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Pulgor
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Posted - 2005.07.06 18:47:00 -
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Hmm... I was thinking, do we as capsule pilots even understand death anymore?
I'm not so sure I understand the concept of dying and not comming back as a clone.
What does everyone else think?
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Narciss Sevar
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Posted - 2005.07.06 18:50:00 -
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Well Death truely is a part of life for Pod Pilots, so i'd say it's changed meaning rather than us not understanding it.
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Pulgor
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Posted - 2005.07.06 18:59:00 -
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 Originally by: Narciss Sevar
Well Death truely is a part of life for Pod Pilots, so i'd say it's changed meaning rather than us not understanding it.
But do we understand it as planetsider's do?
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Maze La'Zie
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Posted - 2005.07.06 19:01:00 -
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I find it strange that thousands of pod-pilots have access to clones, yet the most powerful man in the cluster does not.
Or perhaps the late Doriam II had chosen not to embrace such technology in the hope of something better after life...
I know that I am still fearful every time that lasers and shells rip through my hull.
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Xardrix
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Posted - 2005.07.06 19:12:00 -
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I actually have a few questions regarding this subject....
Why is it that we can use Clones so freely (6 mil give or take is almost free for immortality), yet ore Beloved Emperor has not? Is it against Imperial policy to use a clone? Was the clone also sabotaged? Questions...
Amarr Loyalist and Patriot
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Pulgor
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Posted - 2005.07.06 19:22:00 -
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To answer the side question:
It is against imperial law for the emperor or any of the hairs to use clones. The sacred flesh cannot be cloned 'lest it then be impure.
Here is a datafile for you to read: Datafile on Amarr Succession.
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Kyoko Sakoda
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Posted - 2005.07.06 19:28:00 -
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If cloning is impure then does that make Amarr pod pilots impure?
Also, I think some people are being quite ignorant when they say they are immortal. We can always be killed outside our pod, for whatever reason, and we are always aging. Even though some new clone technology is putting older minds in younger bodies, the technology isn't perfect.
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Xardrix
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Posted - 2005.07.06 19:36:00 -
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Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda
If cloning is impure then does that make Amarr pod pilots impure? Quote:
Not if you have never been Podded 
Amarr Loyalist and Patriot
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Corvus Anderran
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Posted - 2005.07.06 19:53:00 -
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Remember that cloning requires certain pod based technology to transmit the image of the brain to the clone and imprint it. Even if the Emperor did have a clone, it would have only worked had he been inside a pod when he was killed.
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Gaven Lok'ri
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Posted - 2005.07.06 20:57:00 -
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Quote:
If cloning is impure then does that make Amarr pod pilots impure?
It makes ALL pod pilots who have died impure.
It is a neccessary evil though, and a temptation that we must fight with all that we are.
We stand on the gap between life and death, between good and evil. Our near immortality is a weapon, and like any weapon it can be used for good or for evil. Yet in being a weapon of such power it also requires much more responsibility to use.
If an Amarran pod pilot falters under that responsibilty and uses his power for evil, he is utterly and truely damned for all eternity.
If, however, he stays loyal to the cause... he stands in a position to be listed among the Empire's martyrs once the wars are finially done.
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AsheRaven
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Posted - 2005.07.06 21:18:00 -
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Wow
I love the way you retell the story once again to suit your own point of view, it's priceless.
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Nikolai Nuvolari
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Posted - 2005.07.06 21:37:00 -
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I think we have a chance to understand death better than any other people in history. We are the only ones to experience complete death...and then be able to contemplate it. Even people who have "died" but were then revived have not experienced true death. Only we can die, and subsequently gaze upon our dead body, and consider the oldest mystery known to the human race.
And as we all know, capsules and clones give us the possibility of immortality, but they do NOT give us invincibility. It is now possible, through cloning, to live forever, but this possibility does not prevent one from dying when not in reach of a burning scanner.
Maybe if we were completely unable to die, then we would have an understanding of death that was different but not superior. However, it is our unique situation in which we can both experience death repeatedly, and yet live with the possibility of death without cloning, that gives us superior understanding.
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Aphoxema G
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Posted - 2005.07.06 21:50:00 -
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CONCORD'as registered me'as Killed In Action about twenty three times, now.. but'uh.. They'aven't recorded all'a times I've died'in Vale of The Silent..
I'ave died so many times.. I'm so used'a bein'in'a clone, a new body.. I still see life'as what'it'is'en I'm not in'na pod, but when I am in'na pod, it's'all different.. I'am'at pod.. I'am'at ship, an when'I die'as that, only'at ship'an pod's been destroyed.. I still feel fear'en I can'na run, I'm still'a coward'in'na face'of objectiveless sacrifice.. but, as far'as I'm concerned, I've still only died once.
I fear dyin'... I'm quit familiar'ith death. It's gettin' to'a death'at's hard for me.. but'a pain'at I remember from all'ose pods poppin', it's only served'a make me live life more.
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AsheRaven
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Posted - 2005.07.06 22:11:00 -
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Death isn't so bad once you get to know it personally dear.
There are ways to cheat it, though I can't gurrantee you'll come back entirley the same as a result. Ressurection does that to a man. Believe me, I know
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Sith Marauder
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Posted - 2005.07.06 23:37:00 -
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To be honest I'm not sure what death is anymore. I died 4 times a couple of days ago and I'm becoming a bit blaisee. I can say that occasionally you feel as though you lost something during the cloning process, it made me laugh or was it cry.
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Sarkos
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Posted - 2005.07.07 11:29:00 -
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The question is this though. Once you have died and awake in a clone lab, did your soul also transfer?
