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Morning Maniac
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Posted - 2005.07.04 10:02:00 -
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Hi, I know it's early but if prices of parts bpos and ships will stay as they are I won't be able to afford all the construction component bpos and a ship bpo. According to the info I've got the total package would be about 18 billion ISk.
Therefore I was wondering if anyone would be interested to team up to build these large ships. This could be rather informal, I just want to make sure that not everyone is building the same bits and none of the others are being built.
At the moment I'm based in the Nourvukaiken system but with the map changes I might have to relocate a bit.
MM
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Lufio II
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Posted - 2005.07.04 12:46:00 -
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Edited by: Lufio II on 04/07/2005 12:49:49
MSSI would be interested to join your venture, as we were planning on getting into the field of Capital ship production as well (primary Amarrian, to begin with).
We are currently based in Zanka, a small pocket within the Domain Region not very far away from Amarr.
Contact me ingame via EVE-Mail or channel MSSI
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Jubeli
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Posted - 2005.07.06 06:47:00 -
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Well I'm very interested in a joint venture on Capitol ship production and we are ready to start off with BPOs, both will probably be components to start with or one component and one freighter. The two components we would look at are two used in freighters.
So maybe do an official post to look for partners in a joint venture.
I might pop in to your channel or you can EVE-mail me.
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s73v3n2k
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Posted - 2005.07.06 11:22:00 -
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I am also looking for component builders so far i already have a gallante freighter BPO and a cargo bay component BPO if you would like to merge on this please contact me in game.
Due to research and building times i plan to start builing my components in about a week or so and a week or two after that i will start building the freighters.
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Orvan Shrink
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Posted - 2005.07.06 11:42:00 -
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Edited by: Orvan Shrink on 06/07/2005 11:43:42
Hi! We will buy a capital constructions parts bpo. Would be great if we can coordinate a nice production tree 
Eve-mail plz to: AlvynNevins
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Jubeli
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Posted - 2005.07.06 12:34:00 -
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Well the BPO's that are in mind here are the Capital Armor plate, Capital Construction Parts and/or the Minnie Freighter. I will let you know what is decided for the isk we have as soon as I hear from my team.
Oh and the most important part, we got very dedicated miners :)
Morning, you feel like calling shotgun on the propulsion construction part BPO maybe? Something else? =)
Someone need to call shotgun on the dreads and the other freighters aswell.
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Taku
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Posted - 2005.07.06 16:03:00 -
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Where are these BPOs on the market?
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s73v3n2k
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Posted - 2005.07.06 16:27:00 -
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 Originally by: Taku
Where are these BPOs on the market?
Yes
If anyone is interested i will start with doing freighter BYOC deals for those who work with us because the components and large amounts of minerals will be hard to haul other wise.
basically these will be aimed at anyone who usually has to spend alot of time hauling any thing such as
outpost builders
ship builders
Moon mining industry
Miners from 0.0 - one trip is alot easier than ten when you have 30 jumps to go
Traders - who buy large quantities of trade goods in one region and sell them in another etc.
Agent runners - Yes it will be alot easy to do those lvl 4 hauling missions with a freighter.
This is alot of potential and considering the BPC copy time is weeks the building will be done by those with bpo's. Anyone who usually hauls has a lvl 5 industrial skill already so its going to be quick to train skills.
just some info for you guys
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Taku
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Posted - 2005.07.06 16:54:00 -
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Originally by: s73v3n2k
Originally by: Taku
Where are these BPOs on the market?
Yes
Not are, where.  Can't get ingame atm but I'm sure they aren't in lonetrek.
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Taku
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Posted - 2005.07.06 17:23:00 -
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My bad, musta been looking at the wrong thing or something.  
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Somatic Neuron
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Posted - 2005.07.06 18:28:00 -
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Resources Unlimited, Inc. would like to participate in this project (specifically the freighters) as well.
Does anyone have the build requirements for the Freighters and/or components required (at least until t20 updates the item database).
