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OldWolf69 GRIM MARCH SpaceMonkey's Alliance 18	Posted - 2013.01.26 12:24:00 - [1] - Quote "The Raven is the powerhouse of the Caldari Navy. With its myriad launcher slots and powerful shields, few ships can rival it in strength or majesty." Top or Flop? Is this Ship at least close to it's description, or it's just a way to discover how bad some of the Battleships really are? Some opinions, gentlemen?
Kery Nysell Nysell Incorporated Anarchy And Discord 67	Posted - 2013.01.26 12:58:00 - [2] - Quote It's a really good mission boat if your support skills are up to the challenge ... like all battleships, it is NOT noob-friendly. Don't really know for PvP, I think the usual wisdom is that missiles are "too slow" for that, instant damage of turrets is better. Of course, the best of the best ship for L4 running is the Machariel at the moment ... My skills : CLICKY
Daniel Plain Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 788	Posted - 2013.01.26 13:01:00 - [3] - Quote it is a decent mission ship if you're broke. you can make it work in pvp if you really want to, but other (turret) ships work better. "I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF
Kasutra Tailor Company Hashashin Cartel 127	Posted - 2013.01.26 14:35:00 - [4] - Quote It suffers a bit due to BS (and up) missiles being in need of a facelift. I really want to try a torpedo one in PvP, though. Should be funny against a webbed Drake.
Barrogh Habalu Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire 398	Posted - 2013.01.26 16:52:00 - [5] - Quote Kasutra wrote: It suffers a bit due to BS (and up) missiles being in need of a facelift. You know that something is screwed when CCP informs that they are looking into the matter. Potentially good news. Not before BS rebalancing though, I believe.
Maeltstome Mentally Assured Destruction 304	Posted - 2013.01.26 17:23:00 - [6] - Quote OldWolf69 wrote: "The Raven is the powerhouse of the Caldari Navy. With its myriad launcher slots and powerful shields, few ships can rival it in strength or majesty." Top or Flop? Is this Ship at least close to it's description, or it's just a way to discover how bad some of the Battleships really are? Some opinions, gentlemen? Tell me another battleship that can hit 1000dps while sporting a 750 DPS tank and call that sh*t too. Raven is fine. Just pretend it's a minmatar/gallente ship and then you'll probably whine that it's OP. Lost count of the number of "raven is bad?" threads ive read. They are wrong.
Maeltstome Mentally Assured Destruction 304	Posted - 2013.01.26 17:24:00 - [7] - Quote Kasutra wrote: It suffers a bit due to BS (and up) missiles being in need of a facelift. I really want to try a torpedo one in PvP, though. Should be funny against a webbed Drake. Anything that's microwarping will take a massive pounding from torps. It's acutally quite difficult to mitigate torp damage once your signature starts to increase. TP's, MWD's etc. are all crazy good for caldari.
Caleidascope Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 221	Posted - 2013.01.26 17:57:00 - [8] - Quote Works fine for me. Life is short and dinner time is chancy Eat dessert first!
Flakey Foont 227	Posted - 2013.01.26 17:59:00 - [9] - Quote Problem is that newer folks first train to sit in a BS then complain it sucks because they have not trained up the support skills to make it work right. They then post that a particular ship "sucks." A Raven is a great ship if you are skilled and know how to use it.
OldWolf69 GRIM MARCH SpaceMonkey's Alliance 18	Posted - 2013.01.27 03:01:00 - [10] - Quote Maeltstome wrote: OldWolf69 wrote: "The Raven is the powerhouse of the Caldari Navy. With its myriad launcher slots and powerful shields, few ships can rival it in strength or majesty." Top or Flop? Is this Ship at least close to it's description, or it's just a way to discover how bad some of the Battleships really are? Some opinions, gentlemen? Tell me another battleship that can hit 1000dps while sporting a 750 DPS tank and call that sh*t too. Raven is fine. Just pretend it's a minmatar/gallente ship and then you'll probably whine that it's OP. Lost count of the number of "raven is bad?" threads ive read. They are wrong. I just asked what you guys think. Never stated what i think. But go on, do your number.

