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Embattle	Posted - 2005.08.04 05:59:00 - [31] Hi's - 5 Cruise(Arb), 2 Siege(Arb), 1 Small Mod Laser Med's - 1 T2 Shield Booster, Dread Amp, 4 T2 Hardeners Low's - 4 PDU T2, 1 CN BC Might adjust this a little bit. ----------- I would have a sig but it might break a arm, leg or even worse a rule.
Kaylana Syi	Posted - 2005.08.04 06:11:00 - [32] If I wanted a 4.4 setup I would be still flying a Typhoon... Welcome to Matari's world 12 months ago? Phoon is a better ship at what your trying to say the Raven is good for now. Cummilla said it the best... the Raven is a BS killer and thats it... but what more do you want? To the Ravennubtards who had 1.2mil SP flying wtfh@xploit setups before the patch making tons of riskless isk... hope you trained perc/will up to help you train the new skills faster. -------------------- The Nest
Black January	Posted - 2005.08.04 19:33:00 - [33] Originally by: Kaylana Syi If I wanted a 4.4 setup I would be still flying a Typhoon... Welcome to Matari's world 12 months ago? Phoon is a better ship at what your trying to say the Raven is good for now. Cummilla said it the best... the Raven is a BS killer and thats it... but what more do you want? To the Ravennubtards who had 1.2mil SP flying wtfh@xploit setups before the patch making tons of riskless isk... hope you trained perc/will up to help you train the new skills faster. I detect the distinct flavor of angst.
Carufin	Posted - 2005.08.05 14:37:00 - [34] Originally by: Kaylana Syi Ravennubtards who had 1.2mil SP flying wtfh@xploit setups before the patch making tons of riskless isk... hope you trained perc/will up to help you train the new skills faster. roflmao! I detect a hint of Raven envy.... Why pilot a Typhoon, when you can configure a Raven any which way you like? Have it all....
Troezar	Posted - 2005.08.05 16:06:00 - [35] As Minmatar, looking around for a good agent running ship that I can use while taking the eternity required to train up T2 skills for Minnie ships, I came to one conclusion. The Raven
TIvian	Posted - 2005.09.01 00:53:00 - [36] I have been flying my Raven doing Agent Missions with no issues. I can solo any mission that I am handed. my set-up: High slots- 3x named siege, 3x named cruise, 2 NOS. Med slots- 1x named shield amp, 1 sheild booster named or tech II, 3 hardners(based on NPC's I am fighting), Tech II AB, Target Painter. Low Slots- 3x PDU II's, 2 Named BCU's I have tried rail gunz instead of NOS. had very good success killing all targets...but I hate carrying ammo rounds. I would perfer extra missiles and torps. I have also tried the x6 named cruise launcher set up....it was very effective but took to long to take down BS's and I was going through missiles like there was no tomorrow...so I tend to like throwing torps down range. I have tried using a webby instead of the target painter. didn't like it and I really didn't think it matterd or helped. The key to being successful in a Raven is shield tanking.... SO GET THE SHIELD COMPENSATION SKILL. it DOES make a difference. Make sure to use MEDIUM drones against Frigs. and make sure your using the right damage type drones against the faction target...in other words use Kenetic drones if your fighting Guristas....you get the idea. don't release your drones unless the frigs are right on top of you. I prefer to move to extreme range...about 85K from the group I am fighting...Target the Frigs first...and hit them before they get to you. IF A FRIG or 2 get by you and orbit unleash drones and sick them on the frigs and then put your missiles on the biggest targets to eliminate taking heavy fire damage. it works trust me. (\_/) (O.o) (> <) Teh Uber Asheron's Call Bunny Booty WTFPWNZ you!!
