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Warp Planet6
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.01.21 15:38:00 -
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Hello my fellow eve players,
I was thinking about that duelling mode aka "1 vs 1" feature that will come to hisec soon-ish.
There are many posts about pros and cons. And there are many demands for "arenas" based on that duelling mode as a restricted environment to shoot people in hisec, which is called "consensual pvp".
I for myself believe that, besides war declarations and the current ways to use Concord reaction time as a mitigation, the designated pvp-spaces lowsec and nullsec could suffer here. Or else: Why should I go to the dangerous lowsec when I can pewpew in hisec?
Now I am asking you, a part of the community who actually uses the forums, about your opinion on this. Are duels, arenas etc. as a game mechanic to do "consensual pvp" a good thing in this unique sandbox MMO called EVE Online? |

Othran
Route One
436
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Posted - 2013.01.21 15:42:00 -
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Warp Planet6 wrote:Why should I go to the dangerous lowsec when I can pewpew in hisec?
You answered your own question.
May as well scrap low-sec if it happened. |

Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din Dark Therapy
1188
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Posted - 2013.01.21 15:46:00 -
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Warp Planet6 wrote: the designated pvp-spaces lowsec and nullsec could suffer here. Or else: Why should I go to the dangerous lowsec when I can pewpew in hisec?
There are NO designated pvp spaces in Eve, pvp is only handled differently in each security state. Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |

Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
3962
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Posted - 2013.01.21 15:46:00 -
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If it's player organized, has real losses, it doesn't offer any NPC/CCP provided rewards and it can be interfered with(no instancing) it's all ok. That is just providing tools for the players to do and organize their own fun. Remove one or more of those conditions and I'd say it doesn't belong in EVE and can cause serious harm to the normal PvP activities and the wider game. |

Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting Home Front Coalition
291
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Posted - 2013.01.21 15:47:00 -
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I think such an option could privide some fun. Imagine two dudes duelling, with a third biding his time to carry out a gank as soon as one of the duelists is below 20% shields. AFAIK a dueling option doesn't have to be more difficult then generating a LE between two players when they both consent. |

Luke Visteen
Apostasy Prime
188
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Posted - 2013.01.21 15:47:00 -
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that dueling option is just a quality of life feature ... you can still get blaped by 3rd parties, it does not give you any immunity and you will lose your ship, if I understood it correctly. I don't always do. But when I do - I do. |

Ginger Barbarella
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1115
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Posted - 2013.01.21 15:47:00 -
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I especially liked the part where you created a whole new thread after admitting there were already plenty on the topic.
Good job. Darwin Award winner. "Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." -á --- Sorlac |

Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din Dark Therapy
1188
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Posted - 2013.01.21 15:49:00 -
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Ginger Barbarella wrote:I
Good job. Darwin Award winner.
He DIED? My god, Im staying off the forums if you die when badposting.
Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |

Warp Planet6
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
10
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Posted - 2013.01.21 16:06:00 -
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Rico Minali wrote:Warp Planet6 wrote: the designated pvp-spaces lowsec and nullsec could suffer here. Or else: Why should I go to the dangerous lowsec when I can pewpew in hisec? There are NO designated pvp spaces in Eve, pvp is only handled differently in each security state.
Agreed. I have expressed myself in a bad way here.
So, question still is: How does that arena-pvp thing affect the open influence structure of eve, especially pvp-wise?
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Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din Dark Therapy
1188
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Posted - 2013.01.21 16:10:00 -
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Warp Planet6 wrote:Rico Minali wrote:Warp Planet6 wrote: the designated pvp-spaces lowsec and nullsec could suffer here. Or else: Why should I go to the dangerous lowsec when I can pewpew in hisec? There are NO designated pvp spaces in Eve, pvp is only handled differently in each security state. Agreed. I have expressed myself in a bad way here. So, question still is: How does that arena-pvp thing affect the open influence structure of eve, especially pvp-wise?
It wont tbh, people who want 'competition' style pvp will use the arenas (if tehy ever happen) and dueling mechanics. The people who fight for power and gain (most alliances) will carry on as normal.
Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |

Wacktopia
Noir. Black Legion.
443
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Posted - 2013.01.21 16:25:00 -
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To be honest, Arena PvP in EVE seems a little moot.
Part of the thrill and excitement of PvP in EVE is that at any given moment you might get unexpected outcomes and parties to your fight. This makes the experience emergent and exciting.
If a group want an "Arena" for fighting then there is a test server, which is ideal for tournament-style play because you can find a private system easily and all the items cost 100 ISK.
CCP market EVE on the basis of fighting for a reason - just look at pretty-much every release trailer video. I believe they would better-spend time working out cool ways of finding good reasons to fight rather than just sticking in an arena. The bottom line is that now I have one of those annoying signatures. |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
12765
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Posted - 2013.01.21 16:31:00 -
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Warp Planet6 wrote:I for myself believe that, besides war declarations and the current ways to use Concord reaction time as a mitigation, the designated pvp-spaces lowsec and nullsec could suffer here. GǪexcept, of course, that low and null are no more Gǣdesignated pvp-spacesGǥ than highsec are.
The request for arenas has been around since roughly forever, and it has been rejected for just as long for the simple reason that it doesn't fit with the theme of EVE. The new duel mode has nothing to do with arenas, and is simply a replacement mechanic for what was lost with the introduction of the new Crimwatch flagging system. Vote Malcanis for CSM8. |

