and no I did not invest in anything this time ;) The rebalanced Tier 1 BCs are going to die a lot more than Procurers dont you think?
if you compare a pvp ship and a mining ship, "dieing" is not a valid point regarding sell volume. procusers cost now about 20 times the minerals they did before, forTier 1 BC`s that rate is only 1,5 to 1,7, should make quite some difference to your profit when the over production will be nearly the same
shar'ra phone home |
The Sardukar
The Imperial Sardaukar
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Posted - 2013.01.30 23:28:00 -
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shar'ra matcevsovski wrote: if you compare a pvp ship and a mining ship, "dieing" is not a valid point regarding sell volume. procusers cost now about 20 times the minerals they did before, forTier 1 BC`s that rate is only 1,5 to 1,7, should make quite some difference to your profit when the over production will be nearly the same
I'm just saying that I find it unlikely that you will find yourself one year from now with huge excess stocks of ships selling for much less than the build cost. |
Gingerlord
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.01.30 23:39:00 -
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I dunno about you guys but Im building my pvp stock now to save is later. |
Tauranon
Weeesearch
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Posted - 2013.01.31 02:35:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:enterprisePSI wrote:The New Order has increased demand for procurer / skiffs. The plan is to make the miners think that they are safe in these vessels. Purging of these ships will commence, once a critical number has been reached. I am only throwing 30 bil at this BC tiericide , RL is killing me atm. no they haven't. they've increased the demand for retrievers because you'll make more isk mining in an untanked retriever and replacing it when it pops than losing the yield and mining in an overtanked skiff. more so if you just mine anywhere but that one little system where they have their little circle jerk. the skiff/procurer are filling a niche that simply doesn't exist.
Characters that are training and have implants is the skiffs niche. New order logistics are habitual podders.
I'm sure they'll get around to killing a skiff, but they don't have any on the new order logistics kb as doing so does in fact inflict all sorts of downtimes and logistics on their pilots, that don't occur if they just patrol the systems they patrol and kill the low hanging fruit, which will also generate many times more 10 million donations, because afk and alt miners don't notice demonstrations of power until its their barge that pops.
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