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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.07.13 15:26:00 -
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My distaste for these "RP" posts from the developers grows with leaps and bounds. What the f00k does this mean?:
The empires have launched a major investigation into the behavior of Concord agents, after it was revealed that contracts had not been fulfilled and many of their clients left without promised gains or in some cases, with actual losses. This revelation has sent shockwaves through the Concord administration and high level agents have already been suspended pending an investigation. No official statements have been issued as of yet, but a high ranking Concord official has stated off-record that "...the guilty will be removed from the ranks of Concord and the pages of history. Concord will prevail."
Does it mean that you actually intend to do something about the stupidity of sending a fleet after people that shoot training drones?
Does it mean that you actually intend to do something about ludicrous addition of the sentry guns in all sections of Empire space?
Does it mean that you actually intend to do something about the asinine ways you can attack others leaving them with no option to respond without incurring a sec hit and a laser raping, brought to you by Concord?
What the hell does it mean? LEARN TO COMMUNICATE CLEARLY AND EFFECTIVELY. Spinning yarns about your bugs and exploits is seriously frustrating to the people they involve.
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Daemun Khanid
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Posted - 2003.07.13 15:35:00 -
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Is it really so hard to understand? They state quite clearly that some agent missions weren't paying out properly and that it's being looked into. Maybe READ the message as opposed to complaining about the way it was written. Besides, from what I've seen they ussually follow up on such things in the Dev Blog,(In plain and simple wording for the feeble/short tempered) though they haven't yet I imagine it'll show up there fairly soon.
VADM. Daemun of Khanid |
Wu Tang
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Posted - 2003.07.13 15:52:00 -
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Jash, you are such a dork. I don't care how they put it peeps like you would still find a way to *****. oh and stop saying crap like "frustrating to the people they involve" you don't speak for me or anyone playing this game. if you got a prob with something then use the pitition.
now go away cuz your making the forums smell bad. |
Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.07.13 15:59:00 -
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<< Jash, you are such a dork. I don't care how they put it peeps like you would still find a way to *****. oh and stop saying crap like "frustrating to the people they involve" you don't speak for me or anyone playing this game. if you got a prob with something then use the pitition.
now go away cuz your making the forums smell bad. >>
Oh go **** yourself backwards with a jackhammer, you ****wad. If the forum moderators ain't doing a damn thing about you, I'm gonna push just like you do.
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Molly
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Posted - 2003.07.13 15:59:00 -
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Two smartass responses.
Actually I'd like to have some clear communictation too.
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"Molly > funny thing is, if they warn me for attacking in 1.0, why does a GM wish me luck doing so?
Jash Illian > perverse sense of humor?
Molly > lol
Jash Illian > honestly tho, because he prolly doesn't know bships" |
Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.07.13 16:04:00 -
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<< Is it really so hard to understand? They state quite clearly that some agent missions weren't paying out properly and that it's being looked into. Maybe READ the message as opposed to complaining about the way it was written. Besides, from what I've seen they ussually follow up on such things in the Dev Blog,(In plain and simple wording for the feeble/short tempered) though they haven't yet I imagine it'll show up there fairly soon. >>
Okau, wiseass. Tell me: is it just Concord faction agents or not? I'll gladly admit I missed the agent parts of the text, as Concord's actions concern me far more than the agents.
But the 'cute' factor only appeals to the suckups like you. I prefer my information plain, where there can be no confusion. If I used storytelling to describe networking issues to my boss, he'd shoot me.
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Daemun Khanid
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Posted - 2003.07.13 16:08:00 -
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If you act the same way in RL as you do in these forums I'd say you deserve it.
VADM. Daemun of Khanid |
Athren Soulsteal
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Posted - 2003.07.13 16:11:00 -
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Ok let me try....
Jash, molly... See Mr Agent told Mr Hat that if he went to the store for him Mr Agent would give Mr hat 2 cookies.
Well Mr Hat went to the store but when he got back Mr Agent did not give Mr hat the cookies he promiced.
Hope that helped explain it for you.
