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darmoth	Posted - 2005.07.06 00:41:00 - [1] Ok after finaly getting in the game I tested out the new missles. rats in pashani system. missle type heavy scourge first rat blood engraver. dmg per missle 32.5 total missles to kill 31 missles. wtf i have 5 launcher points on my ship now i have to carry rocket light and heavy lauchers to be able to fight? forget doing missions now cause is no way I can fit and carry enough diffrent missle launcher types to kill anythign effectively. how do you expect the caldari to compete now. You have turned them from as your little intro video stated the most powerfull to the weakest navy in the game. corp mate in a raven battle ship fireing bane torpedoes at a pith terriost doing 160 dmg a hit thats just stupid. intercepters will now be even more godly with there natural high speed they will be able to tank a raven better then a megatron. o ya your going to say but the new skills will balance it out. ok so what are people supose to do for the next month while we train these skills? other then get owned. 3 good friends who got me into playing this game have already canceled there sub and one corp mate who been playing game from release as well. this is total crap.
Naverin	Posted - 2005.07.06 00:43:00 - [2] Adapt or die.. you now know what its like to be a turret based bship pilot.
Andre Ricard	Posted - 2005.07.06 00:44:00 - [3] So Interceptors and Assault Frigates can kill Ravens as easily as they kill other Battleships, now? Oh, the horror. Face it. The Era of the Battleship has ended, and none too soon. Welcome to the era of mixed fleets. ____________________________________ Justice is the only thing I have left. The lives of thousands be damned.
Jasmyn	Posted - 2005.07.06 00:44:00 - [4] yup. adapt or die..or leave can i have your stuff? Someone once told me they loved me.
Buraken v2	Posted - 2005.07.06 00:46:00 - [5] Damn I'm glad i trained that Amarr BS to lvl5 wipes a tear from his eye My Sig: Originally by: Sobeseki Pawi Originally by: TheKiller8 Uh what's stopping you from fitting expanders on a freighter? No slots?
Ly'sol	Posted - 2005.07.06 00:46:00 - [6] I never tire of the "OMFGFTFGDMFG (A cookie to someone who translates that) I am now NERFED...SREW it!!! I Quit!!!" Hehehehe.. -------------------------- Vist the Jericho Fraction Forums
Mark Galean	Posted - 2005.07.06 00:46:00 - [7] I can't agree more with your corp-mates. I've played this game for a bit over 2 years (not with this account however), and my impression now: I am leaving. And I retract my comment about this being a good game to one of the devs. Now it's a mockup. Thanks for the fish, and happy gaming for those of you that wants to keep playing.
Deja Thoris	Posted - 2005.07.06 00:52:00 - [8] Edited by: Deja Thoris on 06/07/2005 00:53:18 Can I have your stuff? Seriously, stfu. I have 8.5 mill SP in gunnery and Caldari with less than 500k SP in missiles have been pretty much as effective in PvE until now. Train skills. We had to.
SA TKperson	Posted - 2005.07.06 00:53:00 - [9] lol, i unloaded 30 torps on a bantam rat and never even hit it once >.> ( raven with BS @ lvl 4 )
Vegeta	Posted - 2005.07.06 00:55:00 - [10] See, now the Raven is like the other battleships when killing frigates, and not overpowered like it was. Deal with it. 2005.04.25 16:40:42 combat Your 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II perfectly strikes LawrenceNewton [WARAG], wrecking for 2706.9 damage.
Aalekzander Sevvari	Posted - 2005.07.06 00:56:00 - [11] Quote: wtf i have 5 launcher points on my ship now i have to carry rocket light and heavy lauchers to be able to fight? OH NOEES!!!1111u mean 1 cant do jus 1 stradgey? i hafta thnk and plan agunst muiltple scenareos? WTF!!!11 now i hafta use tactiks? WTF!!! Grow up. Adapt, or die.
