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Mayhaw Morgan
State War Academy Caldari State
28
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Posted - 2013.01.20 00:33:00 -
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Tippia wrote:1. No more massive ship losses, which leads toGǪ 2. Complete collapse in demand for ships and modules, which leads toGǪ 3. Complete collapse of industry, which leads toGǪ 4. Complete collapse of the economy, which leads toGǪ 5. No more reason to do anything in the game, which leads toGǪ 6. Everyone leaves, which leads toGǪ 7. The end.
Yes, it would be a bad thing.
Ok . . . so . . . I'm having a hard time wrapping my sane mind around such an accutely insane idea. You are saying that if everyone is friendly and nobody destroys other people's stuff against their will that that will ultimately be the most destructive dynamic of all. You are saying that being civilized will end the world.
I like that idea. LET'S DO IT! |

Captain Tardbar
NEWB ALERT
37
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Posted - 2013.01.20 00:48:00 -
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I don't know, but today I was listening in on a voice chat and blue on blue violence occured outside a null sec station...
The dude was just flying a badger II with some high value lewts and his fellow blue decided to attack him.
He got away but was in structure. "Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby" |

Yeovilty
The Scope Gallente Federation
43
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Posted - 2013.01.20 00:50:00 -
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Kalle Demos wrote:PvP can be about attacking rats instead of players
Then it would not be PvP. |

Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1606
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Posted - 2013.01.20 00:59:00 -
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Eugene Kerner wrote:Kalle Demos wrote:Read before whining.
I was thinking about it for a few mins and well is it really a bad thing? It makes sense in a way, just imagine it for a second, everyone friends, instead of talking about who you are going to kill next, you are instead laughing at pics and articles. PvP can be about attacking rats instead of players, RP will grow like this as you can easily compare it to real life.
I think EVE will get more popular and become a lot more entertaining if we all agreed to stop shooting each other either through actual NAPs or verbal agreements.
Its a shame this will never happen :'(
Now you may whine,.. Are you stoned? I am, and I kind of get what the OP is getting at; so I'm going to assume he is too.
It would be a rather dull New Eden. However, high sec seems to be doing just fine.
A totaly blue null is just a high sec where the gankers won't get ganked by the hand of god.
I would think more people would support a CONCORD free EVE.  |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3234
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Posted - 2013.01.20 01:03:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn wrote:A totaly blue null is just a high sec where the gankers won't get ganked by the hand of god. I would think more people would support a CONCORD free EVE. 
Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |

James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
3416
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Posted - 2013.01.20 01:11:00 -
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Whitehound wrote:I imagine Fanfest turning into a Gay Parade with everyone banging everyone would be pretty bad. Why? You got something against gays? Phrases like "you can't nerf / buff X EVE is a Sandbox" have the same amount of meaning as "If this is a sack of potatoes then you can not carrot." - Alara IonStorm Want to enable BBcode on the forums? Here's how. |

Lykouleon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
612
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Posted - 2013.01.20 01:55:00 -
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Not Red Shoot It. Lykouleon > CYNO ME CLOSER SO I CAN HIT THEM WITH MY SWORD
Also, your boobs :o --áCCP Eterne, 2012.11.05 14:50 |

Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1607
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Posted - 2013.01.20 01:57:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Whitehound wrote:I imagine Fanfest turning into a Gay Parade with everyone banging everyone would be pretty bad. Why? You got something against gays? All that ********* would either be a really good time or a really bad time.
I guess it would depend what side you're on.  |

Tesal
170
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Posted - 2013.01.20 01:58:00 -
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World peace, think about it. |

Jonah Gravenstein
Overly Complex Security Innovations
5157
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Posted - 2013.01.20 02:03:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Whitehound wrote:I imagine Fanfest turning into a Gay Parade with everyone banging everyone would be pretty bad. Why? You got something against gays? All that ********* would either be a really good time or a really bad time. I guess it would depend what side you're on. 
At least 50% of the attendees would be enjoying themselves.
Always bet on stupid, CCP can't patch stupid. The measure of success in Eve is not monetary worth, it's how effectively you can bend others to your will. |