loki energon Voodoo Children Workers Trade Federation 10	Posted - 2013.01.27 04:15:00 - [11] - Quote i run alot of L4s. i fly alot of ships. different ships, big ones, small ones, fast ones..... on my quest to be a capsuleer. in my mission hangar i currently have a command ship, 2 HACs, a faction cruiser, 3 frigs, and a Raven. if i have ANY inkling im not going to be able to run a mission in one of my other boats, ill grab my raven. it never lets me down ive run into a few harder mission that will run my shields into the far end but not many, and with the new micro-jump drive, the mechanics of ravenism has only gotten better. warp in, jump to 100km, and kill 'em all. kill em all.
Gypsio III Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork 509	Posted - 2013.01.27 11:07:00 - [12] - Quote Torp explosion radius is now 337.5 m which means that BS will take full damage and BCs will take plenty, without requiring any painting. I think the main problem with the Raven, aside from the generally lacklustre status of BS in general, is that it's just a bit too flimsy. Not enough medslots and no XLSEs to fit a decent buffer. Shifting a highslot to a medslot would go down well.
Maeltstome Mentally Assured Destruction 308	Posted - 2013.01.27 15:02:00 - [13] - Quote OldWolf69 wrote: Maeltstome wrote: OldWolf69 wrote: "The Raven is the powerhouse of the Caldari Navy. With its myriad launcher slots and powerful shields, few ships can rival it in strength or majesty." Top or Flop? Is this Ship at least close to it's description, or it's just a way to discover how bad some of the Battleships really are? Some opinions, gentlemen? Tell me another battleship that can hit 1000dps while sporting a 750 DPS tank and call that sh*t too. Raven is fine. Just pretend it's a minmatar/gallente ship and then you'll probably whine that it's OP. Lost count of the number of "raven is bad?" threads ive read. They are wrong. I just asked what you guys think. Never stated what i think. But go on, do your number. Said i lsot count of these threads, didn't say yours was one :)
Maeltstome Mentally Assured Destruction 308	Posted - 2013.01.27 15:03:00 - [14] - Quote Gypsio III wrote: Torp explosion radius is now 337.5 m which means that BS will take full damage and BCs will take plenty, without requiring any painting. I think the main problem with the Raven, aside from the generally lacklustre status of BS in general, is that it's just a bit too flimsy. Not enough medslots and no XLSEs to fit a decent buffer. Shifting a highslot to a medslot would go down well. Rigors make cruisers take full damage if they aren't AB'ing.
Sal Landry School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 29	Posted - 2013.01.27 21:45:00 - [15] - Quote Maeltstome wrote: Rigors make cruisers take full damage if they aren't AB'ing. No they don't. You might want to check your math there.
ITTigerClawIK Galactic Rangers R O G U E 188	Posted - 2013.01.28 12:53:00 - [16] - Quote i find a good torp setup with someone painting and webbing for you works amazingly well in PvP
Mr Floydy Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork 53	Posted - 2013.01.28 14:25:00 - [17] - Quote I've always seen the main issue with the Raven for PvP - is that in general armour fleets are more popular? It's clearly a good mission boat when compared to other non faction battleships!
SMT008 Wormholers Anonymous Transmission Lost 504	Posted - 2013.01.28 14:32:00 - [18] - Quote Maeltstome wrote: Tell me another battleship that can hit 1000dps while sporting a 750 DPS tank and call that sh*t too. Raven is fine. Just pretend it's a minmatar/gallente ship and then you'll probably whine that it's OP. Lost count of the number of "raven is bad?" threads ive read. They are wrong. It's pretty simple. PVE-wise, you have to fit cruise missiles for it to be practical. I guess it's a PVE ship that can be considered as "not-that-bad, flyable". PVP-wise, it's bad and one of the worst PVP battleships around. Sure it deals 1k DPS on paper. It has a weak tank, you absolutely need to have someone tackling for you (With webs) AND you need target painters if you want to really deal the amount of damage you are supposed to deal. Everytime you encounter a kiting ship or something fast with a small signature (Every T3s, most HACs, most cruisers), you won't do anything to it. The Megathron does a better job at close-range brawling. Same goes for the Rokh (higher tank, comparable damage, better damage projection at range). The Tempest is the most mobile of them all and it has dual-neuts, which is good. The Maelstrom can sport a very strong active-tank. The Hyperion does that and can solidly tackle things too. A small-gang Abbadon would probably work too. The Raven is just bad at PVP. Why would fly a ship that has troubles dealing any kind of damage everytime your target isn't solidly dual-webbed and dual targetpainted ? Did I mention its capacitor is retardedly bad too ?