Ulric Wolfbane	Posted - 2005.09.03 18:07:00 - [37] Great post! Never forget the power of the drone! I love em an use them exclusively for any short range engagement with frigs in my Ferox and would expect to use them in the same role with my Raven. If you are in a BS and worried about npc frigs, you are probably doing something WAY wrong! Thanks for crushing my fears of the Raven in a Cold War World! Ulric
Darkside101	Posted - 2005.09.03 21:20:00 - [38] Nice post bj m8, i have a little bit of advice of my own if it helps. 1, using cruise lanchers to counter ew is a viable concept but you MUST fit a large Smart bomb as one of your spare hi slots as light drones on a raven will stop any FOF cruise missiles from getting to there intended target, if you dont believe me test it with your m8's. attack one of your corp m8s with a light drone and get him to fire a FOF cruise and watch what happens 2, i have found that putting a t2 large shield extender on insted of your second amp is a much better idea, especitaly if you have good shield and gang skills 3, i personaly have to fit t2 co pro's to my setup and i admit that it seams like a waste at first but you will have to trust me on this 4, everything else bj has said i totaly agree with but i am not a great fan of the ew set-up as its not that unusual to find ships with multiple sensor boosters nowadays and they can give you a realy bad day yarr DS101
Zembla	Posted - 2005.09.04 21:12:00 - [39] Very nice and thorough post. One thing though, the XL boosters do repair alot of damage over a short time, but they suck dry your cap quicker than [insert stuff I shouldn't post here]. I found that for most (if not all) missions (that's level IV missions) you can tank just as well with a Large Shield booster (t2). Sure, it might come down to the same thing (in other words just don't need to run the XL as long as the L to repair same dmg), but in the end it helps your cpu etc as well. With the L T2 you can use 1 boost amp when on lvl 3's and with 2 boost amps you'll survive any lvl IV (probably). You can't run 'm forever, but you can keep 'm running for much longer than the XL. <Z> Spread the Z
Tai Lin	Posted - 2005.09.09 08:33:00 - [40] Originally by: TIvian I have been flying my Raven doing Agent Missions with no issues. I can solo any mission that I am handed. my set-up: High slots- 3x named siege, 3x named cruise, 2 NOS. Med slots- 1x named shield amp, 1 sheild booster named or tech II, 3 hardners(based on NPC's I am fighting), Tech II AB, Target Painter. Low Slots- 3x PDU II's, 2 Named BCU's I have tried rail gunz instead of NOS. had very good success killing all targets...but I hate carrying ammo rounds. I would perfer extra missiles and torps. I have also tried the x6 named cruise launcher set up....it was very effective but took to long to take down BS's and I was going through missiles like there was no tomorrow...so I tend to like throwing torps down range. I have tried using a webby instead of the target painter. didn't like it and I really didn't think it matterd or helped. The key to being successful in a Raven is shield tanking.... SO GET THE SHIELD COMPENSATION SKILL. it DOES make a difference. Make sure to use MEDIUM drones against Frigs. and make sure your using the right damage type drones against the faction target...in other words use Kenetic drones if your fighting Guristas....you get the idea. don't release your drones unless the frigs are right on top of you. I prefer to move to extreme range...about 85K from the group I am fighting...Target the Frigs first...and hit them before they get to you. IF A FRIG or 2 get by you and orbit unleash drones and sick them on the frigs and then put your missiles on the biggest targets to eliminate taking heavy fire damage. it works trust me. a raven only got 6 med slots or i missed something? by the way, corp mates tested cms on frigs whit a target painter and did not noticed any changes, when they put a sensor booster intead of a painter they started to get allot of nice hits
Mad Scot	Posted - 2005.09.14 14:03:00 - [41] Hi folks, is it worth the move from arby cruise launchers to t2 cruise? What r.o.f can you get with the t2 as with my arbys I can get 10.06 with a capacity of 24 missiles :-)
The Wizz117	Posted - 2005.09.14 15:51:00 - [42] ...ahem... beg your pardon? Raven has 700tf base CPU, 2nd best BS cpu ingame (1st is scorpion). I don't think it's low... when i do lvl3 missions i use 100% of my CPU and 5% of my powergrid. you wand a screenshot of that? i do lvl3 with 6x heavy missile launchers btw
UBER NATOR	Posted - 2005.09.15 02:57:00 - [43] Yeah i think the T2 are worth it. I am just over 10 secs, and only have bs 3, and cruise spec at 2.... Rapid launch 4 I fitted all bcus on the bottom and got just over 8 secs.. Training bs 4 atm :) Think with all the above skills at 5, could prolly get hi 6 secs... Named BCUS would get even lower.. CCP WE WANT T2 bcus please :) Uber
Angelus X	Posted - 2005.09.15 15:37:00 - [44] Originally by: Mad Scot Hi folks, is it worth the move from arby cruise launchers to t2 cruise? What r.o.f can you get with the t2 as with my arbys I can get 10.06 with a capacity of 24 missiles :-) I thought T2 Missile skills still affected the T1 variants? I recall someone telling me that T2 rocket skills affect 'Arbalest' rocket launchers, making them far superior to the T2 versions (due to reduced fitting cost).
