What benefits? The "benefit" of being able to sit trillions of ISK worth of POSes and POS modules and Blueprints (not every outpost has a station, and outposts do not have HS's 20+ offices per station) in harms way in order to reap the "benefit" of paying 35k ISK/hr/line more than HS pays for the same capacity that they get cost free and risk free and effort free?

The best stuff in the game? Are you kidding?

Noxcium is constantly rising above zydrine in price, Megacyte is low as hell, and nearly all of the "high ends" of minerals are at an all-time low.

You make more if not just BARELY under mining veldspar constantly in hi-sec versus mining arkonor in nullsec. You're thought process is flawed because of the whole hi-sec vs nullsec. It needs a nerf, it demands a nerf. Nowhere have high-ends ever been this low before, not to mention that hi-sec has no isk sinks other than suicide gankers. We have sov bills, etc which is mildly alleviated with taxes and moon goo.

Seriously go back to your missions and don't whine if/when they become nerfed

Lookit dem ship and pod kills at chokepoints http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Deklein#kills24 and you wanna move freighters full of stuff through that? Imagine an area with a smaller military presence, an area known to be populated by builders and miners and industry...

What benefits? The "benefit" of being able to sit trillions of ISK worth of POSes and POS modules and Blueprints (not every outpost has a station, and outposts do not have HS's 20+ offices per station) in harms way in order to reap the "benefit" of paying 35k ISK/hr/line more than HS pays for the same capacity that they get cost free and risk free and effort free?

Highsec?!?!

But highsec has the Hand of God CONCORD

But highsec has the Hand of God CONCORD

OP, what you are asking for requires hard work, planning and effort.

Please don't expect them to actually start working on strategies for developing traditional mining and manufacturing, especially if they can't make as much as they would ratting in a null sec anom or belt.

"nullsec alliances don't know about hard work, planning and effort" - some highsec ice miner who makes 3 clicks an hour in his mackinaw

OP, what you are asking for requires hard work, planning and effort.
The null sec alliances' logistics teams have enough problems fueling all the POS's dedicated to mining and combining moongoo, the hauling it to Jita for resale, and of course the omnipresent supercap production.

Please don't expect them to actually start working on strategies for developing traditional mining and manufacturing, especially if they can't make as much as they would ratting in a null sec anom or belt.

One of the reasons that null sec leadership is pushing so hard on wiping out high sec industry is that they know their own people won't start null sec industry until high sec industry is wiped out. Necessity is the mother of invention, so to speak, because in this case, null sec industrialists won't touch it unless they are guaranteed over 100M / hour.

Yet again we have some hisec dwelling scrubbie thinking he can fix something he knows nothing about.

Cost, I incurred the same costs in hi, no risk....hardly all it takes is for another to come along and war dec to get a cheapo corp off the moon and guess what no more pos, if said cheapo corp wants to fight then they risk their pos.

Make a self sustainable POS just for null where no fuel is required, I'm onboard with that absolutely yes.

No, in HS you manufacture out of Stations. Where one system in the Forge has more station slots available than any Sov Nullsec constellation (and most, if not all, regions).

How much did it cost players to put those slots there, where nobody can cancel your jobs, lock the outputs down from you, or otherwise bother you? Nothing. And it costs 35k isk/hr/slot less than POS manufacturing in Null.

"nullsec alliances don't know about hard work, planning and effort" - some highsec ice miner who makes 3 clicks an hour in his mackinaw

You mean the high sec ice miner making 2 million / hour?

Sure, manufacturing is done in NPC stations, however have you tried doing copying or research or invention this is near impossible to get a slot without a long line up to months.

You know what makes manufacturing more difficult in hi, competition, competition is the nerf to hi sec industrial toons everybody and their mothers are manufacturing so profits are fleeting and most stuff I sell at a loss because of competition.

If life in Null sec is as tough and hard as you lot are making out, and life in high sec is more profitable, easier and such...

Why the hell are you living in null?

You mean the high sec ice miner making 2 million / hour?

You know what makes manufacturing more difficult in hi

As someone who sold my ratting character months ago and went into production in highsec to make my money, the answer to that question is "literally nothing".

I live in null because I was born here. Pod jumped to VFK on my first day. I enjoy the things we do in 0.0 and I dont like all the hoops you gotta jump through to shoot someone in highsec, I dont like gates and stations shooting at me in lowsec you cant use bubbles so it can be difficult to catch people, station games suck, etc.

I ratted for a while as a newbee to make spacemoney but I always thought that PVE in this game was p terrible. Luckily I made enough isk to buy myself a station trader and make billions casually in the free-wheeling markets of The Forge. Our unique brand of space communism replaces any strategic or peacetime ship losses I may have but my alliance needs income to support our lifestyle.

Moon goo is broken, alchemy was a pressure relief valve but alliances in 0.0 need a bottom-up source of income that comes from members living in, and utilizing their space. The current system is high value moons in the north, renters in the south and east. Living in and utilizing space has got to be more than just shooting red crosses, all we want is a little iteration, isnt that the current buzzword?

struggling for a comeback, the npc corp poster starts belting out non sequitor estimations at the hourly value of ice mining

Lol. Clearly not able to support the effort required to get 90 iceminers multiboxing, is it.

The availability of Copy and Research slots in outposts is even worse than the availability of manufacturing slots.

If you sell anything at a loss when you're manufacturing for a living, you're really terrible at this game.

By the way, Itamo has 550 station manufacturing slots. Find a region in sov Null with more than that. (A fully upgraded factory outpost has 19 slots).

A research outpost has 19 ME/PC/Copy slots to HS's 50 per station. Find a region in Sov null with more than the 480 ME research slots in the Forge. Hell, find a region in sov null that has half of that.

Then keep in mind that each of those Outposts cost ~50 Billion ISK, and you can only have 1 in a system.

The population of hi is greater then that of null, which brings this full circle, how come null isn't utilizing fully it's moons to manufacture cause even a small POS can support I believe 4 to 5 manufacturing structures each with X number of slots but someone said null indy's won't do it because they want a guarantee of a profit.

Don't want to keep BPO's / BPC's in a POS or an outpost, then have a ship with small secure cargo container with bunch of nick nacks inside too and before logging out go back climb into the ship of choice and log out in a ready safe spot in YOUR system if your not aggroed by some timer then you are safe just like cloaky nuets who harass 0.0 and log out in your system only later to reappear. (And by the way I'm not suggesting to do this with billions in BPO's / BPC's.)