Reppyk
Yarrbear Inc. BricK sQuAD.
328
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Posted - 2013.01.21 16:32:00 -
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Rico Minali wrote:He DIED? My god, Im staying off the forums if you die when badposting.
I don't have to die to win a Darwin Award.  |

Karrl Tian
Exiled Assassins Equestria Alliance
161
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Posted - 2013.01.21 16:33:00 -
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Inxentas Ultramar wrote:I think such an option could privide some fun. Imagine two dudes duelling, with a third biding his time to carry out a gank as soon as one of the duelists is below 20% shields. AFAIK a dueling option doesn't have to be more difficult then generating a LE between two players when they both consent.
Scenario. A mach and a nightmare are dueling, both go deep into structure. Finally the mach wins and CCP's dueling systme stops the duel at 1hp (just like the WoW model they want to emulate for some weird reason.) But scarcely do they have time to exchange GFs before a dozen catalysts warp in and pop them both. |

Bane Necran
Appono Astos
1500
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Posted - 2013.01.21 16:40:00 -
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Karrl Tian wrote:A mach and a nightmare are dueling, both go deep into structure. Finally the mach wins and CCP's dueling systme stops the duel at 1hp (just like the WoW model they want to emulate for some weird reason.) But scarcely do they have time to exchange GFs before a dozen catalysts warp in and pop them both.
If they were at 1hp a single rookie ship could pop them both. 
Don't see how or why everyone thinks they're trying to copy WoW, though. It means more ship combat on top of all there already is. They're not making things safer or more noob friendly in any way. "The nice thing about quotes is that they give us a nodding acquaintance with the originator which is often socially impressive." ~Kenneth Williams |

Merouk Baas
450
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Posted - 2013.01.21 16:43:00 -
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Warp Planet6 wrote:Why should I go to the dangerous lowsec when I can pewpew in hisec?
Unfortunately, many don't go into lowsec at all, they just stay in high-sec, and this isn't aimed at lowsec or null PVP'ers.
It's like the local supermarket having a bartender/server there to open alcohol beverages for you to taste. It ain't a night club / high end bar, and it's not $1000 Bottle Service; celebrities won't come. But the regular supermarket shoppers might, just might, flock to it. |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3255
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Posted - 2013.01.21 16:54:00 -
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Karrl Tian wrote:Inxentas Ultramar wrote:I think such an option could privide some fun. Imagine two dudes duelling, with a third biding his time to carry out a gank as soon as one of the duelists is below 20% shields. AFAIK a dueling option doesn't have to be more difficult then generating a LE between two players when they both consent. Scenario. A mach and a nightmare are dueling, both go deep into structure. Finally the mach wins and CCP's dueling systme stops the duel at 1hp (just like the WoW model they want to emulate for some weird reason.) But scarcely do they have time to exchange GFs before a dozen catalysts warp in and pop them both. Then I guess we need to make them invulnerable for a while after the duel. Long enough to warp. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |

Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
538
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Posted - 2013.01.21 16:55:00 -
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if that duelling bullshit hits tq....I really not know what to do then... Fixing something crimewatch broke with another broken mechanic...I just wait for duelling flags appear out of nowhere and a scenario were both fighters keep their ships. If you cut a board and it is still too short you probably should not have become a carpenter.
WOW it down further and a lot of people will just leave.
"Also, your boobs " -á CCP Eterne, 2012
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Lipbite
Express Hauler
599
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Posted - 2013.01.21 17:00:00 -
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Arenas won't make EVE PvP more attractive for me though they will allow to burn more ships - which is good for economy. So I think it's ok.
And if low-sec will be less populated as a result of arenas implementation - it's ok for me too because it will make exploration more accessible. |

Rengerel en Distel
Amarr Science and Industry
1056
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Posted - 2013.01.21 17:04:00 -
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Eugene Kerner wrote:if that duelling bullshit hits tq....I really not know what to do then... Fixing something crimewatch broke with another broken mechanic...I just wait for duelling flags appear out of nowhere and a scenario were both fighters keep their ships. If you cut a board and it is still too short you probably should not have become a carpenter.
WOW it down further and a lot of people will just leave.
Not exactly sure how it's a broken mechanic when it does exactly what it says it will do. You're the one expecting it to snowball into WoW duels.
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Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
538
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Posted - 2013.01.21 17:07:00 -
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Lipbite wrote:Arenas won't make EVE PvP more attractive for me though they will allow to burn more ships - which is good for economy. So I think it's ok.
And if low-sec will be less populated as a result of arenas implementation - it's ok for me too because it will make exploration more accessible.
Says empty
"Also, your boobs " -á CCP Eterne, 2012
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Roime
Shiva Furnace
1734
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Posted - 2013.01.21 17:19:00 -
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Why do we need games inside a game?
Why do we have to turn the one, unique aspect of this sandbox into a meaningless sport, served at the comfort of hisec?
-á- All I really wanted was to build a castle among the stars - |

