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Herr Wilkus Aggressive Salvage Services LLC Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service 577	Posted - 2013.01.23 03:08:00 - [1] - Quote One feature that I noticed has been phased in recently: Increased information about ISK values of stacked items. While its only an estimation, its quite convenient tool for any trader/industrialist to quickly estimate the value of a load of items before you sell them or move them. I'd like to see this function added to the Cargo Scanners as well. Would be nice to be able to simply 'mouse-over' the listed items in an given cargo ship and get a snap assessment of the value, without time consuming clicks or mental math. After all, when ganking for profit, seconds count, and time wasted attempting to figure out the value of a given target is worth, is time that could have been spend better coordinating a successful gank......insuring the kill. While most gankers are pretty good at quickly estimating values of items that are carried to and fro across New Eden..... but sometimes..... you just can't quite remember the value of a few things....or the list is quite long with tons of low-value items. Seeing as how this feature has been widely introduced - I'd hate to see us miss out. TLDR: Bring 'mouse-over' ISK estimation functionality to the Cargo Scanner, as implemented in the inventory system.
Arugas Koken Peregrine Guard 23	Posted - 2013.01.23 03:18:00 - [2] - Quote I'm not a ganker but i see value in this.
Some Rando University of Caille Gallente Federation 785	Posted - 2013.01.23 03:24:00 - [3] - Quote We have it elsewhere, why not in the scan results? Good idea Wilkus. Malcanis for CSM8
Tyberius Franklin Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 598	Posted - 2013.01.23 03:27:00 - [4] - Quote Makes sense. Don't see why not.
Galaxy Pig New Order Logistics CODE. 655	Posted - 2013.01.23 03:28:00 - [5] - Quote Yup, supported. +1 good idea.
Cindy Marco Expanse Security 107	Posted - 2013.01.23 04:40:00 - [6] - Quote Even though I know how its going to be used I have to say its a good idea. If the other parts of the UI can do it, the scanner should as well. I'm sure there are people who would appreciate it.
Super spikinator Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 44	Posted - 2013.01.23 04:50:00 - [7] - Quote Herr Wilkus wrote: One feature that I noticed has been phased in recently: Increased information about ISK values of stacked items. While its only an estimation, its quite convenient tool for any trader/industrialist to quickly estimate the value of a load of items before you sell them or move them. I'd like to see this function added to the Cargo Scanners as well. Would be nice to be able to simply 'mouse-over' the listed items in an given cargo ship and get a snap assessment of the value, without time consuming clicks or mental math. After all, when ganking for profit, seconds count, and time wasted attempting to figure out the value of a given target is worth, is time that could have been spend better coordinating a successful gank......insuring the kill. While most gankers are pretty good at quickly estimating values of items that are carried to and fro across New Eden..... but sometimes..... you just can't quite remember the value of a few things....or the list is quite long with tons of low-value items. Seeing as how this feature has been widely introduced - I'd hate to see us miss out. TLDR: Bring 'mouse-over' ISK estimation functionality to the Cargo Scanner, as implemented in the inventory system. I see no point in scanning. Just suicide them down and let the loot fairy sort the rest. edit: I have nutrition on my mind that was meant to be fairy.
Lord Mandelor Caldari Provisions Caldari State 151	Posted - 2013.01.23 05:02:00 - [8] - Quote This seems like a good idea to save time, similar to mousing over modules they added in. www.youtube.com/mandaloregaming
Wescro Tash-Murkon Amalgamated Security 180	Posted - 2013.01.23 05:04:00 - [9] - Quote I support it. Also, in the same vein, can ship scanners please show the EHP figure found in the fitting window. This thread is awful and it should be locked.