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Wu Tang
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Posted - 2003.07.13 16:11:00 -
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Jash, is that your ingame name cuz i'd love to kick your ass all over eve? i'll even sell you corps back to you.
oh and molly you don't got any room to talk after your little comment about US citizens.
Edited by: Wu Tang on 13/07/2003 16:16:32 |
Daemun Khanid
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Posted - 2003.07.13 16:14:00 -
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JASH,
BTW, I've never in my life encountered a mature adult with the language and manners of some of you on this forum. And I'm in the Navy so that's actually saying alot. It's pretty pathetic if you are any example of what is becoming of society. I won't comment on this any further as I believe it has become a pointless flamefest. Have a nice day.
Edited by: Daemun Khanid on 13/07/2003 16:14:43
VADM. Daemun of Khanid |
Molly
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Posted - 2003.07.13 16:16:00 -
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"BTW, I've never in my life encountered a mature adult with the language and manners of some of you on this forum. And I'm in the Navy so that's actually saying alot. It's pretty pathetic if you are any example of what is becoming of society. I won't comment on this any further as I believe it has become a pointless flamefest. Have a nice day."
1. Troll.
2. Who cares if you are in the navy or not.
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"Molly > funny thing is, if they warn me for attacking in 1.0, why does a GM wish me luck doing so?
Jash Illian > perverse sense of humor?
Molly > lol
Jash Illian > honestly tho, because he prolly doesn't know bships" |
Daemun Khanid
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Posted - 2003.07.13 16:21:00 -
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Molly,
Perhaps you've heard the phrase to "Curse like a sailor", it holds fairly true. That was my reason for mentioning that.
VADM. Daemun of Khanid |
Scrapyard Jack
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Posted - 2003.07.13 16:22:00 -
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"And I'm in the Navy"
ehehehe!
What are ya, a fan-buoy?
ehehehe!
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Daemun Khanid
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Posted - 2003.07.13 16:24:00 -
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:) Not too bad Jack.
VADM. Daemun of Khanid |
QBall
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Posted - 2003.07.13 16:24:00 -
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Me no understand RPing. Ooga Booga, what that meebee can't read news and understand. Uga musta bee CCP fault, so mee complain on uga msgboard where noobody cares about meeba.
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"OMG IT'S TRAMMEL 2.0!!!!"
-QBall
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Vacuole
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Posted - 2003.07.13 16:25:00 -
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Hmm, I seem to remember Molly apologizing for that comment.
Ah well.
She's irrational just like all those europeans!! Hehe, only teasing. :)
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.07.13 16:35:00 -
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Ooo...so many flames so little time.
Daemum Khanid:
<< If you act the same way in RL as you do in these forums I'd say you deserve it. >>
I rarely have to act this way to get a decent, straight answer out of anyone that I pay money to. McDonalds and Burger King provide better service than CCP does. And no, before you think up your next highly intelligent flame that can be seen coming about a mile out, I don't work at McDonalds or Burger King or Wendy's or any fast food restaurant. Nor have I in 16 years.
<< BTW, I've never in my life encountered a mature adult with the language and manners of some of you on this forum. And I'm in the Navy so that's actually saying alot. It's pretty pathetic if you are any example of what is becoming of society. >>
You should have spent more time in the real world instead of one where the courtesy people pay you depends on the number of stripes on your shoulders. And that's not a jab at those who choose a military career, as I respect most members of the military. You? Not a chance. And I suspect that if you had spent more time someplace where courtesy and respect were rigidly enforced by a chain of command, you would have spent a lot more of your life being insulted.
AND despite all this, you still haven't answered the question: Is it only Concord agents or all agents?
Wu Tang:
<< Jash, is that your ingame name cuz i'd love to kick your ass all over eve? i'll even sell you corps back to you. >>
Oh whatta guy. A measily 16k bounty with a -5 sec rating in the Republic Military School. That tells me you're a can sweeper and most likely an alt made specifically for the purposes of being annoying. Zippahead
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Molly
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Posted - 2003.07.13 16:37:00 -
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"Hmm, I seem to remember Molly apologizing for that comment.