Maeltstome Mentally Assured Destruction 310	Posted - 2013.01.28 14:48:00 - [19] - Quote Sal Landry wrote: Maeltstome wrote: Rigors make cruisers take full damage if they aren't AB'ing. No they don't. You might want to check your math there. checks math torps + 3x rigor = ~208m radius 208m * 0.75 (GMP lvl 5) = 156m Last time i check 125-200 was average cruiser size. depending on hull/shield mods. Care to retract your statement? Or do you have some broken logic to launch on me.
Sal Landry School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 29	Posted - 2013.01.28 21:15:00 - [20] - Quote Maeltstome wrote: checks math torps + 3x rigor = ~208m radius 208m * 0.75 (GMP lvl 5) = 156m No, they have radius of 208 with all 5 skills and 3 rigors. You're applying the skill bonus twice for some reason.

Verity Sovereign Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 369	Posted - 2013.01.29 13:08:00 - [21] - Quote Maeltstome wrote: OldWolf69 wrote: "The Raven is the powerhouse of the Caldari Navy. With its myriad launcher slots and powerful shields, few ships can rival it in strength or majesty." Top or Flop? Is this Ship at least close to it's description, or it's just a way to discover how bad some of the Battleships really are? Some opinions, gentlemen? Tell me another battleship that can hit 1000dps while sporting a 750 DPS tank and call that sh*t too. Raven is fine. Just pretend it's a minmatar/gallente ship and then you'll probably whine that it's OP. Lost count of the number of "raven is bad?" threads ive read. They are wrong. Since when have people whined that Gallente ships were OP'd? Nearly a decade? As to the question: the ship descriptions are all just fluff. Many BSs can rival or surpass it in strength The Raven doesn't have any special tanking ability relative to any other BS (at least not shield BSs), and 1000 DPS isn't all that great, a Domi can easily out do that. The pirate BSs will easily out do that. The Raven is widely regarded as a great mission boat, but its no Machariel. Cruise missiles aren't good for fleets, due to the delay in applying damage, they don't hit frigs too well (unlike turrets at long range, at least against NPCs that fly straight at you). It does deal pure selectable damage, which makes its respectable DPS even more respectable for missioning, and with a cruise fit, range is not an issue. Of course, the CNR is even better. It won't tank like a mael/Rohk/abaddon/rattler/SNI, but its ok. Its not OPd, but its not an "i win button" against other BSs (tech 1 or other).
Naes Mlahrend KINGS OF EDEN Sev3rance 45	Posted - 2013.01.29 13:15:00 - [22] - Quote Love my Raven
Maeltstome Mentally Assured Destruction 311	Posted - 2013.01.29 18:04:00 - [23] - Quote Sal Landry wrote: Maeltstome wrote: checks math torps + 3x rigor = ~208m radius 208m * 0.75 (GMP lvl 5) = 156m No, they have radius of 208 with all 5 skills and 3 rigors. You're applying the skill bonus twice for some reason. I was lead to believe they effected the size of the target based on its sig radius, not the exp radius of the missile.
Yabba Addict Red Shift Enterprises 56	Posted - 2013.01.29 19:47:00 - [24] - Quote Maeltstome wrote: Sal Landry wrote: Maeltstome wrote: checks math torps + 3x rigor = ~208m radius 208m * 0.75 (GMP lvl 5) = 156m No, they have radius of 208 with all 5 skills and 3 rigors. You're applying the skill bonus twice for some reason. I was lead to believe they effected the size of the target based on its sig radius, not the exp radius of the missile. That would be wrong


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