Rix Moore PharmaDyne Technologies 0	Posted - 2013.01.23 05:28:00 - [10] - Quote I support this, it should have been included from the start.
enterprisePSI 168	Posted - 2013.01.23 09:52:00 - [11] - Quote Herr Wilkus wrote: Bring 'mouse-over' ISK estimation functionality to the Cargo Scanner, as implemented in the inventory system. I support this product and or service. Wescro wrote: I support it. Also, in the same vein, can ship scanners please show the EHP figure found in the fitting window. I support this product and or service. The tears of the many, outweight the tears of the few. Or the one. enterprise-psi-¬ I made tweet, Y U NO FOLLOW!!!
Turelus Caldari Independent Navy Reserve The Fourth District 228	Posted - 2013.01.23 10:09:00 - [12] - Quote NPC corps sure support this idea a lot Might as well, everyone knows what it's wanted for. Means more people can get in on the ganking because they don't need to sit and do some math first. "Don't count on others for help. In the end each of us is in this alone. The survivors are those who know how to look out for themselves."
Tul Breetai Impromptu Asset Requisition Insurance Fraud. 169	Posted - 2013.01.23 10:11:00 - [13] - Quote HTFU There's nothing worse than an EVE player, generally considered to be top of the food chain in the MMO world, that cannot smacktalk with wit and coherency.
Pak Narhoo Splinter Foundation 878	Posted - 2013.01.23 10:17:00 - [14] - Quote Only if you get a suspect tag in exchange. Hi, I'm CCP Arrow, I screwed up the.. ummm...
Buhhdust Princess Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships. 417	Posted - 2013.01.23 10:21:00 - [15] - Quote +1, Good idea!
Whitehound 442	Posted - 2013.01.23 10:23:00 - [16] - Quote No need to make this an extra thread. Slap your idea onto the mega-thread that's floating around on the first or second page here in GD. Your idea is simple enough and should not be difficult to add to the game. Inappropriate signature removed. - The Pope, , CIA and CCP.*
Barrogh Habalu Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire 391	Posted - 2013.01.23 12:31:00 - [17] - Quote If we have it in inventory window, I don't see why we can't when it comes to window of another ship's inventory. aka scan results.
Seleia O'Sinnor Drop of Honey 304	Posted - 2013.01.23 12:38:00 - [18] - Quote In case this happens, I'll consider a hisec ganker career. So I can stay in Hisec, feel safe, while being a threat to all others. And finally can switch sides in EGD. New inventory: Getting better since version 1.2, but what about back and forward buttons?
Alice Saki 28517	Posted - 2013.01.23 12:39:00 - [19] - Quote Makes Sense, And Gankers need some Love... Come to OOPE, 99% Troll Resistance
War Kitten Panda McLegion 1669	Posted - 2013.01.23 12:43:00 - [20] - Quote enterprisePSI wrote: Herr Wilkus wrote: Bring 'mouse-over' ISK estimation functionality to the Cargo Scanner, as implemented in the inventory system. I support this product and or service. Wescro wrote: I support it. Also, in the same vein, can ship scanners please show the EHP figure found in the fitting window. I support this product and or service. Both of these ideas are fantastic. +2 I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all.
bbb2020 Carebears with Attitude 31	Posted - 2013.01.23 21:42:00 - [21] - Quote Now Herr Wilkus Arn't you one of the advocates that continuing to frown over everything that makes life easier for players, saying it's dumping down the game. And still; here you are, suggesting something to make life easier for some players. I don't know if I can support that. On the other hand, I see no reason why your suggestion shouldn't be implemented.
terzslave RedStar Enterprises RA Citizens 136	Posted - 2013.01.24 07:26:00 - [22] - Quote Oh god the speed with which haulers could be evaluated for the gank..............I jizzed.
baltec1 Bat Country 4895	Posted - 2013.01.24 07:58:00 - [23] - Quote Well this thread went down better than I was expecting...