Allen Deckard	Posted - 2005.07.06 00:56:00 - [12] dumpin my caldari account as there is just no point in it. Less damage over time as EVERY other race Less tank than ANY other race Still cant snipe Bah caldari sucks and is worthless Least I got another account and my wife will be happy that I am only payin for 1 account now.
Ander	Posted - 2005.07.06 00:57:00 - [13] Originally by: Andre Ricard So Interceptors and Assault Frigates can kill Ravens as easily as they kill other Battleships, now? Oh, the horror. Face it. The Era of the Battleship has ended, and none too soon. Welcome to the era of mixed fleets. Yeah, adapt. Use nos and drain ceptor/frigs cap. Then get some drones on their asses. That ought to silence them ;) http://www.eve-pirate.com Headlines: EVE-PIRATE.COM - DOES NOT CONDONE THE NEXT PATCH!
jbob2000	Posted - 2005.07.06 00:57:00 - [14] gg ----------------------------------------------- CANADIAN
Madcap Magician	Posted - 2005.07.06 00:57:00 - [15] I unloaded 78 rounds from my 425mm Rails to kill a frig OMGCCPWTF? I can't hit everything with one setup? This is OUTRAGEOUS! Now, do you understand the change? If you don't, good luck in the fairy tale MMOs. Good times will always be remembered. Sleep well, old friends.
Allen Deckard	Posted - 2005.07.06 00:58:00 - [16] Originally by: Deja Thoris Edited by: Deja Thoris on 06/07/2005 00:53:18 Can I have your stuff? Seriously, stfu. I have 8.5 mill SP in gunnery and Caldari with less than 500k SP in missiles have been pretty much as effective in PvE until now. Train skills. We had to. Umm deja seriously stfu caldari used to be the worst race in the game at pvp and still is although now it's the worst race at pve also.
Diobanemon Gluk	Posted - 2005.07.06 00:58:00 - [17] It's always nice to see the people it doesn't affect so much come out to gloat. Afaik agent runners lost important missions prior to level 4s becoming the cashcow they were and whilst they most certainly did not help the eve economy, nor do I hear many anti-agent runners accepting this fact. As for raven pilots, they have it harder to shield tank than pilots who tank armour, especially apocs but again you don't hear much about that as people look for what they don't have and scream until they get it, rather than being thankful for what they do have.
DjDangle	Posted - 2005.07.06 00:58:00 - [18] 100% agree Darmoth. I know people that arn't renewing for this one reason. Income has just been cut. I always did missions in-between wars and contracts. Bugger all for me to do now. Arn't I glad i've spent 9 months training to be an uber Caldari pilot for it to be snubbed with the release of 1 patch reducing me to a pilot that would do more damage to an inty if he got out and started spitting at it...
Ixianus	Posted - 2005.07.06 00:58:00 - [19] Im very much forced to agree with Deja, although I feel these changes do make a somewhat unnatural limitation on missles, seeing as missles are something of a dumb system to use in reality, it does help to balence them with the other ships of Eve. Dumb meaning requiring little skill to use, missles once launched generally do their own thing.
Aalekzander Sevvari	Posted - 2005.07.06 01:00:00 - [20] Quote: I always did missions in-between wars and contracts. Welcome to needing a few corp friends to finish level 4's now, like everyone else.
Allen Deckard	Posted - 2005.07.06 01:00:00 - [21] Originally by: Madcap Magician I unloaded 78 rounds from my 425mm Rails to kill a frig OMGCCPWTF? I can't hit everything with one setup? This is OUTRAGEOUS! Now, do you understand the change? If you don't, good luck in the fairy tale MMOs. Yippee I can vaporize instantly any frig comming threw a gate from 200km I have such a hard time winning with rail guns. I have it soo hard woh is me.