Johan Civire
Dirty Curse inc.
578
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Posted - 2013.01.20 02:08:00 -
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Kalle Demos wrote:Read before whining.
I was thinking about it for a few mins and well is it really a bad thing? It makes sense in a way, just imagine it for a second, everyone friends, instead of talking about who you are going to kill next, you are instead laughing at pics and articles. PvP can be about attacking rats instead of players, RP will grow like this as you can easily compare it to real life.
I think EVE will get more popular and become a lot more entertaining if we all agreed to stop shooting each other either through actual NAPs or verbal agreements.
Its a shame this will never happen :'(
Now you may whine,..
Well sounds borred if you ask me. The game is design to do pvp combat. But offcourse eve have more to offen then pvp combat. But all other are part of the pvp combat what ever you do its have effect in game. And its all about combat even marketing people are combating. However ccp knows that not all humans love to pvp. So the create more jobs for that kind of people.
And no i will never been nice to people ingame when i can shoot i shoot. The question why not? Because its the rule of real life? or its more to destroy that players day? no its some sort of fun. Enjoy the game thats what you need to do whining will not help you to get this game at your best needs. |

Lady Zarrina
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
56
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Posted - 2013.01.20 03:50:00 -
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We would all have to come up with a smurf themed name? Allocate resources to POS improvement |

silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
418
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Posted - 2013.01.20 04:19:00 -
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Mister S Burke wrote:Romvex wrote:Eve would not be dying, but dead. Nah, the majority of people don't play games anymore to be jerkwads with anger issues. In the future people will talk to each other like normal in game or out as many do now. I think the die hard wannabe Machiavellians are a vocal minority. I see people acting like fruitcakes just because they are online and I think "people still live like that?" You're new here, aren't you? Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
Malcanis for CSM8 |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3236
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Posted - 2013.01.20 06:14:00 -
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silens vesica wrote:Mister S Burke wrote:Romvex wrote:Eve would not be dying, but dead. Nah, the majority of people don't play games anymore to be jerkwads with anger issues. In the future people will talk to each other like normal in game or out as many do now. I think the die hard wannabe Machiavellians are a vocal minority. I see people acting like fruitcakes just because they are online and I think "people still live like that?" You're new here, aren't you? EVE is cold and harsh. It's up to us, the players, to start a fire and gather blankets.
By which I mean burn down someone's house and smother the survivors. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |

Ris Dnalor
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
427
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Posted - 2013.01.20 06:31:00 -
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Kalle Demos wrote:Read before whining.
I was thinking about it for a few mins and well is it really a bad thing? It makes sense in a way, just imagine it for a second, everyone friends, instead of talking about who you are going to kill next, you are instead laughing at pics and articles. PvP can be about attacking rats instead of players, RP will grow like this as you can easily compare it to real life.
I think EVE will get more popular and become a lot more entertaining if we all agreed to stop shooting each other either through actual NAPs or verbal agreements.
Its a shame this will never happen :'(
Now you may whine,..
You should think about it longer than a few minutes.  
But really, the "real life" you are referring to is just an illusion created by societal rules. Real life is actually a lot more like eve. Some places people use bullets, other places people use fists, or threats, or even lawyers. But people hurt people all the time to get what they want, and it works.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=118961
EvE = Everybody Vs. Everybody
- Qolde |

Veronica Kerrigan
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
70
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Posted - 2013.01.20 06:37:00 -
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OP, if you may care to direct yourself that way -----> Your friends in Hello Kitty online miss you |

Aza Ebanu
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2013.01.20 07:05:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Kalle Demos wrote:I was thinking about it for a few mins and well is it really a bad thing? 1. No more massive ship losses, which leads toGǪ 2. Complete collapse in demand for ships and modules, which leads toGǪ 3. Complete collapse of industry, which leads toGǪ 4. Complete collapse of the economy, which leads toGǪ 5. No more reason to do anything in the game, which leads toGǪ 6. Everyone leaves, which leads toGǪ 7. The end. Yes, it would be a bad thing. The entire game revolves around a war economy where the broken window fallacy is not a fallacy but the core driving factor. Removing the war and the broken windows would not have even a single good consequence. Nah you would still have ship loss to missions, Incursions sleeper and other NPCs. Plus people who cross train will want ships and modules. There would still be a market for ammo, charges, etc... |