Herr Wilkus Aggressive Salvage Services LLC Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service 591	Posted - 2013.01.24 08:36:00 - [24] - Quote baltec1 wrote: Well this thread went down better than I was expecting... No kidding. I half expected it to be carebear troll-bait. Maybe the 'anti-ganker' brigade is trolling me by supporting this idea and confusing the hell out of me.
Vaerah Vahrokha Vahrokh Consulting 3738	Posted - 2013.01.24 09:52:00 - [25] - Quote Wescro wrote: I support it. Also, in the same vein, can ship scanners please show the EHP figure found in the fitting window. And why not, also print the ship resists? And maybe place an arrow next to the best ammo to use. Auditing \| Collateral holding and insurance \| Consulting \| PLEX for Good Charity Twitter channel
Vaal Erit Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 464	Posted - 2013.01.24 09:56:00 - [26] - Quote There's a third party tool that basically does this already. Oh you don't know about it? noob pirate.
Vera Algaert Republic University Minmatar Republic 715	Posted - 2013.01.24 10:14:00 - [27] - Quote Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: Wescro wrote: I support it. Also, in the same vein, can ship scanners please show the EHP figure found in the fitting window. And why not, also print the ship resists? And maybe place an arrow next to the best ammo to use. because copy & paste of the cargo scanner results into goonmetrics is so much more intelligent gameplay than getting the number displayed directly in client... ccan't allow EVE to be "dumbed down", can we? I'm a NPC corp alt, any argument I make is invalid.
Vaerah Vahrokha Vahrokh Consulting 3739	Posted - 2013.01.24 10:26:00 - [28] - Quote Vera Algaert wrote: Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: Wescro wrote: I support it. Also, in the same vein, can ship scanners please show the EHP figure found in the fitting window. And why not, also print the ship resists? And maybe place an arrow next to the best ammo to use. because copy & paste of the cargo scanner results into goonmetrics is so much more intelligent gameplay than getting the number displayed directly in client... ccan't allow EVE to be "dumbed down", can we? We can even make it easier and put scripts optimizing gameplay and playing for us. Where would the escalation to simplicity end? Where's the skill in a mini-game profession when you take away all the randomness and even the "fatigue" involved with it? Putting an estimated value on a cargo scanner could be fair enough, expecially since those estimates are usually wrong by a good margin and a best player would still make his own math before opening fire. And thus a diversity between mediocre vs best gankers would still exist. But that's it. All those 3rd party tools are a damage to EvE more than a help, because they mimick the effects of the WoW add ons. There are so many that the game ends up playing for you, thinking for you. It's also a major reason why EvE is now so streamlined and plain boring. Only fun still to be had is in situational PvP and contracts (and CCP removed most stuff from them already). It's why I am playing another sandbox game too, with close to zero documentation and just 1 external app. Gives way more satisfaction to beat the next guy because of YOUR skill not because of double clicking an app. Auditing \| Collateral holding and insurance \| Consulting \| PLEX for Good Charity Twitter channel
Herr Wilkus Aggressive Salvage Services LLC Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service 602	Posted - 2013.01.24 11:18:00 - [29] - Quote Its a fair point, dumbing down the game is a bad thing. One size fits all Exhumers, etc. etc. However, to a large extent, that horse has already left the barn. We are living in the Crimewatch 2.0 era now, baby. TBH, I didn't even know about goonmetrics..... I just realized that the 'improved' inventory system, as terrible as it is, did have the convenient addition of 'mouse-over' ISK estimates. As a trader, I could appreciate that. Sure, I could sit there with a calculator and figure it all out manually - but i'm not sure if forcing people to do lots of arithmatic just to estimate the value of a pile of goods in your hangar is 'value added' gameplay. As a ganker, however, I could see that ability being much more useful tied to the cargo scanner interface. Sitting in the hangar, I've got plenty of time to calculate. Scanning at a gate, time is of the essence, especially when coordinating with others in fleet. Why streamline things for traders and industrialists, but force gankers get to do math in their head? (or cut and paste to a 3rd party app?). The streamlining has occurred, lets just apply it for everyone. As far as 'buffs' are concerned, its a fairly mild one - simply a common sense UI improvement.