Aldanor	Posted - 2005.07.06 01:02:00 - [22] Caracal has 2 turret points you know, i dunno you could always fit a frigate sized rail/beam/arty or two, they do more dps than a heavy launcher did pre-patch neway... Ravens you know you have that thing called a dronebay, 6 t1 heavy drones get close to 100dps which is plenty to pop any webbed frigate in less than 10 seconds....
Na'Axin	Posted - 2005.07.06 01:03:00 - [23] as an answer to the thread titel: Train the skills
infused	Posted - 2005.07.06 01:04:00 - [24] This thread is classic. [World Domination]
Jayad	Posted - 2005.07.06 01:04:00 - [25] So CCP, you continue to add and build on your game, provide us with more goals to achieve, strive for better ballance and address broken systems, provide the best game ever, What, how dare you!! thats it i quit!! hehehehe
xxEncryptedxx	Posted - 2005.07.06 01:12:00 - [26] From digi: Missiles didn't get nerfed, they got balanced. Big difference. A nerf would be a reduction to their damage output. Which by the way, got INCREASED because of new skills and the potential for readily available tech II launchers. The only people whining about this are those who have been abusing the god-like powers of torpedo spam to get isk they would not otherwise be able to get with their crappy skills and experience. The security thing was a huge whine factor, but in the end the Devs stated there were overall increases. I for one will adapt. Highways getting dropped, was to promote RP and stimulate diverse markets. They were only added with a patch in mid-Gemini as a result of about only 3500 people playing EVE during peak times and not being able to get even simple things like cruisers or frigs was killing it for new players. Those who can adapt will end up richer as their stuff will sell for more, if they are the only ones supplying it. Those who whine and threaten to quit are usually the ones who have gotten too used to paying near-mineral price on everything right out of Yulai.
DigitalCommunist	Posted - 2005.07.06 01:14:00 - [27] I was gonna post a bit in here, but it looks like people are quoting me for the same effect _____________________________________ Perpetually driven, your end is our beginning.
Grant Smith	Posted - 2005.07.06 01:15:00 - [28] Well it seems you Caldari finally have to train to be good at using missiles just like us gunners have to train to be good at what we use. Thanks CCP.
Jasmyn	Posted - 2005.07.06 01:15:00 - [29] hmmm..how about you get a smaller ship to go and web the crusiers and frigs so larger missles can hit them? oh wait i forgot people like to be god when they are alone. riiight as for caldari ships being 'useless' in pve..well read above. larger ships focus on larger ships, and smaller on smaller. that simple. Someone once told me they loved me.
Mark Galean	Posted - 2005.07.06 01:19:00 - [30] Originally by: Deja Thoris Edited by: Deja Thoris on 06/07/2005 00:53:18 Can I have your stuff? Seriously, stfu. I have 8.5 mill SP in gunnery and Caldari with less than 500k SP in missiles have been pretty much as effective in PvE until now. Train skills. We had to. Well, main char, also a Caldari, at well over 28 mill SP, same thing. So, be my guest and tell me to STFU. Have a nice over-nerfed game.
Jayn Cobb	Posted - 2005.07.06 01:22:00 - [31] Originally by: Na'Axin as an answer to the thread titel: Train the skills Precisely! Train up the skills, then if you still suck, come back and whinge. Until then, STFU!!!
Deja Thoris	Posted - 2005.07.06 01:29:00 - [32] Originally by: Diobanemon Gluk It's always nice to see the people it doesn't affect so much come out to gloat. Afaik agent runners lost important missions prior to level 4s becoming the cashcow they were and whilst they most certainly did not help the eve economy, nor do I hear many anti-agent runners accepting this fact. As for raven pilots, they have it harder to shield tank than pilots who tank armour, especially apocs but again you don't hear much about that as people look for what they don't have and scream until they get it, rather than being thankful for what they do have. Its easy to say we gloat. You jump on the forums and scream blue murder before other setups have been tried or experimented with. A target painter will add +-50% to your damage stright off the bat. Ooh, its a midslot item and will mess with your tank. Drop a siege or nos and fit a large smartbomb. You can kill 5 close orbiting frigs at once with about 5 cycles. You also now have a few skills to train that will increase your effectiveness significantly within less than 3 days. Seriously, try a few setups. @Allen Deckard. Want me to shut up? Then make me. I'm currently in Ausmaert.
