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shar'ra matcevsovski white knightess 330	Posted - 2013.01.31 06:36:00 - [31] - Quote The Sardukar wrote: shar'ra matcevsovski wrote: if you compare a pvp ship and a mining ship, "dieing" is not a valid point regarding sell volume. procusers cost now about 20 times the minerals they did before, forTier 1 BC`s that rate is only 1,5 to 1,7, should make quite some difference to your profit when the over production will be nearly the same I'm just saying that I find it unlikely that you will find yourself one year from now with huge excess stocks of ships selling for much less than the build cost. and why you find this so unlikely? because it sounds wrong, iyho? its simple math...if there is a over-production of 2 years of the avg. demand of a ship, how long does it take till price will stabilize? stop thinking too much about buildcost when it comes to the price of a ship, its always supply&demand what makes the price. wana bet 5bil that procurers will still be way under 24 mil sell price in a cple month (reg. 1 year after the change)? secured by a third party if u like shar'ra phone home
The Sardukar The Imperial Sardaukar 24	Posted - 2013.01.31 18:51:00 - [32] - Quote shar'ra matcevsovski wrote: The Sardukar wrote: shar'ra matcevsovski wrote: if you compare a pvp ship and a mining ship, "dieing" is not a valid point regarding sell volume. procusers cost now about 20 times the minerals they did before, forTier 1 BC`s that rate is only 1,5 to 1,7, should make quite some difference to your profit when the over production will be nearly the same I'm just saying that I find it unlikely that you will find yourself one year from now with huge excess stocks of ships selling for much less than the build cost. and why you find this so unlikely? because it sounds wrong, iyho? its simple math...if there is a over-production of 2 years of the avg. demand of a ship, how long does it take till price will stabilize? stop thinking too much about buildcost when it comes to the price of a ship, its always supply&demand what makes the price. wana bet 5bil that procurers will still be way under 24 mil sell price in a cple month (reg. 1 year after the change)? secured by a third party if u like Supply and demand was actually my point. The demand of the rebalanced tier 1 BCs are likely to spike because 1) they will be much better than they presently are and 2) they are going to be used in PVP and thus die in droves. Compare that to the Procurer that 1) ended up the least favourite of the rebalanced barges (yield and hold more attractive to miners than tank) and 2) doesnt die at all because of its non-combat role and huge tank. On the supply side, the battlecruisers are already costing 30-35 million a piece to build, neccessitating players to invest huge amounts of isk to build significant qunatities, while the Procurer costed 2.5 mill a pice to build pre patch, enabling even the not so space-rich to build rather big stocks. Procurers will rise eventually, but it will take years to deplete the current stocks. Tier 1 BCs? Thats not gonna happen.
shar'ra matcevsovski white knightess 330	Posted - 2013.01.31 19:20:00 - [33] - Quote The Sardukar wrote: Supply and demand was actually my point. The demand of the rebalanced tier 1 BCs are likely to spike because 1) they will be much better than they presently are and 2) they are going to be used in PVP and thus die in droves. point 2) is p. much a result of point 1), so a bit trivial. SOME Tier 1 BC`s are going to be better, fine. But again they are still no where near as fleet suitable as their Tier 2 or 3 variants wich still keep them in a niche postion. there is simply no reason to chose any Tier 1 BC over the other Tiers, not now, not later. The Sardukar wrote: Compare that to the Procurer that 1) ended up the least favourite of the rebalanced barges (yield and hold more attractive to miners than tank) and 2) doesnt die at all because of its non-combat role and huge tank. again, not dieing for a non pvp ship isnt a rly good point BUT they are still getting sold 2-3 times as mch as any Tier 1 BC hull. Investing has also nothing to do with the piece number, only the invested isk matters...god damn Quote: Procurers will rise eventually, but it will take years to deplete the current stocks. Tier 1 BCs? Thats not gonna happen. its almost like we are talking about religion or something that you actually cant calculate....just check how many Tier 1 BC BPO`s have been sold in the last 2 weeks and how many ships those will make... not to mention those BPO's that have been sold via forums or contracts... hint: depending on wich BC its already almost 3 years again even with a increased sell volume shar'ra phone home
Jerry T Pepridge Meta Game Analysis and Investment INC. 4	Posted - 2013.01.31 23:09:00 - [34] - Quote bc's will be much much worse than procurer, after the initial pubbie spike of hurr durr look guis new BC herp derp. it'll drop faster than claire coffee's lead turd in an outhouse.