Cyprus Black
The Learning Curve.
605
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Posted - 2013.01.20 09:36:00 -
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Kalle Demos wrote:Read before whining.
I was thinking about it for a few mins and well is it really a bad thing? It makes sense in a way, just imagine it for a second, everyone friends, instead of talking about who you are going to kill next, you are instead laughing at pics and articles. PvP can be about attacking rats instead of players, RP will grow like this as you can easily compare it to real life.
I think EVE will get more popular and become a lot more entertaining if we all agreed to stop shooting each other either through actual NAPs or verbal agreements.
Its a shame this will never happen :'(
Now you may whine,.. If everyone were blue to each other:
Nullsec stagnation (which is what we're already starting to see).
Lack of ships getting blown up means the EvE economy would crash. Huge surplus of stuff not selling because none of it is being destroyed. The entire economy is dependent on stuff breaking so industrialists can make new stuff to fill the hole. No stuff breaking = no industrialists making stuff = No money changes hands = money becomes meaningless = game economy starts to look like WoWs and D3's broken economy with their out of control inflation. Eventually the EvE economy will look like Lineage 2. By then the damage is irreparable. Trolling is like art. Anyone can finger paint, but it takes true talent to create a masterpiece. |

Glathull
Suicidal Panda Tears of Love and Death
79
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Posted - 2013.01.20 10:44:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Mister S Burke wrote:Romvex wrote:Eve would not be dying, but dead. Nah, the majority of people don't play games anymore to be jerkwads with anger issues. In the future people will talk to each other like normal in game or out as many do now. I think the die hard wannabe Machiavellians are a vocal minority. I see people acting like fruitcakes just because they are online and I think "people still live like that?" Fun fact: Miners and mission runners are the most likely to fill local with endless rage, death threats and yo mamma insults.
That's definitely not what your mom said to me this morning.
To repeat, the skill split is scheduled for the big Summer 2013 expansion. ~CCP Fozzie |

Yeovilty
The Scope Gallente Federation
44
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Posted - 2013.01.20 13:25:00 -
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Aza Ebanu wrote:Tippia wrote:Kalle Demos wrote:I was thinking about it for a few mins and well is it really a bad thing? 1. No more massive ship losses, which leads toGǪ 2. Complete collapse in demand for ships and modules, which leads toGǪ 3. Complete collapse of industry, which leads toGǪ 4. Complete collapse of the economy, which leads toGǪ 5. No more reason to do anything in the game, which leads toGǪ 6. Everyone leaves, which leads toGǪ 7. The end. Yes, it would be a bad thing. The entire game revolves around a war economy where the broken window fallacy is not a fallacy but the core driving factor. Removing the war and the broken windows would not have even a single good consequence. Nah you would still have ship loss to missions, Incursions sleeper and other NPCs. Plus people who cross train will want ships and modules. There would still be a market for ammo, charges, etc...
Pretty sure that accounts for a very, very small amount of losses. On a pure guess I'd say it's 90% PVP/ganking etc that causes ship losses. |

Dave Stark
1620
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Posted - 2013.01.20 13:30:00 -
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Yeovilty wrote:Aza Ebanu wrote:Tippia wrote:Kalle Demos wrote:I was thinking about it for a few mins and well is it really a bad thing? 1. No more massive ship losses, which leads toGǪ 2. Complete collapse in demand for ships and modules, which leads toGǪ 3. Complete collapse of industry, which leads toGǪ 4. Complete collapse of the economy, which leads toGǪ 5. No more reason to do anything in the game, which leads toGǪ 6. Everyone leaves, which leads toGǪ 7. The end. Yes, it would be a bad thing. The entire game revolves around a war economy where the broken window fallacy is not a fallacy but the core driving factor. Removing the war and the broken windows would not have even a single good consequence. Nah you would still have ship loss to missions, Incursions sleeper and other NPCs. Plus people who cross train will want ships and modules. There would still be a market for ammo, charges, etc... Pretty sure that accounts for a very, very small amount of losses. On a pure guess I'd say it's 90% PVP/ganking etc that causes ship losses.
i'd say 73.5% of percentages are completely inaccurate and pulled out of some one's ass to try and give credibility to an absurd statement. "100k for notifications of stupidity, i love this bounty system." |

Yeovilty
The Scope Gallente Federation
44
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Posted - 2013.01.20 13:42:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Yeovilty wrote:Aza Ebanu wrote:Tippia wrote:Kalle Demos wrote:I was thinking about it for a few mins and well is it really a bad thing? 1. No more massive ship losses, which leads toGǪ 2. Complete collapse in demand for ships and modules, which leads toGǪ 3. Complete collapse of industry, which leads toGǪ 4. Complete collapse of the economy, which leads toGǪ 5. No more reason to do anything in the game, which leads toGǪ 6. Everyone leaves, which leads toGǪ 7. The end. Yes, it would be a bad thing. The entire game revolves around a war economy where the broken window fallacy is not a fallacy but the core driving factor. Removing the war and the broken windows would not have even a single good consequence. Nah you would still have ship loss to missions, Incursions sleeper and other NPCs. Plus people who cross train will want ships and modules. There would still be a market for ammo, charges, etc... Pretty sure that accounts for a very, very small amount of losses. On a pure guess I'd say it's 90% PVP/ganking etc that causes ship losses. i'd say 73.5% of percentages are completely inaccurate and pulled out of some one's ass to try and give credibility to an absurd statement.
As I said, and I'll underline it for you, it was a pure guess. For someone who speaks to and tries to help the newer players out in what they want to do, even they, who are not used to EVE, lose more ships from ganking/pvp than they do from PvE. With only a little guidance, you can fit up a ship for each level of mission that is almost impossible to lose if you just pay attention. |

