Bad idea.

This will favour those with ISK and means many in high sec will be without Concord.
Concord may not be liked by many, but it's a necessary in high sec.

As far as being an ISK sink is concerned, meh.

And that many of them would be able to pay for this service while younger, newer players would not

This idea doesn't help in that regard, it simply removes the consequences when people attack those who haven't paid.

Meh because it's a poor idea to create a sink, but overlooks the faucets that are the cause.

Yes, it would add more consensual pvp to high sec, and people who are willing to not pay, well, they are off to themselves, and their corporations. Those who want to stay safe, they will pay.

So if you don't want to pay for safety you don't belong to hi sec, where people have to work hard for their safety.

There are always faucets! You have to get ISK from somewhere. So there must be sinks too. This feature will add it.

CONCORD will protect only agains unlawful deeds against someone protected, only in high sec as it is now, but for fee. I made it clear now i think. When someone protected by CONCORD will make criminal act, they will be treated like a criminal, like today.

Concord punishment should not be based on ISK.

Everything should be based on ISK. Like in real life. No one will protect you agains the hordes of criminals, if you don't even want to be protected, and pay for the CONCORD to have your ass saved by using force against someone who want to destroy your ship.

You may think about it now: "carebear heaven"... for a price. For free you can get torpedo to the bridge.

So you propose taking out suicide from suicide ganking? No subscription means no CONCORD spawning at belt to avenge you, right?

Good luck with that.

Miners demand banning of bumpers because they don't wanna pay 10 mil fee and you wanna to make them happy by CONCORD extortion racket? Brilliant.

Infact that would be loltastic because I am sure 50% of usual gank targets could be exploded risk free.

They punish.

Criminal acts are criminal acts and the punishment of said acts, should not be decided upon by ISK in high sec.

Whole point is to add consequences to live in High sec, a financial stress that is made for living in controlled, relatively safe area.

They also protect by punishing in time. And this alone is worth of paying.

Criminal act against unruly, not submissive or conforming to rule, should not be a criminal act. The rule should be, pay for protection.

My idea wil enable more consequences for living in highsec. Simple as that.

This will have the negative effect of making punishment a none constant. Therefore making high sec risker for all and giving less of this derived protection.

No it removes consequences, in favour of creating a poor ISK sink.

Whole point is to add consequences to living in High sec, a financial stress that is made for living in controlled, relatively safe area.

My idea wil enable more consequences for living in highsec. Simple as that.

When you pay, you get constant protection. Consequence. You give **** about it? Whole world awaits.

There is only one rule, you have to pay for everything. It makes rule of consequence dominant. And ISK sink.

Fixed Tax should be nothing but another one consequence for using stations for industry jobs, and empire space for POSes.

I see you missed the point. Your idea has a negative affect against everyone, not just those who have paid.

Paying ISK is not a consequence, it's a poor side step mechanic that favours the rich.

Favors the rich? You can be rich and live in null, look at those alliances. You think they have no ISK? And they don't have concord too.

Yes, favours the rich. They have money and don't care about a few mil, but would still be affected by this change.

I see you don't understand, new players could make few mil too in a month.
And there is nothing what stops them from leaving those few milions in CONCORD hands.

I would support this idea under two conditions:

1: The subscription fee should not be excessive. No one want to pay stupid amounts just to have a little security. That security being already balanced by low income potential.

2: The fee should only apply to those with negative security status. Law abiding citizens should not have to pay extra to recieve the same protection afforded to those who are not.

You've just proved my point, by stating that new players would need to hand over the few mill they made.

New players start in safe spot, with free protection, then after month they can decide, pay small fee as a law abiding and ready to serve law with your wallet citizen or get lost.

As it stands now.
Player A has 4 Million and a fitted, insured ship. He goes out to run a mission and gets suicide ganked.
Consequences are as follows:
1. He has an insurance payout, plus his 4 million ISK to help replace his stuff.
2. The suicide ganker loses his ship and gets a security hit.

Under this change.
Player A has 4 Million and a fitted, insured ship. He pays 4 million to Concord and goes out to run a mission. He gets suicide ganked.
Consequences are as follows:
1. He has an insurance payout, but doesn't have 4 million to help replace his stuff.
2. The suicide ganker loses his ship and gets a security hit.

OR

Player A has 4 Million and a fitted, insured ship. He doesn't pay concord and goes out to run a mission. He gets suicide ganked.
Consequences are as follows:
1. He has an insurance payout, plus 4 million ISK to help replace his stuff.
2. The suicide ganker keeps his ship and doesn't get a security hit.

So it's either get screwed over by handing over your ISK, or keep the ISK and remove all current consequences.

And what for? To create an poor ISK sink? Or is this simply a bad way of turning high sec, into some mix of null and low?

I wouldn't EVER use this feature, but would love the no consequence situation you've given me. But hey, they didn't pay. Amirite?

Wrong, new players have small amount of skill points, so they will pay small fees. 1 million for every 500 000 SP monthly, fair enough i think. Fee calculated at recurring rate monthly also.

Why should I pay for something.... when I already get it for free.....

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The suicide ganker keeps his ship and doesn't get a security hit? Suicide ganker? Thats Just a non consensual PVP scenario in this point.

Yes, you can have choice in highsec that way. Choice to make yourself a victim or not. That's fully understandable, upholding to EVE reputation game mechanism.

Meh? Why meh? ISKs are flowing into system at a higer rate than before, more active players. And since when you can get service like CONCORD in real life for free? Where is the point to have CONCORD in such a way it is today? It would add realism, and it will not favour those with ISK, it wil be something for something, When you are in Hi sec and you have protection it would make you a living and prospering entity, so you will have ISK for CONCORD, those with low security status are criminals, so they would be like outsiders into low sec - place where even CONCORD agents aren't safe, and nullsec - those who want to execute their law by themselves.

People are paying new order just to mine peacefully, why they would not pay CONCORD to be protected from criminal acts? If you live in highsec, you should pay for protection.

This is currently a nerf high sec thread.

You attract more flies with honey than with vinegar-- old saying.

Protected players should get CONCORD star on their avatar portrait. The same as it is now for "wanted" players. Also I planned to get rid of wanted sign for protected players. And yes, that means anyone who don't pay will be like in null space, low sec will be like a null for them too, because gate guns will not shoot at gankers ganking unprotected player.

As for extra service, assuring, that ganker, suicide ganker, or mad player will take consequences of messing with you, will suffice.



I know that when you demand something like protection from every hazardous situation in world like EVE, you should not get it for free. And industrialists sticking to hisec only is a nonsense, industrialist can live in Null also, like on chinese server.

Rooted to free hisec carebearing and mining is not good for your mental health.

Exactly, as it always was.



Vinegar or nothing in High sec. Flies can get their honey in null, lots of it.

Exactly, as it always was.



Vinegar or nothing in High sec. Flies can get their honey in null, lots of it.

But what will you do, when CONCORD stops doing it for free?

Meh? Why meh? ISKs are flowing into system at a higer rate than before, more active players. And since when you can get service like CONCORD in real life for free? Where is the point to have CONCORD in such a way it is today? It would add realism, and it will not favour those with ISK.

CONCORD can do fine with the 11% they get from NPC corps, so no need to pay them any more.