Wyke Mossari Staner Industries 435	Posted - 2013.02.02 11:04:00 - [35] - Quote Add in last weekend Supercide and we can only expect mineral prices to rise sharply. (Yep ok I only posted this to introduce the neologism supercide) PI Profitability spreadsheet
Hulemand Coreli Corporation 54	Posted - 2013.02.03 01:56:00 - [36] - Quote Just wondering, someone must have known about the build cost changes to tech 1 frigs and cruisers, and they are well up in price now. Admiral Hulemand Core Operations Overseer
Steve Ronuken Fuzzwork Enterprises 1119	Posted - 2013.02.03 02:40:00 - [37] - Quote Hulemand wrote: Just wondering, someone must have known about the build cost changes to tech 1 frigs and cruisers, and they are well up in price now. People have profited from them. People will profit from the BC updates. As long as the ships die, it's fine. FuzzWork Enterprises http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/ Blueprint calculator, invention chance calculator, isk/m3 Ore chart-á and other 'useful' utilities.As well as mysql and CSV/XLS conversions of the Static Data Extract.
Aryth GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 825	Posted - 2013.02.04 16:00:00 - [38] - Quote Wyke Mossari wrote: Add in last weekend Supercide and we can only expect mineral prices to rise sharply. (Yep ok I only posted this to introduce the neologism supercide) Glad the post was about introduction of a new word and not the content. Because the content is completely incorrect. Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Cabal Vile Rat: You're the greatest sociopath that has ever played eve.
Wyke Mossari Staner Industries 435	Posted - 2013.02.04 17:23:00 - [39] - Quote Aryth wrote: Wyke Mossari wrote: Add in last weekend Supercide and we can only expect mineral prices to rise sharply. (Yep ok I only posted this to introduce the neologism supercide) Glad the post was about introduction of a new word and not the content. Because the content is completely incorrect. Ouch butt hurt much? PI Profitability spreadsheet
Aryth GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 825	Posted - 2013.02.04 23:35:00 - [40] - Quote Wyke Mossari wrote: Aryth wrote: Wyke Mossari wrote: Add in last weekend Supercide and we can only expect mineral prices to rise sharply. (Yep ok I only posted this to introduce the neologism supercide) Glad the post was about introduction of a new word and not the content. Because the content is completely incorrect. Ouch butt hurt much? The fact is identifying Goon's Jita alts got a whole lot easier for anybody trading minerals. What. You must be joking or so clueless as to border on incompetence. You do realize, goons FLAG OUR ORDERS. Those evil goony alts are sure hard to pick out with their penising up the market like crazy. You missed the point of my post. The wild speculation that the welp would impact minerals was incorrect. Because we had just purchased 600b in minerals 45 days earlier for BC spec. That we then just rolled into supers! Funny how that works. But yes, continue trying to find the goon alts that identify themselves with their numbering. Just lawl. Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Cabal Vile Rat: You're the greatest sociopath that has ever played eve.