D4rkcl0ak	Posted - 2005.09.16 03:21:00 - [45] Edited by: D4rkcl0ak on 16/09/2005 03:23:07 Sorry posted with my alt... :( Originally by: Angelus X Originally by: Mad Scot Hi folks, is it worth the move from arby cruise launchers to t2 cruise? What r.o.f can you get with the t2 as with my arbys I can get 10.06 with a capacity of 24 missiles :-) I thought T2 Missile skills still affected the T1 variants? I recall someone telling me that T2 rocket skills affect 'Arbalest' rocket launchers, making them far superior to the T2 versions (due to reduced fitting cost). Item database says "Specialist training in the operation of advanced cruise missile launchers. 2% bonus to cruise launcher rate of fire per level." I guess that would mean T2 launchers, not T1. Maybe a someone with a bit more knowledge could say for sure, or maybe a dev for 100%. Oh, I made a error with my last post. With the skills have and 3 bcus ROF is under 10 secs with the T2 Cruise Launchers. 2.5 Days left for BS 4 :) to take off yet another 5% :) Regards Uber Nator And also before i forget /me gives OP a beer. Great read!!
Sandokan	Posted - 2005.09.17 17:29:00 - [46] Most importend is skills, even more then any other race. Think best is to focus for a race that you like most. For me, thats Caldari and the ship is a raven, if you know that then you know whats importend on skills! caldari BS lvl5 a must Engineering skills (energy is importend for all races) Engineering lvl5 Energy grid upgrade lvl5 Energy management lvl5 Energy system operation lvl5 Shield compensation Shield Management Shield operation Shield upgrades Tactical shield manipulation (most of them i have on lvl5, only 1 to go) no mods can replace thoos skills, for caldari thoos are the best skills to train very high. Mechanic lvl5 Hull upgrade lvl5 both are for any race importend All the missiles skills as high as possible Electronic lvl5 Electronic upgrades lvl5 Signature analysis lvl5 Long range targeting lvl5 Alot of skills i agree, but if you choise a raven then you go for missiles, simple as that. People to many different skills for to many different ships ( i did also :P) Except for the shield skills, every other race need thoos skills, amour tanking means you need repair system lvl5 as a must, not for a raven I agree with most of the fittings above, but just liked to point out how importend your skills are, just use it as a guide cheers
Times Drift	Posted - 2005.09.20 07:16:00 - [47] I am a bit new to this flying a raven lark but whats wrong with shield extenders ? why not 3 large shield extenders and a em hardner a thermal hardener and a booster ?