Zaknussem Everybody Loves Donuts 20	Posted - 2013.01.24 13:37:00 - [30] - Quote Adding item value estimates to Cargo Scanners? I don't see why not, as long as this is done EVERYWHERE else where applicable. I think it already is. Adding EHP numbers to Cargo Scanners? No. Just no. Two reasons: # This is something the Ship Scanner should do, not the Cargo Scanner. Yes, that requires that you have two modules installed instead of one. Boo-hoo. # Just how accurate do you want those EHP numbers? The basic number based on the ship and modules, or do you want player skill levels and/or implants included, maybe fleet bonuses as well? Whatever the case, this will be a database query I can imagine will make the server break down and cry. I doubt it'll ever be implemented.
March rabbit Aliastra 507	Posted - 2013.01.24 13:52:00 - [31] - Quote Herr Wilkus wrote: I'd like to see this function added to the Cargo Scanners as well. Would be nice to be able to simply 'mouse-over' the listed items in an given cargo ship and get a snap assessment of the value, without time consuming clicks or mental math. why not add function: remove selected stuff from target cargobay and move it into your one?
March rabbit Aliastra 507	Posted - 2013.01.24 13:53:00 - [32] - Quote Wescro wrote: I support it. Also, in the same vein, can ship scanners please show the EHP figure found in the fitting window. won't be 100% useful without advice about damage profile needed and prediction how long it will take to you to blow this thing
Vlodovich The Professors of Trouser Pastry 9	Posted - 2013.01.26 17:17:00 - [33] - Quote Makes sense! Great idea!!
Scatim Helicon GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1491	Posted - 2013.01.26 18:51:00 - [34] - Quote Zaknussem raises a fair point about EHP - the skills of the pilot being scanned can make a big difference to the total, and I don't think it would be reasonable for a ship scan to (even if indirectly) reveal the training level of a character. ISK value mouseover? Yeah, sure. Intentionally pushing players to copy-paste into external tools just so they can obtain simple information is just bad game design. Titans were never meant to be "cost effective", its a huge **.-á- CCP Oveur, 2006 ~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever.
Captain Tardbar NEWB ALERT 48	Posted - 2013.01.26 18:59:00 - [35] - Quote Wescro wrote: I support it. Also, in the same vein, can ship scanners please show the EHP figure found in the fitting window. But then you'd take the uncertainty out of ganking. That's half the fun. "Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby". If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down.
Guttripper State War Academy Caldari State 203	Posted - 2013.01.26 19:15:00 - [36] - Quote Pretty good idea actually... and it made me consider a counter skill. Masking - Electronic skill with a rank of 3 or 4 Primary - Intelligence, Secondary - Memory Skill at hiding the value of cargo items as seen my cargo scanners. A 10% reduction of value per skill level. Or CCP could introduce a low slot cargo module with a small cargo hold total (or another skill) that smuggles (hides) a few items placed within from all forms of scanning with only the owner being able to see them. Just some ideas.
MadMuppet Three Fish In A Box 733	Posted - 2013.01.26 19:30:00 - [37] - Quote Wescro wrote: I support it. Also, in the same vein, can ship scanners please show the EHP figure found in the fitting window. Don't forget recommending ammo type as well as activate your modules. November 6th, 2012 "With this in mind, it becomes quite obvious to focus on training the Destroyers and Battlecruisers skills before the change to get the maximum return effect. We highly recommend you start doing so now." --á CCP Ytterbium from:-áhttp://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=73530
Xen Solarus Inner 5phere 273	Posted - 2013.01.26 22:02:00 - [38] - Quote Wow, with this added, you guys can get even more risk-free kills to make yourself rich and feel awesome about your L33T PvP skills. I doubt you'll ever have to leave highsec again!

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