Weaselior GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 4325	Posted - 2013.02.04 23:39:00 - [41] - Quote Wyke Mossari wrote: The fact is identifying Goon's Jita alts got a whole lot easier for anybody trading minerals. my jita market alt, and most other director jita market alts, are in goonswarm besides what are you going to do to him send him mean evemails
mynnna GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 405	Posted - 2013.02.04 23:40:00 - [42] - Quote Besides, the quantity of minerals the supercaps represent is less than a day's volume in Jita. With proper use of buy orders, the market wouldn't even notice we were there. This post was crafted by a member of the GoonSwarm Federation Economic Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
Weaselior GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 4325	Posted - 2013.02.04 23:41:00 - [43] - Quote OPERATION VENGEANCE OF THE WRETCHED MASSES STEP ONE: IDENTIFY GOONSWARM MARKET ALTS AND THEN uh well they're market alts so they literally never undock um er help
RubyPorto Sniggwaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT 2588	Posted - 2013.02.07 07:34:00 - [44] - Quote Weaselior wrote: Wyke Mossari wrote: The fact is identifying Goon's Jita alts got a whole lot easier for anybody trading minerals. my jita market alt, and most other director jita market alts, are in goonswarm besides what are you going to do to him send him mean evemails So super mean, you wouldn't believe. This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody. "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP)." -CCP Solomon
enterprisePSI 176	Posted - 2013.02.07 08:34:00 - [45] - Quote Weaselior wrote: OPERATION VENGEANCE OF THE WRETCHED MASSES STEP ONE: IDENTIFY GOONSWARM MARKET ALTS AND THEN uh well they're market alts so they literally never undock um er help walk to their captain quarters, and drink their quafe!!!!! The tears of the many, outweight the tears of the few. Or the one. enterprise-psi-¬ I made tweet, Y U NO FOLLOW!!!
Arronicus Vintas Industries Mistakes Were Made. 172	Posted - 2013.02.07 11:43:00 - [46] - Quote so, what've we got in this thread, People who have invested in BCs broke jews who can't afford to, so they try to convince the investors with incorrect facts that the investment will be bad, even citing SUCCESSFUL past investments to try to back themselves up And gewn kissups Market discussion is great these days =)
Huttan Funaila Terminal Radioactivity Honey Badger Coalition 162	Posted - 2013.02.07 20:44:00 - [47] - Quote When are these changes expected to go into effect?
mynnna GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 411	Posted - 2013.02.07 21:26:00 - [48] - Quote Huttan Funaila wrote: When are these changes expected to go into effect? February 12th, apparently! This post was crafted by a member of the GoonSwarm Federation Economic Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
shar'ra matcevsovski white knightess 337	Posted - 2013.02.07 22:15:00 - [49] - Quote Arronicus wrote: so, what've we got in this thread More like gewns are convincing the poor people who cant do own research that its a good idea to buy a lot of minerals ;) shar'ra phone home
Arronicus Vintas Industries Mistakes Were Made. 175	Posted - 2013.02.08 00:01:00 - [50] - Quote shar'ra matcevsovski wrote: Arronicus wrote: so, what've we got in this thread More like gewns are convincing the poor people who cant do own research that its a good idea to buy a lot of minerals ;) Got mine a while back in rens and hek mostly for a fair bit cheaper than jita, and current prices, so I'm happy.

Jori McKie Friends Of Harassment 60	Posted - 2013.02.08 09:18:00 - [51] - Quote About the usefulness of Tier 1 BC, if Raivi is going through with all the announced changes all Tier 1 BC will be equal if not better compared to their brethren The Prophecy will be a beast on its own, passive or active fitted with highslots to be used for more damage or neuts or smarties or RR while dishing out drone DPS and sporting a tank close to BS. The Brutix will start a new era of burst/active armor tank and still delivering DPS, kinda in your face thing. The Cyclone will be similar to the Brutix. The Ferox will be similiar to the Prophecy just with shields. The Cane and Drake will be dethroned after this changes, the Harbinger will still be crap, the Myrmidon stays the same with a better burst tank and little more DPS, maybe the HAM Drake could see a revival. I doubt there is enough stockpiling to support the market with low price BCs longer than 6 months. These Tier 1 BCs will sell like there is no tomorrow.
enterprisePSI 176	Posted - 2013.02.08 10:10:00 - [52] - Quote mynnna wrote: Huttan Funaila wrote: When are these changes expected to go into effect? February 12th, apparently! Battle cruisers V. Check. Destroyers V. Check. Racial Frigate IV. Check Racial Cruisers IV. Check. multiple so many BC hulls. In progress. Off to some mini holidays The tears of the many, outweight the tears of the few. Or the one. enterprise-psi-¬ I made tweet, Y U NO FOLLOW!!!
