Why should I go to the dangerous lowsec when I can pewpew in hisec?

the designated pvp-spaces lowsec and nullsec could suffer here. Or else: Why should I go to the dangerous lowsec when I can pewpew in hisec?

Hello my fellow eve players,

I was thinking about that duelling mode aka "1 vs 1" feature that will come to hisec soon-ish.

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Good job. Darwin Award winner.

There are NO designated pvp spaces in Eve, pvp is only handled differently in each security state.

Agreed. I have expressed myself in a bad way here.

So, question still is: How does that arena-pvp thing affect the open influence structure of eve, especially pvp-wise?

I for myself believe that, besides war declarations and the current ways to use Concord reaction time as a mitigation, the designated pvp-spaces lowsec and nullsec could suffer here.

He DIED? My god, Im staying off the forums if you die when badposting.

I think such an option could privide some fun. Imagine two dudes duelling, with a third biding his time to carry out a gank as soon as one of the duelists is below 20% shields. AFAIK a dueling option doesn't have to be more difficult then generating a LE between two players when they both consent.

A mach and a nightmare are dueling, both go deep into structure. Finally the mach wins and CCP's dueling systme stops the duel at 1hp (just like the WoW model they want to emulate for some weird reason.) But scarcely do they have time to exchange GFs before a dozen catalysts warp in and pop them both.

Why should I go to the dangerous lowsec when I can pewpew in hisec?

Scenario. A mach and a nightmare are dueling, both go deep into structure. Finally the mach wins and CCP's dueling systme stops the duel at 1hp (just like the WoW model they want to emulate for some weird reason.) But scarcely do they have time to exchange GFs before a dozen catalysts warp in and pop them both.

if that duelling bullshit hits tq....I really not know what to do then...
Fixing something crimewatch broke with another broken mechanic...I just wait for duelling flags appear out of nowhere and a scenario were both fighters keep their ships.
If you cut a board and it is still too short you probably should not have become a carpenter.

WOW it down further and a lot of people will just leave.

Arenas won't make EVE PvP more attractive for me though they will allow to burn more ships - which is good for economy. So I think it's ok.

And if low-sec will be less populated as a result of arenas implementation - it's ok for me too because it will make exploration more accessible.

Hello my fellow eve players,

I was thinking about that duelling mode aka "1 vs 1" feature that will come to hisec soon-ish.

There are many posts about pros and cons. And there are many demands for "arenas" based on that duelling mode as a restricted environment to shoot people in hisec, which is called "consensual pvp".

I for myself believe that, besides war declarations and the current ways to use Concord reaction time as a mitigation, the designated pvp-spaces lowsec and nullsec could suffer here. Or else: Why should I go to the dangerous lowsec when I can pewpew in hisec?

Now I am asking you, a part of the community who actually uses the forums, about your opinion on this. Are duels, arenas etc. as a game mechanic to do "consensual pvp" a good thing in this unique sandbox MMO called EVE Online?

If it's player organized, has real losses, it doesn't offer any NPC/CCP provided rewards and it can be interfered with(no instancing) it's all ok. That is just providing tools for the players to do and organize their own fun. Remove one or more of those conditions and I'd say it doesn't belong in EVE and can cause serious harm to the normal PvP activities and the wider game.

The duelling thing is horrible.

As open world PvP EvE never had specific areas designed for combat or not. What changes are the consequences of it for the player according to the system security status. So is a blunt and objective mechanics: no matter who you are, no matter what you want, if you aggress illegaly Concord blow you up, your sec status get a penality and so on...

Duelling system slightly shift the focus of this from an objective logic to the players decisions and consent; it's an inverion of the previouslogic; it's a little step closer to consneual PvP.

Next step will be the already announced duelling system for fleets. Then everything will be ready for the change.

Why should I go to the dangerous lowsec when I can pewpew in hisec?

first they put in a 'duel mechanic'
next they put in a mechanic to make the concord waiver expire when one of the ships enters structure to ensure honoure combat among the 'duelling community'.
after that will be gradual phasing out/non-iteration of highsec PvP because 'PvPers can duel each other if they want to PVP, i want to mine ore'

Well, so far it's been nearly a decade between the first and the second step in that chain of eventsGǪ and it may well be another ten before it actually happens. That would put that phase-out on schedule for 2050 or so.

Well, so far it's been nearly a decade between the first and the second step in that chain of eventsGǪ and it may well be another ten before it actually happens. That would put that phase-out on schedule for 2050 or so.

Why should I go to the dangerous lowsec when I can pewpew in hisec?

This has been in game for years....it's called "can flipping".....
All they are doing is reintroducing an already broken mechanic that they broke with the crimewatch patch....

Because...

Because if you decide to live in high sec with all the advantages, safety and benefits of high sec you have to renounche to something; cannot have everything for free.

As well as people living in low, null, or WH renounce to some high sec benefits.


More safety = less freedom

Scenario. A mach and a nightmare are dueling, both go deep into structure. Finally the mach wins and CCP's dueling systme stops the duel at 1hp (just like the WoW model they want to emulate for some weird reason.) But scarcely do they have time to exchange GFs before a dozen catalysts warp in and pop them both.

Technically that is the whole point between Red vs Blue (and they have a gentleman's agreement not to pod each other).
Does the fact that exists make you mad?

The arena has been around for years it's called alliance tourney. Also it would be great. No more idiots camping undock with cans. You can also make wagers based on odds. Fight outside of your class and get good rewards or pack back on bets.

i totally aprove organizated duels, i know eve is about non consensual PvEpeen, but hey, as long as i can battle in a rookie without having to travel to low/null.....i go for it.

"literally all changes must be put in perspective within EVE's 10 year span" - some idiot

For 9 years, hisec had can flipping duels. During that time Nullsec Empires rose, fell, rose, and fell again. Lowsec thrived, and became a depopulated wasteland, and thrived again.

Honestly, I think 9 years of evidence proves the naysayers wrong.

wtf does one have to do with the other!?!??!

wtf does one have to do with the other!?!??!

This is a terrible idea, as op said why leave high sec when you can safely pvp there. Eve pvp is great because of all the sneaky tactics, chasing, baiting etc... Arenas are just plain dumb in this game.

So what's wrong with duels in lowsec?

So what's wrong with duels in lowsec?

So you can have it in lowsec, but want it in hisec. But why?

Your question makes no sense.

I could just as easily say:
So you can have it in nullsec, but want it in lowsec. But why?

Or better still:
So you can have it in wormhole space, but want it in nullsec. But why?

The answer is really easy:

Lowsec - no concord
Nullsec - no concord
WH-space - no concord

Why do you want it in hisec so desperately? Looking at this I find it even more alienating to the game to have "no concord" in hisec. I could understand if it would be a kind of mini-wardec (with same mechanic), but this casual-pvp in a safe environment is really... not so Eve.

Now I am asking you, a part of the community who actually uses the forums, about your opinion on this. Are duels, arenas etc. as a game mechanic to do "consensual pvp" a good thing in this unique sandbox MMO called EVE Online?

Honour duels are stupid.

It seems CCP is going with the most simple and sensible option.

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