Who is coordinating this? If nobody has stepped up, I can start coordinating this once I have the build requirements for the various items.
We will need multiple suppliers of each of the parts to ensure that supply can meet the demands of the actual builders.
I suggest we establish a price structure for the components as soon as the component build requirements are known, and the builders buy the parts from the suppliers at those prices. If we can maintain strict pricing controls, we can eliminate undercutting and the eventual shutdown of the mini-economy we are trying to establish here. We could even institute some sort of profit sharing plan for the component suppliers so that there is additional incentive above and beyond the component prices, if the price of the ships sold exceeds the percentage markup that we set for the component builders.
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Oz Draconis
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Posted - 2005.07.06 18:32:00 -
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I and a couple partners are also looking into a cooperative agreements with others.
Perhaps a dedicated channel would serve us best. How about a channel named "Freighters". Granted this isn't limited to freighters, but the channel name is descriptive and easy to rememeber.
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s4mp3r0r
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Posted - 2005.07.06 18:42:00 -
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has any one of your corps made contact with NAGA ?
Mebbe an idea ?
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s73v3n2k
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Posted - 2005.07.06 18:43:00 -
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ok that all sounds good. If anyone is interested join channel Freighters i am in there now. This is a good time to discuss all this as most will be researching BPO's at the moment.
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Karl Borhman
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Posted - 2005.07.06 19:00:00 -
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Edited by: Karl Borhman on 06/07/2005 19:08:06
Just curious, does anyone know if there are Capital BPO's that produce items used in both both dreds and freighter construction?
Reason I ask is fairly obvious. Our region is sparesly populated, so I want to maximize our ability to sell capital components if we get into this game. Also, wanted to see if there were some particular component need we may have access to that others do not.
Also, it would be good to know, if possible what types of minerals are used in each of the builds. Specific would be great, but general would work. I.E. the propulsion unit takes a lot of zydrine, the cargo trit, etc. This way we can maximize our productive output with the minerals we have available to us.
Does anyone have this information available?
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Taku
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Posted - 2005.07.06 19:14:00 -
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Originally by: Karl Borhman
Edited by: Karl Borhman on 06/07/2005 19:08:06
Just curious, does anyone know if there are Capital BPO's that produce items used in both both dreds and freighter construction?
Reason I ask is fairly obvious. Our region is sparesly populated, so I want to maximize our ability to sell capital components if we get into this game. Also, wanted to see if there were some particular component need we may have access to that others do not.
I think the propulsion units are your best bet for that.
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Karl Borhman
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Posted - 2005.07.06 19:21:00 -
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Ok, sounds like the BPO to aim for could be the propulsion system.
Second question, how much of each type of base mineral is it going to take to produce one of these puppies?
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AlvynNevins
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Posted - 2005.07.06 19:43:00 -
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At the moment we are all waiting for t20 updating the item database 
But maybe there is someone out there who owns all 14 component bpos  |
Laendra
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Posted - 2005.07.06 20:26:00 -
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From everything I have read, you guys will want to combine your efforts into one station, as the components are all way to freakin' big to move around by yourselves anyway Good luck with that, I hope you guys succeed, as those of us that can't be arsed to handle the logistics of it all will want to come to you to get our ships 
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Karl Borhman
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Posted - 2005.07.06 20:40:00 -
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I think the nature of the business is going to mimic the real world where components are produced by subcontractors, but ultimately transported to one contractor (or more) who plans on building and selling the ships in various regions.
As far as transport, I'll be letting Oron with Deep Space Services handle that. But rest assured that the end user will be the one paying the shipping fees, and nothing is leaving the shipping docks of the factory until it's paid for F.O.B.
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Ingunn AmarY
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Posted - 2005.07.06 22:01:00 -
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Edited by: Ingunn AmarY on 06/07/2005 22:02:36
Capital Armor Plates under construction. Evemail me if interested in a supply deal.
Also wouldn't it be better to name the channel #Capitals ?