Could it be that once you have experienced your first pod death, you no longer have a soul, it has travelled to your God or wherever you believe it would go. Is it possible that only your memories maintain what humanity you had and with each new cloning more and more of that slips away.
Perhaps after a certain number of clonings, you will lose all traces of humanity altogether, you will only be a flesh automaton animated through science. A disturbing thought for certain, yet in every relegion I have studied, only the divine was capable of creating the 'spark of life'.
Sarkos
Either free the slaves or we will come and get them.
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Aphoxema G
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Posted - 2005.07.07 11:45:00 -
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I think'at you're probably right, Sarkos.. but'as far'as I rememember, I'm'a same person as when'I'd died the first time, an'I think'at's what matters..
.. Maybe..
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Nikolai Nuvolari
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Posted - 2005.07.08 02:13:00 -
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Originally by: Sarkos
The question is this though. Once you have died and awake in a clone lab, did your soul also transfer?
Could it be that once you have experienced your first pod death, you no longer have a soul, it has travelled to your God or wherever you believe it would go. Is it possible that only your memories maintain what humanity you had and with each new cloning more and more of that slips away.
Perhaps after a certain number of clonings, you will lose all traces of humanity altogether, you will only be a flesh automaton animated through science. A disturbing thought for certain, yet in every relegion I have studied, only the divine was capable of creating the 'spark of life'.
Sarkos
If you were correct, we would need to ask ourselves the question...what difference does a soul make?
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Lygos
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Posted - 2005.07.08 02:54:00 -
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My people teach that when a soul is cast into the Bardo, it returns in a new sort of body each time. What strides we are able to make in one life to the next towards the Divine are limited by the successes of one's jati, or the group with which we travel for our entire journey.
Some come as minerals, others as insects or animals, still others as wisps, humans or semi-divine creatures. Release into the grand unity is gained from these trials when one's jati comes into understanding possibily of the Divine, or at least of one's place in it.
On the issue of cloning though, many theologians differ. Some believe that every clone has a new spiritus. Currently I know of no legal efforts tolerated to change inheritance laws in accordance with this view, although it does have many adherents. Others believe that the link between clone and predecessor are strong enough to provide an immediate transmigration.
By human knowledge and experience alone it is difficult or perhaps impossible to prove anything in this matter, but the concept of proof is generally not regarded as something very important obviously. Once it was simply a matter of sharing memories with oneself from one incarnation to the next. Perhaps a revolution of sorts is being played out in the Bardo itself. It is afterall, only an asset of the Divine.
If suffering and death itself shall be extinguished from human experience, I daresay I know of precious few ways in which the Divine will make wisdom available to humankind, or moreso how human kind will avail itself of the Divine.
We live in strange times.
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Herko Kerghans
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Posted - 2005.07.08 03:44:00 -
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Originally by: Lygos
...towards the Divine are limited by the successes of one's jati, or the group with which we travel for our entire journey.
There is a very ancient riddle, perhaps as old as Mother Earth herself:
"A tree falls in the middle of the forest... does it make any sound?".
I find it to describe, in another words, what you said. I am alive not by myself, but through others.
If for others this me I am now is exactly the same as my previous self was...
...if the story I tell through my actions is in every sense the perfect continuation of my predecessor's...
...then this me I am now is just another chapter of the same story, and I am alive for as long as the story continues, no matter how many chapters there were, or will be.
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Vulkyn
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Posted - 2005.07.11 15:49:00 -
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Edited by: Vulkyn on 11/07/2005 15:50:43
It is a curse, we are cursed as pod pilots to out live our family, out live our friends on planets. Strangers drifting away cursed to eternity.
A smal part of our humanity dies every time we are transferred into a new clone, A cycle that slowly erodes our soul over time.
My memories of how it felt like to smell salt air by the sea, to walk under the sun to feel warmth on my skin all lost, gone forever.
My memory betrays me; I have lost my childhood memories. No more can i reach in my mind and find those moments that comfort me in time of need. No more can I remember how it felt like to be basked in love as a young boy.
We are lost souls, cursed to eternity to fight never again to remember our past never again to grasp the joys of childhood, never again to be human.
I have lost count of how many times I was transferred, each time I pray that death would descend on me and relinquish my agony. Then I awake, with another bit of my humanity cruelly striped away from me.
But I see hope, for every time I awake I recall my true bidding to serve my master ... to fight and to die no matter the sacrifices no matter the losses even if its my own soul. We must spread his words, we must fight.
For I am his son, and my master calls for me, shinning his light saving the remnants of my humanity ....
Let it be know my humanity is still there because of his wisdom and his love for tham I AM his son. I AM THE SON OF AMUN...
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Hayzo
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Posted - 2005.07.11 17:04:00 -
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Personally, i do not buy any of this 'soul' or 'lost humanity' stuff. The only thing we loose when we die is a perfectly good capsule and perhaps some implants.
But it is true that we should all be dead. Infact, we are all dead. Most of us anyway. We legally die every time that final antimatter charge clashes with the hulls of our pods. Yet we wake up again and again and again.
So its not that death has changed meaning for us, provided we are in a capsule at the time, it has no meaning. We lack the need to understand death, and even if we did have the need, i doubt we could.
Whereas planetside, if someone dies, it is a time to greive, mourn the loss of a loved one. Death for them is permenant, there is no clone.
If that makes sense.
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Azure Skyclad
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Posted - 2005.07.11 19:04:00 -
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It's that little weird bit between the two much bigger, duller bits.
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Nikolai Nuvolari
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Posted - 2005.07.12 01:14:00 -
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Originally by: Herko Kerghans
"A tree falls in the middle of the forest... does it make any sound?".
Reminds me of one, goes something like...
"If a tree falls in the forest...and it lands on a mime...does anyone care?"
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