Ah well.
She's irrational just like all those europeans!! Hehe, only teasing. :)"
No. I am simply just as ****ed as Jash about CCP's try to roleplay their bugs. And I don't like people turning some interesting points into a personal flamewar in attacking people with things they could be in real life and stating what they are by themself.
CONCORD is one of the worst implemented parts in the game and CCP should better no try to roleplay any of it's bugs IMHO.
So far, they went not into the history as the funny roleplaying company, but as the funny company roleplaying many of their bugs.
Instead of doing so, they could add more GM support at the weekends, finally fix some everlasting bugs and concept issues (CONCORD e.g.) and start some real roleplaying content.
I think that's basicly what Jash wanted to tell us.
But flame on.
Edited by: Molly on 13/07/2003 16:37:26
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"Molly > funny thing is, if they warn me for attacking in 1.0, why does a GM wish me luck doing so?
Jash Illian > perverse sense of humor?
Molly > lol
Jash Illian > honestly tho, because he prolly doesn't know bships" |
Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.07.13 16:38:00 -
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<< Me no understand RPing. Ooga Booga, what that meebee can't read news and understand. Uga musta bee CCP fault, so mee complain on uga msgboard where noobody cares about meeba.
QQ is QQ >>
Here's a suggestion:
Next time you discover a problem at work, try explaining the problem to your boss using interpretive dance. Don't be surprised if he fires you.
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
MaiLina KaTar
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Posted - 2003.07.13 16:47:00 -
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This game could be perfect and youŠd still whine. ThereŠs no way some of you guys will EVER stop whining.
You donŠt whine because you donŠt like things... you whine just for the sake of whining.
Mods please close this thread asap since the insults and the general manner in here clearly violates several forum rules.
Mai's Idealog |
j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.07.13 16:53:00 -
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Well, must say some clear-text version of the announcement (maybe in addition to the RP version, to satisfy both sides) would be welcome. Couldn't understand what that Concord corruption thing was supposed to mean even though running agent missions is the main thing i do and yes, i did read the original note. =P Perhaps because agent missions are given by NPCs from various, often private, corporations and hardly from Concord directly?
My guess was it was about the Concord police shooting people for silly offences thus causing them loss of their possesions intead of protecting them from the danger like it was promised... *shrugs*
Edited by: j0sephine on 13/07/2003 16:54:40
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Molly
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Posted - 2003.07.13 16:54:00 -
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"This game could be perfect and youŠd still whine. ThereŠs no way some of you guys will EVER stop whining.
You donŠt whine because you donŠt like things... you whine just for the sake of whining."
Aeh... Try to stay on the topic or stay away please.
I was not whining, but criticising some parts of the game.
I still like it.
Edited by: Molly on 13/07/2003 16:55:08
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"Molly > funny thing is, if they warn me for attacking in 1.0, why does a GM wish me luck doing so?
Jash Illian > perverse sense of humor?
Molly > lol
Jash Illian > honestly tho, because he prolly doesn't know bships" |
Nieda
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Posted - 2003.07.13 17:05:00 -
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Jash wrote:
"Here's a suggestion:
Next time you discover a problem at work, try explaining the problem to your boss using interpretive dance. Don't be surprised if he fires you."
priceless.
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drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2003.07.13 17:07:00 -
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In before the lock! WOOF! WOOF!
Also, I saw it upon logging in, read it, and deduced that concord agents weren't giving rewards. As I have no Concord agents, I simply moved on. I did not feel the need to bump the useful posts down with a thread about it.
I think you knew exactly what it meant, and you're being inflammatory.
Would you rather have a bug report that says "changed AG_TR_LVL_RW = 0.005 to changed AG_TR_LVL_RW = 0.0055. That should fix some things." There has to be a middle ground. Middle ground tech replies will be about as useful as RP'd bug warnings. So what's the diff?
I could understand foreign people having a hard time following them (if they could not read English), but come on..
Edited by: drunkenmaster on 13/07/2003 17:11:38
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.07.13 17:08:00 -
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<< This game could be perfect and youŠd still whine. ThereŠs no way some of you guys will EVER stop whining.