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s73v3n2k
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Posted - 2005.07.06 23:01:00 -
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pop into channel "Freighters" for the moment we had 4 people in there tonight discussing possabilities and you will eventually find component buyers in there too so it will pay to stay and keep a look out.
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Jubeli
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Posted - 2005.07.07 06:35:00 -
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I can inform you all that Joint Espionage and Defence Industries [JEDI] now officially is a part of this joint venture and have now procured the Capital Propulsion Engine BPO.
The joint venture also have the Capital Armor Plate BPO now and what is needed are partners getting Freighter BPOs plus the two remaining parts (The capital cargo component and the capital construction blocks).
Details regarding manufacturing has not been decided, but it will be a nice spot for sure.
Originally by: Karl Borhman
Edited by: Karl Borhman on 06/07/2005 19:08:06
Just curious, does anyone know if there are Capital BPO's that produce items used in both both dreds and freighter construction?
The Freighter uses very small amount of components compared to the Dreads (but the Freighter do require lots more of the few ones), but all that are used by Freighter are used in Dreads. |
Vivus Mors
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Posted - 2005.07.07 08:20:00 -
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My curiosity is piquedà
I want a freighter (the Gallente Obelisk to be specific) and am in the process of ôliquidating some of my assetsö (i.e. selling all my old shià errrà stuff, yeah ôstuffö) in order to purchase one.
Now I have poked into the building of Freighters a bit, and their construction seems to be an impressively arduous task since you almost need a freighter to bring all the parts together to build a freighter o.0 0.o which came first? The freighter or the ability to bring the parts together to build the freighter? Hmmmà
Nowà if all those people with the different parts to glue together into a freighter work out of the same station, then itÆs little more than trading the parts over and setting the oven to bakeà but then comes the problem of the materials, and 90+ million of trit alone is one heck of a lot of mineral to gather together, much less move anywhereà and then the ôpartsö are in and of themselves VERY large as wellà
At a staggering 10,000m3 for each component (at least thatÆs what show info says), itÆs a bit more convenient than the equivalent 1,000,000 units of mineral that would otherwise be, but itÆs still darn slow hauling when even an tip top industrial/transport with great expanders is only going to move 2 of any given ôpartö at a time and freighters need a lot of them, and dreads need a LOT more than even freighters.
I donÆt mind how the freighters need to be constructed, and even think itÆs a neat new layer on the building system, but the parts should at least be practical to move so that current technology can actually go toward making new technologyà maybe just 1,000m3 would be more reasonable, after all you still need something in the area of dozens of the miscellaneous parts right? So thatÆs still multiple hauls but at least more possible than 10,000m3 each.
I will be one of the few to admit that I feel the price of freighters is on the high side, but I understand the reasoning behind the high price and am willing to foot the cost. However, what I am curious about is that we need to have a bit more practical way of bringing the pieces together to make one donÆt we?
Since the minerals arenÆt getting any smaller, and the parts are huge, is there some sort of happy medium we may be able to reach so that co-operative efforts like the one in this thread can benefit from so that they can at least move their parts a bit more easily so that their central location can actually produce the ships they intend to without practically having to have freighters already in order to move the parts necessary to make freightersà
Also, as a side note, if you fine people planning to pool your efforts to make Freighters can be so kind, is there any word if even BPCÆs for the parts/ships is in the cards? IÆve heard they have an unusually long copy time, but curious as to how long?
Outside of the BPC situation, is there any idea of possible cost at retail for a possible ôfirst customerö on the final product?
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Jubeli
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Posted - 2005.07.07 08:28:00 -
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The easiest way of manufacturing the Freighther in the beginning is to centralize the manufacturing to one system, the 10k m3 size of the Capital construction components might seem a big HUGE but then again, the ships are also a bit.. overly large.. so to say. *smiles*
BPCs are normally a good way for producers to semi-ruin their own market, and the time to copy the BPOs are very long. It takes weeks to get a singel run copy for the Freighter. However in the future there might be so that the producers will make BPCs of the components, manufactur them at a spot where they want to sell the freighter and then ship around the freighter BPO, risky but can easily be done safely.