Spurty
V0LTA Verge of Collapse
746
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Posted - 2013.01.20 14:08:00 -
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I believe its actually the cure to the game.
I'm addicted to this game because EVE isn't 100% blue.
The day it gets even close to 40% blue, my addiction will wane and so will my desire to pay / play. --- I used to be indecisive but now I am not quite sure. |

Zhade Lezte
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
86
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Posted - 2013.01.20 19:38:00 -
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If low, null, and WH space were all blue... (and all highsec wardecs were evaded with the usual tricks that still exist today)
I would suicide gank so many things in highsec with dirt-cheap ships and modules as the game slowly died.
After this last gasp orgy of violence, everyone would probably get bored and leave, except for the most anti-PVE of highseccers.
And if they are to be believed, CCP would clearly be just fine financially with such a "silent majority" of highsec dwellers getting what they truly wanted: a PVP free game 
Assuming it didn't end there they would eventually get all the faction fit pirate BS, sansha supercarriers, and titans they could possibly want even faster than before, and then quit as the game offers nothing more for them, signing up for a new MMO to toil endlessly in for more pixelated shiny things. |

Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
480
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Posted - 2013.01.20 19:47:00 -
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Quote:Whats the worst thing that could happen if everyone was blue to each other?
Nothing but only fun.
Kill blues, tell Vile Rat.
RIP SMVR o7 |

Kalle Demos
Ironic Corp Name
46
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Posted - 2013.01.20 19:49:00 -
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Thread Twist: What if CCP made it physically impossible for alliances to have more than 1000 players through corps, introduce a cap of 500 in corps AND made it impossible to NAP people but introduced a temp and costly armistice between alliances if and when only needed? |

Bosman Galgafrak Four
Viziam Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2013.01.20 19:55:00 -
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The worst thing that would happen? You know those toy space ships we use to point out where the bad people have touched us? Those companies would go out of business. |

DARKIFRIT
Wolves and Knights The Irukandji
13
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Posted - 2013.01.20 20:02:00 -
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Kalle Demos wrote:Read before whining.
I was thinking about it for a few mins and well is it really a bad thing? It makes sense in a way, just imagine it for a second, everyone friends, instead of talking about who you are going to kill next, you are instead laughing at pics and articles. PvP can be about attacking rats instead of players, RP will grow like this as you can easily compare it to real life.
I think EVE will get more popular and become a lot more entertaining if we all agreed to stop shooting each other either through actual NAPs or verbal agreements.
Its a shame this will never happen :'(
Now you may whine,..
What about the people who take pride in short blue lists, people that actually love PVP, if everyone was blue it would be carebear paradise, but hell for everybody else..... DEATH TO THE CARE BEARS! |

Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1617
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Posted - 2013.01.20 20:03:00 -
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DARKIFRIT wrote:Kalle Demos wrote:Read before whining.
I was thinking about it for a few mins and well is it really a bad thing? It makes sense in a way, just imagine it for a second, everyone friends, instead of talking about who you are going to kill next, you are instead laughing at pics and articles. PvP can be about attacking rats instead of players, RP will grow like this as you can easily compare it to real life.
I think EVE will get more popular and become a lot more entertaining if we all agreed to stop shooting each other either through actual NAPs or verbal agreements.
Its a shame this will never happen :'(
Now you may whine,.. What about the people who take pride in short blue lists, people that actually love PVP, if everyone was blue it would be carebear paradise, but hell for everybody else..... DEATH TO THE CARE BEARS! Sounds like if everyone in null was blue, people like you would have a wonderful playground to go find people to shoot and not be punished by the hand of god. |

Bane Necran
Appono Astos
1496
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Posted - 2013.01.20 20:05:00 -
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We've seen this play out already, and the result is they begin obsessing over hisec. "The nice thing about quotes is that they give us a nodding acquaintance with the originator which is often socially impressive." ~Kenneth Williams |
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