Rordan D'Kherr
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
406
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Posted - 2013.01.21 18:27:00 -
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I for myself wait for the ability to fly through "dangerous" space safely because I haven't set my pvp flag. Consensual pvp and all... _______________________________________ Don't be scared, because being afk is not a crime. |

Google Voices
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2013.01.21 18:35:00 -
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Warp Planet6 wrote:Hello my fellow eve players, I was thinking about that duelling mode aka "1 vs 1" feature that will come to hisec soon-ish. There are many posts about pros and cons. And there are many demands for "arenas" based on that duelling mode as a restricted environment to shoot people in hisec, which is called "consensual pvp". I for myself believe that, besides war declarations and the current ways to use Concord reaction time as a mitigation, the designated pvp-spaces lowsec and nullsec could suffer here. Or else: Why should I go to the dangerous lowsec when I can pewpew in hisec? Now I am asking you, a part of the community who actually uses the forums, about your opinion on this. Are duels, arenas etc. as a game mechanic to do "consensual pvp" a good thing in this unique sandbox MMO called EVE Online?
What were you thinking about? They are simply reintroducing the can flipping option. It's not dueling when other people can and will interfere....
I am the voices of Google! Want answers? Learn to read...... |

Kalanaja
Dog Nation United PNG Associates
27
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Posted - 2013.01.21 19:09:00 -
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It just makes it so two people can fight. As the poster above me said. It reintroduces the can flip fighting from before. Dueling does not mean the fight is over when one person or the other is at structure or 1hp left. Like normal, the duelists can still blow each others ships up. They did not add any wowish mechanics to stop a fight before the ships would actually explode. And someone can still come up and conduct ganking operations if they so wish with the normal mechanics of consequences applying. |

Sura Sadiva
Entropic Tactical Crew
193
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Posted - 2013.01.21 20:02:00 -
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The duelling thing is horrible.
As open world PvP EvE never had specific areas designed for combat or not. What changes are the consequences of it for the player according to the system security status. So is a blunt and objective mechanics: no matter who you are, no matter what you want, if you aggress illegaly Concord blow you up, your sec status get a penality and so on...
Duelling system slightly shift the focus of this from an objective logic to the players decisions and consent; it's an inverion of the previouslogic; it's a little step closer to consneual PvP.
Next step will be the already announced duelling system for fleets. Then everything will be ready for the change.
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Sarah Schneider
PonyWaffe Test Alliance Please Ignore
1828
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Posted - 2013.01.21 20:06:00 -
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Destination SkillQueue wrote:If it's player organized, has real losses, it doesn't offer any NPC/CCP provided rewards and it can be interfered with(no instancing) it's all ok. That is just providing tools for the players to do and organize their own fun. Remove one or more of those conditions and I'd say it doesn't belong in EVE and can cause serious harm to the normal PvP activities and the wider game. This. Not empty quoting.
If Eve "arenas" met these requirements, I'm fine with it. Otherwise, it's a huge no no. "I'd rather have other players-áget shot by other players than not interacting with others" -CCP Soundwave |

FourierTransformer
8
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Posted - 2013.01.21 20:11:00 -
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-Structured 1v1's already exist. See RvB. -Structured 1v1's have not destroyed other forms of pvp. Again, see RvB. -Duel 1v1's are not without risk. Both parties can receive neutral reps at the cost of suspect status for the reppers. Both parties are susceptible to all forms of high sec ganking e.g. tornado alpha fleets popping shiny expensive ships.
The proposed 1v1's are scarcely any different from the can flipping 1v1's available in expansions prior to crimewatch. You could get neutral reps and ganks in those as well. And the PvP community at large was FINE with can flipping for the most part.
The proposed changes are not adding a new feature, they are re-instituting an old one.
The ONLY thing that changed is the obfuscation of mechanics. The new dueling system will be more transparent then the old one, and transparency is a good thing, particularly for newer players. |

Google Voices
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2013.01.21 20:22:00 -
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Sura Sadiva wrote:The duelling thing is horrible.
As open world PvP EvE never had specific areas designed for combat or not. What changes are the consequences of it for the player according to the system security status. So is a blunt and objective mechanics: no matter who you are, no matter what you want, if you aggress illegaly Concord blow you up, your sec status get a penality and so on...
Duelling system slightly shift the focus of this from an objective logic to the players decisions and consent; it's an inverion of the previouslogic; it's a little step closer to consneual PvP.
Next step will be the already announced duelling system for fleets. Then everything will be ready for the change.
This has been in game for years....it's called "can flipping".....
All they are doing is reintroducing an already broken mechanic that they broke with the crimewatch patch.... I am the voices of Google! Want answers? Learn to read...... |

Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
1646
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Posted - 2013.01.21 21:05:00 -
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CCP, when are you implementing Pandas? Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
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