shar'ra matcevsovski white knightess 337	Posted - 2013.02.08 10:45:00 - [53] - Quote Jori McKie wrote: About the usefulness of Tier 1 BC, if Raivi is going through with all the announced changes all Tier 1 BC will be equal if not better compared to their brethren The Prophecy will be a beast on its own, passive or active fitted with highslots to be used for more damage or neuts or smarties or RR while dishing out drone DPS and sporting a tank close to BS. The Brutix will start a new era of burst/active armor tank and still delivering DPS, kinda in your face thing. The Cyclone will be similar to the Brutix. The Ferox will be similiar to the Prophecy just with shields. The Cane and Drake will be dethroned after this changes, the Harbinger will still be crap, the Myrmidon stays the same with a better burst tank and little more DPS, maybe the HAM Drake could see a revival. . -CCP Fozzie, not Raivi (does not make you look vet calling him raivi) -medium neuts (when no range bonus) and medium smarties suk balls -brutix = "new era"... because one additional low slot? blasters wont suk anymore? -"The Cyclone will be similar to the Brutix." armor/blaster boat is similar to a shield/missile boat, roger that. no offence, but I havent seen so much bs in a while... shar'ra phone home
Steve Ronuken Fuzzwork Enterprises 1127	Posted - 2013.02.08 11:40:00 - [54] - Quote shar'ra matcevsovski wrote: Jori McKie wrote: About the usefulness of Tier 1 BC, if Raivi is going through with all the announced changes all Tier 1 BC will be equal if not better compared to their brethren The Prophecy will be a beast on its own, passive or active fitted with highslots to be used for more damage or neuts or smarties or RR while dishing out drone DPS and sporting a tank close to BS. The Brutix will start a new era of burst/active armor tank and still delivering DPS, kinda in your face thing. The Cyclone will be similar to the Brutix. The Ferox will be similiar to the Prophecy just with shields. The Cane and Drake will be dethroned after this changes, the Harbinger will still be crap, the Myrmidon stays the same with a better burst tank and little more DPS, maybe the HAM Drake could see a revival. . -CCP Fozzie, not Raivi (does not make you look vet calling him raivi) -medium neuts (when no range bonus) and medium smarties suk balls -brutix = "new era"... because one additional low slot? blasters wont suk anymore? -"The Cyclone will be similar to the Brutix." armor/blaster boat is similar to a shield/missile boat, roger that. no offence, but I havent seen so much bs in a while... Blaster haven't sucked for a while. Have you seen the face melt they can put out? Sure, the range is low, but that's the 'in your face' thing. FuzzWork Enterprises http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/ Blueprint calculator, invention chance calculator, isk/m3 Ore chart-á and other 'useful' utilities.As well as mysql and CSV/XLS conversions of the Static Data Extract.