Pistonbroke	Posted - 2005.09.20 12:56:00 - [48] Originally by: Times Drift I am a bit new to this flying a raven lark but whats wrong with shield extenders ? why not 3 large shield extenders and a em hardner a thermal hardener and a booster ? 1) The fitting requirements for a large extender are higher than other modules that would go in those slots in a typical Raven config (which would mean that you would have to fit co-procs for CPU or grid boosting mods for grid (I forget what those thingies are called) in order to maintain the same offensive capability 2) A Battleship takes a long time to target, you might wish to reduce this so that you can be inflicting damage quicker - thats one slot taken up with a sensor booster 3) You might wish to stop whatever you are planning on killing from running away (PvP only) thats one slot taken up with a warp scrambler disrupter 4) You might wish to travel a bit quicker than a stately bimble - thats one slot taken up with an AB or (if you favour the unconventional, a MWD) - note, if you dont have instas or an inty mate to warp to your BS is dead anyway, might just as well reclyle it now ;-) 5) Boosting the amount of shiled WILL increase the amount of passive recharge quite significantly, but even a full on passive setup on a Raven is a poor subsitute for a reasonable tank - the lack of resistance that you will have by only fitting two hardeners will mean that your booster has to work much harder as the amount of damage you willtake per hit is that much higher. - Admittedly the passive boost will help and the fact taht you can take more damage before hitting armor, but if its a battle you cant win quickly, then the fact that you are taking more damage and having to expend more cap to keep up will mean that you die. - Additionally the passive boost is also reduced somewhat by having had to fill up your low slots with stuff to help you fit the large extenders as opposed to lovely Power Diag IIs. I hope this helps... If I am wrong on any point, can someone please clarify as opposed to flaming? Thanks .
The Wizz117	Posted - 2005.09.20 14:43:00 - [49] my setup for lvl3: 6x named heavy launchers 2x 150MM railgun II with plutonium charge's XLarge shield booster II 2x T2target painter 1x webifier 1x shield boost amp 1x afterburner 1x nanofiber 2x PDUII 2x BCS and some hammerhads (and i still have problems killing frigs)
HippoKing	Posted - 2005.09.20 15:00:00 - [50] Edited by: HippoKing on 20/09/2005 15:00:58 Originally by: The Wizz117 and some hammerheads AND SOME HAMMERHEADS? that makes it sound like your drones aren't important. is there a reason theyre not important? using 6 heavies or 4 heavy, 5 medium drones in the raven slaughters friggies really fast even if they ent painted or webbed. so use that to your advantage. i'm not even gonna start on fitting a nanofiber to a raven... edit: and i've seen you whine about raven's sucking so much recently, i always wondered what atrocities you were doing while fitting it to make it suck so bad. like not fitting hardeners. or fitting a nanofiber. nuff said Originally by: TomB Originally by: Einheriar Ulrich Mining in a dreadnaught.....Should be banned /signed
drayhawk	Posted - 2005.09.22 09:08:00 - [51] ok im running an XL 2 2x cap 2's 2x hardeners (as apropriate) 3 PDS 1 BCU 1 co pro (needed for cpu but may not with better skills) 2 heavy nos (E500) 3x cruise 3x siege and i am able to solo lvl4's however frigs have to be left to the drones. either way great post i always like to see other ppl's take on the raven
Wrayeth	Posted - 2005.09.22 09:28:00 - [52] If you're fitting out your raven to rat, something to remember is that many rat types use defenders. When fighting NPC battleships, it's not uncommon to see 1/3 to 1/2 of your volley of cruise missiles disappear before they reach the target. This being the case, if you expect to encounter NPC battleships in any number (or even just a single high-end battleship with an uber tank), I suggest torpedos since they take 3 defenders each to kill as opposed to the 1 defender to kill a cruise missile. -Wrayeth
Madcoow	Posted - 2005.10.11 06:48:00 - [53] Hmmm....soo much confusion...how about this setup...doing any lvl4 missions solo without redoking for ammo or to save my ass. 6x dread cruise launchers 2x E500 vampires 1x XL Pith-B shield booster 1x Dread shield amplifier 2x Cap rechargers tech II 2x Shield hardeners 3x Pandemoniums balistic controls 2x PDS II The setup can be better with more ISK...truly an expensive setup but it does the job..and most relevant skills have to be at lvl5 to get the setup going. BS Usurper dies in about 15 voleys...~100 sec. Shield will last almost forever , to take well over 3 bs, and 5 cruisers at the same time.