You donŠt whine because you donŠt like things... you whine just for the sake of whining. >>
I honestly don't expect the game to be perfect. There are too many factors that influence things to reasonably expect any developer to make a 'perfect' game.
However, I do expect their Customer Support and Communications to be near flawless. Customer Support is a very old concept. And Communications is literally ancient. CCP apparently refuses to act like a professional developer of a MMOG in most areas. Except the one where they want to be paid like a professional developer of a MMOG.
I have an exploit petition currently open. It's been open for 40 hours now without any response. During that 40 hour period, I came across a 2nd exploit and couldn't report it because I already have 1 open exploit petition. Mind you, I'm talking about an exploit and not a petition to report a cheat (someone that is using an exploit).
I watch on these forums as several of CCP's representatives, both paid and volunteer, do absolutely nothing beyond pure morale work. No answers to questions of substance. Ignoring violations of those same forum rules you mention based on bias. Over enforcing those same forums rules you mention based on bias. Lying (and while I understand a developer must occasionally lie for the sake of the common good, you have to be more adept at it. Some have been positively blatant lies).
I've even played a game of "Threat - Counterthreat" with a GM on a petition. After threatening me for following the advice concerning the petitioning of harassment, given by another representative of CCP's, we proceeded to duel over the recording of the petition. With him warning me that the entire petition history was being saved on the servers and would be used for further consequences. And with me warning him that the entire string of responses on my part and his were being saved on my end as well. And would clearly show when he decided to first threaten me without cause.
After 19 messages back and forth of similiar verbal maneuvering, he finally provided me with what I asked for around message number 3. Something he claimed the he did not have the entire time: an email address.
Bugs? Pfft...small potatos. Concept issues? More annoying, but nobody is omniscient. Poor service? Inexcusable.
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2003.07.13 17:20:00 -
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If your attitude to the support staff is anything like your attitude towards forum users, I'm not surprised they leave you waiting. Try being pleasant, and not treating them all as your paid slaves.
I've never waited more than a couple of hours for a response to a petition. But that may just be lucky timing, or the pleasant manner in which I word my concerns.
Being patient and pleasant is not only it's own reward, but also normally the fastest route between trouble and help.
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Rath Amon
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Posted - 2003.07.13 17:23:00 -
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I nominate this Jash Illian character for Drama Queen of Eve 2003. You're hilariously unbalanced.
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.07.13 17:46:00 -
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<< If your attitude to the support staff is anything like your attitude towards forum users, I'm not surprised they leave you waiting. Try being pleasant, and not treating them all as your paid slaves.
I've never waited more than a couple of hours for a response to a petition. But that may just be lucky timing, or the pleasant manner in which I word my concerns.
Being patient and pleasant is not only it's own reward, but also normally the fastest route between trouble and help. >>
First, I don't particularly subscribe to the concept that you have to be pleasant to get someone to do their job properly. And I've done customer support, including game support for a MMOG. And after enough time of people not doing their job, I can easily see them becoming the target of people venting. And some people at CCP have a distinct problem with doing their job.
As for the tone of my petitions and my responses to the GM Staff, I'm hardly a fool. I write my petitions with an extreme attention to what I say simply so that they have absolutely no cause whatsoever to claim I was being mean to them. Here's how the petition that went 19 rounds began:
Greetings, as advised by name of a representative of CCP, I am petitioning another incident of harassment. Text as follows:
No cussing, no name calling all throughout the hour long process. Just him lying to me and threatening me. With me refusing to accept either.
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.07.13 17:48:00 -
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<< I nominate this Jash Illian character for Drama Queen of Eve 2003. You're hilariously unbalanced. >>
If refusing to accept being treated like crap for something I pay for is 'hilariously unbalanced', where can I pick up my award? I'll gladly accept awards like that, no sarcasm intended.
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Tnelyos
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Posted - 2003.07.13 18:21:00 -
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you're complaining about the in-game news being roleplayed? what next? complaining that the agents roleplay?
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