Ore Bunny Salami. 16	Posted - 2013.02.08 13:26:00 - [55] - Quote Steve Ronuken wrote: shar'ra matcevsovski wrote: Jori McKie wrote: About the usefulness of Tier 1 BC, if Raivi is going through with all the announced changes all Tier 1 BC will be equal if not better compared to their brethren The Prophecy will be a beast on its own, passive or active fitted with highslots to be used for more damage or neuts or smarties or RR while dishing out drone DPS and sporting a tank close to BS. The Brutix will start a new era of burst/active armor tank and still delivering DPS, kinda in your face thing. The Cyclone will be similar to the Brutix. The Ferox will be similiar to the Prophecy just with shields. The Cane and Drake will be dethroned after this changes, the Harbinger will still be crap, the Myrmidon stays the same with a better burst tank and little more DPS, maybe the HAM Drake could see a revival. . -CCP Fozzie, not Raivi (does not make you look vet calling him raivi) -medium neuts (when no range bonus) and medium smarties suk balls -brutix = "new era"... because one additional low slot? blasters wont suk anymore? -"The Cyclone will be similar to the Brutix." armor/blaster boat is similar to a shield/missile boat, roger that. no offence, but I havent seen so much bs in a while... Blaster haven't sucked for a while. Have you seen the face melt they can put out? Sure, the range is low, but that's the 'in your face' thing. yea...Blasters look great on EFT, but by the time you are finally in range to apply said "face melt" your face most of the time molten already, if you are even able to catch up with a armor tanked ship. I guess thats the reason why 99% of the null sec alliances use cane/drake over the other bc`s but sure, blasters rock
Jori McKie Friends Of Harassment 60	Posted - 2013.02.08 16:08:00 - [56] - Quote Ore Bunny wrote: Steve Ronuken wrote: shar'ra matcevsovski wrote: Jori McKie wrote: About the usefulness of Tier 1 BC, if Raivi is going through with all the announced changes all Tier 1 BC will be equal if not better compared to their brethren The Prophecy will be a beast on its own, passive or active fitted with highslots to be used for more damage or neuts or smarties or RR while dishing out drone DPS and sporting a tank close to BS. The Brutix will start a new era of burst/active armor tank and still delivering DPS, kinda in your face thing. The Cyclone will be similar to the Brutix. The Ferox will be similiar to the Prophecy just with shields. The Cane and Drake will be dethroned after this changes, the Harbinger will still be crap, the Myrmidon stays the same with a better burst tank and little more DPS, maybe the HAM Drake could see a revival. . -CCP Fozzie, not Raivi (does not make you look vet calling him raivi) -medium neuts (when no range bonus) and medium smarties suk balls -brutix = "new era"... because one additional low slot? blasters wont suk anymore? -"The Cyclone will be similar to the Brutix." armor/blaster boat is similar to a shield/missile boat, roger that. no offence, but I havent seen so much bs in a while... Blaster haven't sucked for a while. Have you seen the face melt they can put out? Sure, the range is low, but that's the 'in your face' thing. yea...Blasters look great on EFT, but by the time you are finally in range to apply said "face melt" your face most of the time molten already, if you are even able to catch up with a armor tanked ship. I guess thats the reason why 99% of the null sec alliances use cane/drake over the other bc`s but sure, blasters rock I don't know which Eve you are playing but in my Eve neither medium neuts or smarties are useless, especially in short range, especially in smallscale. Hint about the Brutix, it will be the combined changes, +1 low slot and the changes to active armor rep. The Brutix will be very fast and agile but less DPS compared to the old shield 1k DPS setup but a lot more tank. The Cyclone will be similar to the armor Brutix regarding tank, speed and DPS just with shields.
mynnna GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 414	Posted - 2013.02.10 02:59:00 - [57] - Quote For those who missed it, the patch was delayed by a week, pushed back to February 19th. So, if you'd planned to build, you've got some extra time. This post was crafted by a member of the GoonSwarm Federation Economic Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
shar'ra matcevsovski white knightess 337	Posted - 2013.02.10 08:02:00 - [58] - Quote mynnna wrote: BUY MY MINERALS ALREADY. ^lol shar'ra phone home
Wyke Mossari Staner Industries 437	Posted - 2013.02.10 08:58:00 - [59] - Quote Weaselior wrote: OPERATION VENGEANCE OF THE WRETCHED MASSES STEP ONE: IDENTIFY GOONSWARM MARKET ALTS AND THEN uh well they're market alts so they literally never undock um er help You clearly don't share your ... esteemed leaders opinion on the importance of intelligence them! PI Profitability spreadsheet
mynnna GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 415	Posted - 2013.02.10 17:46:00 - [60] - Quote shar'ra matcevsovski wrote: mynnna wrote: BUY MY MINERALS ALREADY. ^lol Nah, just a public service announcement. I'm saving my minerals for BS tiericide anyway. This post was crafted by a member of the GoonSwarm Federation Economic Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.



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