Prices on Freighters will end up around 1 bil isk. The calculations aren't done yet, as aren't all partners in the joint venture. I'm sure a press release will be made as soon as the joint venture is up and running.
Now you might want to join but you don't feel you have the isk. Maybe you then can try and gang up with others and together buy a BPO or similar arrangements can be sorted.
More information will come as the situation develops. ;)
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AlvynNevins
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Posted - 2005.07.07 10:30:00 -
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Hi! Advanced Mining Devices is now proud owner of a Capital construction parts BPO 
After some researching we will immediately start the production near a system of your choice!
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Somatic Neuron
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Posted - 2005.07.07 10:45:00 -
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Given the New World Order, it would seem to make sense to divide our efforts into the 4 major political regions, would it not? I reside in Amarr Empire space, specifically Domain region, and wouldn't mind coordinating in that political division. Who else is in this area, and what parts do you make/plan to make? I am specifically hoping for a Gallente Freighter production facility at first, since that will be the biggest market, I feel.
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Chaleris
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Posted - 2005.07.07 11:25:00 -
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I am about to go into Capital Ship Component production myself but have not set up. If anyone will need a specific component in a specific location and doesn't mind not getting them for for some days, please contact me ingame.
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Jubeli
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Posted - 2005.07.07 11:51:00 -
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Chaleris - I suggest you pop into the channel s73v3n2k mentioned earlier and say hi there. Something that is needed is someone that go in with a Freghter BPO.
Glad news on the Construction parts!! :D
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Oz Draconis
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Posted - 2005.07.07 13:45:00 -
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Nice chatting with everyone yesterday in the channel 'Freighters'.
Will those of you who have purchased BPOs for either the ships or components post research and manufacturing times. That information isn't listed in the item database.
Thanks!
Oz
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Varia
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Posted - 2005.07.07 18:15:00 -
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Aeon Industries have purchased the Capital Cargo bay BPO.
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Skek
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Posted - 2005.07.07 22:02:00 -
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Shadowed Soul are now the proud owner of a revelation (Amarr Dread). I'm hoping to get set up down in Khanid region since there's lots of nice 0.0 space not far away. Any of you component makers planning on setting up there too?
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vammathar
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Posted - 2005.07.07 22:22:00 -
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Edited by: vammathar on 07/07/2005 22:22:42
Well..I now own a Capital cargo Bay BPO and I would also like to participate in this joint venture. Transport of the Components are not a factor. We will take care of the logistics.
Please add me to your list of Components manufacturers.
Regards
vammathar
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what as he got
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Zhou Yu
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Posted - 2005.07.08 01:32:00 -
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Yu Excavations Ltd. now build Capital Propulsion Engines.
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MooKids
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Posted - 2005.07.08 05:11:00 -
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I should tell you all that I currently own the BPOs for both the Capital Jump Drive and the Capital Computer System. I have some made so far, but I am not sure if they will sell due to their size.
I am currently researching the BPO for ME, and once I get it to an acceptable level, I will start mass-producing 5 run copies of them for sale (5 run is max). All the Dreads require 10 jump drives and between 10-25 Computers, might be slightly higher if the Dread BPO is unresearched.
These BPOs are for the Dreads only, hopefully they will be used for Carriers and Titans later on.
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Taipan Stark
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Posted - 2005.07.08 05:53:00 -
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I too would like to join in this joint venture , or operate as a subcontractor. I have enough cash to buy one BPO, just tell me which one is not covered by someone else yet. I am part of an industrial alliance in 0.0 , my empire base is in Jita. I'll also try and stop by the Freighters channel soon, perhaps when I get more details I can get my whole corp or even alliance behind this.
I also have access to a mining corp based in Derelik region that can supply me with minerals, but am afraid that if I start parts production there it would mean lots of hauling.
Basically, I think we need one larger party (main contractor/ shipbuilder) to set up shop in a central location and have subcontractors in nearby regions, with high-sec hauling routes to the central building place.