Diobanemon Gluk	Posted - 2005.07.06 01:39:00 - [33] Originally by: Deja Thoris Originally by: Diobanemon Gluk It's always nice to see the people it doesn't affect so much come out to gloat. Afaik agent runners lost important missions prior to level 4s becoming the cashcow they were and whilst they most certainly did not help the eve economy, nor do I hear many anti-agent runners accepting this fact. As for raven pilots, they have it harder to shield tank than pilots who tank armour, especially apocs but again you don't hear much about that as people look for what they don't have and scream until they get it, rather than being thankful for what they do have. Its easy to say we gloat. You jump on the forums and scream blue murder before other setups have been tried or experimented with. A target painter will add +-50% to your damage stright off the bat. Ooh, its a midslot item and will mess with your tank. Drop a siege or nos and fit a large smartbomb. You can kill 5 close orbiting frigs at once with about 5 cycles. You also now have a few skills to train that will increase your effectiveness significantly within less than 3 days. Seriously, try a few setups. Man if that's blue murder I really should tone down my posts! I am happy to try various setups, although I find your advice to change my tank a bit amusing given my post about armour tankers, oooh np for you and your low slot items. The point is that 'some' of the grievances that mission runners had, even before level 4s came in are still unfixed and if we're talking of missile/gun balances then surely we should talk about shield tank/armour tank (2 skills 4tw!). Perhaps if/when shield and armour tank is 'balanced' we shall resume this discussion? I for one congratulate the attempt to stop low level skill players jumping in on level 4s, I worked damned hard to get up there, given that missions was all I did in game since day 1 and with 16.5 million skill points now (and probably a few more had I not emigrated, had 2 computers die on me etc etc) I don't consider myself a low sp player. Anyway I'm off to pvp.
fastwind	Posted - 2005.07.06 01:41:00 - [34] im caldari and dont see it as a nerf so i have to either train these skills or change and fly other ships it is only a balance NOT a nerf. I for one wont be canceling my account i will just accept the challange and train up the skills to use my raven again until then i will still pvp in other ships or gang up with corp m8s to do stuff. Proud member of VNTR and IRON
Hakzuzu	Posted - 2005.07.06 01:42:00 - [35] Okay, it sucks, for me, that missiles have been overhauled...but I will adapt. Not a big deal. The problem I have is grouping. Now, you say group to complete lvl4 missions....sure. But the problem is, most people don't like grouping because they don't see the point in it. Basically, what is the reward to grouping with someone when you could, yourself, be doing your own missions and earning isk and lp. Now, if CPP could split the loyalty points like they already do with isk, you would see a lot more grouping. People would gladly group with someone, even a stranger, if they got something more that isk. (isk is really not that important anymore to a lot of players who have 100's of millions). I believe this small adjustment to grouping would greatly help the game along...what do you guys/gals think??? H

Abdalion	Posted - 2005.07.06 01:49:00 - [36] Please post issues with the patch in the Sticky up there ^^^^^^ Here is a link Linkage Thanks! Click. -- I ♥ You.... Stolen from Eris®

Suze'Rain	Posted - 2005.07.06 01:57:00 - [37] ravens nerfed so they can't do lvl4s solo? great, it's only fair - and been needed for a long time 1 however, what I do object to is the complete and utter murder of light missile launchers, which are pretty much unusable now. the 25% increase of PG on a seige launcher rather pales into insignificance compared to the 266% increase on Standard launchers. Harsh? all I'll say is I'm glad I can fly all other races' frigs, because caldari ships have just been made obsolete with the changes. 1 actually, I take that back. damn, I should've done more missions before the nerf looks at empty bank balance

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