Tai Lin	Posted - 2005.10.11 08:33:00 - [54] whit this multi 100 million setup i would do fine too, no problem for me. i get 10 m for each npc i kill and people just give me faction stuff as a gift when i say "hi"
B0rn2KiLL	Posted - 2005.10.11 11:47:00 - [55] Edited by: B0rn2KiLL on 11/10/2005 11:51:50 Edited by: B0rn2KiLL on 11/10/2005 11:51:03 Edited by: B0rn2KiLL on 11/10/2005 11:50:33 2.5 mil sp charachter, well, i'll just list my fitting BS @ lvl 3 all missiles skills at lvl 3 +- highs : 6x arbalest siege launchers, 2 medium afocal with multifreq (anti-inti argh ) meds: 1 large t2 shield booster 1 100mn II < replacabale with harderner\sensor booster\wtever if tanking 1 85% webifier 1 30%\60km painter 1 thermal passive amp 1 thermal active harderner lows : 5x BCU I's, soon 5x BCU II's edit: pvp, would go with cruise t2 launchers, take out 100mn n put in warp jammer, take out L t2, put in named\t2 XL, and vampires instead of 2 small lasers and tank EM --- When It Absolutely Positively Has To Be Desotroyed.
Hehulk	Posted - 2005.10.11 12:04:00 - [56] Originally by: Thatssir Toyou Originally by: Black January An XL booster and an amp require 250 CPU versus the twin large armor rep's 100 CPU. Correct, and your point was what? An XL booster + amp requires 250 cpu and 501 grid. Twin large armor rep requires 100 cpu an 4000 grid. Now make your own conclusion why the large armor rep has a lower cpu requirement. His point was that the CPU on the raven doesn't go as far as it might look like. Read it again, he makes no allowences for the grid. ---------- EvE is not a game, its a hobby.
FireFoxx80	Posted - 2005.10.25 11:02:00 - [57] Setup that I keep coming back to: 6x Cruise Launcher 1x Small Beam Laser II 1x Heavy Nos 1x 100MN AB 1x SB II 1x Large Shield Boost II 1x Shield Boost Amp 2x Active Hardener 3x PDU 2x BCU Obviously swap AB<>Boost Amp, and PDU<>BCU as you see fit. The Nos/Laser combo works well as once any frig/inty gets <20km, it's dead. 23? # Missile Tool # ex: P-TMC : USAC
Elfaen Ethenwe	Posted - 2005.10.25 13:58:00 - [58] Nice post, I agree the CPU is the downside. You failed to mention Shield Extendors. On a tank raven with 5 x pdu you can reach 12k shields with skills and gang. I always use 5 pduII's and 2 hvy diminishing NOS. I swap load out as follows 6 x seige + xl c5 (the tech2 uses too much cpu) 3 tech 2 hardners (em, therm, kin) Anointed EM hardner (saves on CPU and only 2% diff after calc) boost amp or 6 cruise+ xl c5, 3 x tech II harners, L extendor II, boost amp
Mercurye	Posted - 2005.10.25 14:45:00 - [59] Edited by: Mercurye on 25/10/2005 14:46:58 My Raven setup...a person with only 4 million Sp in total wherefrom most in Learning..so this is rather mediocre I think and could be so much better.....and against Blood Raiders HiSlots -6 Siege Launcher 1's MidSlots -XL CL-5 Emergency Booster -ShieldAmp -Anointed EM Active Hardner -Digro(?)Thermal Active Hardner -Cap Recharger -Heavy Brief Cap Injector( 4x800 charges) LowSlots -2 PDU 1's -3 BCU 1's Drones 6 Heavies(Ogres), for the entangling frigates closebye Very cap intensive shield boosting but very fast, repairing wise(+/- 650 per 4 seconds for 380 cap)...and it really needs monitoring, the Heavu Cap Booster is so welcome in tight situations( you all know the stress of Npc webbers and an empty cap? I also use the torpedoes for BS AND cruisers....their damage is on par with Heavy Missiles for cruisers( atleast, for my feeling) and for BS's it is simply outstanding, even with low skills,... QUICK EDIT: This might all NOT fit without Weapon Upgrades 5 and Advanced Upgrades 2.....which is what I have...Sorry for this Armourtanking might be easier too...but I So love the blue shield hardening light ~Gender in the way, Yin'Yanging your head away~
DragyYY	Posted - 2005.10.31 21:35:00 - [60] simple question, which mix is better: cruises with bcu's or torps without bcu's ? vs bs's of course

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