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Jubeli
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Posted - 2005.07.08 08:41:00 -
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Taipan, not that many have reported having the Capital Armor plating component, which is needed both for Dreads and Freighters, maybe that can help you if you are interested in joining the league of producers.
Glad to see so many joining up.
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belzebub1
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Posted - 2005.07.08 11:06:00 -
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The best way to make the Freighters is to build one of the first one for yourselves. Personally we are building the second Obelisk we build for hauling mins and components from our future suppiers. This means that suppliers are not stuck in 1 region and miing it out of trit and gives overall flexibility to everyone involved.
On that point please review this thread if you are intrested in a long term deal to supply components.
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Jubeli
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Posted - 2005.07.08 11:11:00 -
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Very nice with a customer you can sell part to using Incoterms FCA <home system>.
Jub |
Taipan Stark
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Posted - 2005.07.08 15:05:00 -
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OK, I plan to go for the Capital Armor Plates BPO then today, research it to a low ME level (maybe 2 or 3 got to see about research time) and start production. Am considering the Metropolis or Sinq Laison regions.
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Somatic Neuron
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Posted - 2005.07.08 18:25:00 -
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We have a private forum for Capital Ship (and Component) Builders here Please feel free to register and let's get this going for real
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belzebub1
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Posted - 2005.07.08 19:18:00 -
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Originally by: Taipan Stark
OK, I plan to go for the Capital Armor Plates BPO then today, research it to a low ME level (maybe 2 or 3 got to see about research time) and start production. Am considering the Metropolis or Sinq Laison regions.
Hi Taipan, My corps freighter buisness will be based in both Metropolis and Sinq. Convo be in game if you are looking for a manufacturing contract/
Rgds
Belz
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Oz Draconis
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Posted - 2005.07.08 19:48:00 -
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I picked up the Capital Contrustion pieces BPO last night and put it in a lab to research it's ME and PE a little.
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Morning Maniac
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Posted - 2005.07.08 23:30:00 -
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wow, serves me right not to monitor my own post for a few days. I have purchased capitol construction parts and cargo bay bpos. Unfortunately same as everyone else but good part is that those parts are needed most.
I am based in the nourvukaiken system but can obviously move a bit. We obviously want to produce some place safe, central and cheap (factory rents etc). As said, once you got your own freighter moving parts or minerals about isn't that bad.
Atm I'm researching both bpos for ME. I will join channel freighters later. I have talked to NAGA and they were thinking about going into it, so undecided really.
MM
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Psionist
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Posted - 2005.07.09 14:26:00 -
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I own the capital construction parts BPO, and would be interested in supplying this component to anyone who needs them. I will contact you ingame when I get home, Morning Maniac.
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Somatic Neuron
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Posted - 2005.07.09 18:27:00 -
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Resources Unlimited is purchasing the Capital Armor Plates BPO. I have updated this index on the forum with who is producing what, for those that have posted what they are building in that forum. Please logon and post what you are building and where :)
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Ricdic
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Posted - 2005.07.11 13:41:00 -
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Ok guys, i can see you all have your fancy bpo's and have organised contracts. Now my corp runs specifically as a mining corp, aiming at the capital ships market. Therefore i offer my services along with my boys, on the condition that it is not too far away from our base (Jel but we can move around if necessary), and secondly that after you have your first freighter, u pickup, rather than us delivering 25 million trit in 15 indy trips.
Contact me in-game for details and organising prices
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Oz Draconis
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Posted - 2005.07.11 15:40:00 -
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Ricdic, please contact me in game. I'd like to arrange for your services now and I'll do the hauling. I am sure my factories consume everything you and your boys can mine. :)
Oz
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Somatic Neuron
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Posted - 2005.07.12 15:55:00 -
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once the current batch of material research is complete, we will start building the capital armor plates.
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Somatic Neuron
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Posted - 2005.07.12 19:10:00 -
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Interesting post on the consortium forums for those who have registered.
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