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Ethan Freeman
New Eden Trade Group
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Posted - 2013.01.28 02:26:00 -
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Hello Market Discussion,
I'm the liaison between NETG and MD. Our past posts have not been positive, and my job is to do everything possible to prevent this from happening again.
Lets get down to business.
We are currently seeking equity loans, collateral is available but is limited. As long as we have collateral available we will be requesting loans.
Ideal terms:
-1.5% monthly return on principle -3 week length, with the possibility of options to extend 2 weeks at the end of original term -Collateral to be held by lender after negotiating value of collateral. Most items used as collateral are valued above 1 billion isk in Jita (ideally collateral is to be held by lender because of cancellation options mentioned below)
Cancellation option specifics:
-Lender has the right to cancel loan and recover isk at any time without penalty -NETG also has the right to cancel loan and recover collateral at anytime, however if we cancel a loan we are obligated to pay all interest owed per original loan agreement
Of course, all things are negotiable.
If interested please send me an Eve mail or contact me in game.
Thank you
Regarding business plan: We are traders, most isk is used to fund trade operations within highsec regions, we also manufacture items. Liquid isk is key to our strategies being successful. We do not like competition and will try to hold our cards as close to our chests as possible. That said, we understand transparency is crucial for a successful relationship.
Regarding bounties on corp and members: Unfortunately, due to the new bounty mechanic any player can place a bounty on any other player for no reason. Due to the fact than many believe we are scammers, we have been bombarded with bounties. I encourage all those who investigate us to look at what we offer objectively before passing us off as scammers.
Regarding API: There will never be one released. The reasons for this are many, but the most prominent is protecting our market gems (items we trade with little competition) and protecting the identity of our manufacturing and logistics wing to avoid war decs.
Please contact me if you have any further questions.
Thank you,
Ethan Freeman Forum Liaison/Account Manager New Eden Trade Group |

Ethan Freeman
New Eden Trade Group
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Posted - 2013.01.28 02:26:00 -
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Reserved once |

Ethan Freeman
New Eden Trade Group
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Posted - 2013.01.28 02:27:00 -
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Reserved twice |

Jerry T Pepridge
Meta Game Analysis and Investment INC.
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Posted - 2013.01.28 02:37:00 -
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would like pledge 20b |

Ethan Freeman
New Eden Trade Group
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Posted - 2013.01.28 02:38:00 -
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Jerry T Pepridge wrote:would like pledge 20b
Sarcasm will be ignored
Thank you |

Jerry T Pepridge
Meta Game Analysis and Investment INC.
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Posted - 2013.01.28 02:54:00 -
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Ethan Freeman wrote:Jerry T Pepridge wrote:would like pledge 20b Sarcasm will be ignored Thank you
others have pre-pledge 20b for me in their OP. kept me out of the thread.
i like how no-where in the OP mentions NAV.
you also mention the word collateral, however you do-not mention what it is.
as for api not being released, who's ever decision that was is an idiot, learn to trade in space.
all of the above are statements, i don't want/need answers.
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Alex Grison
Grison Interstellar
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Posted - 2013.01.28 02:54:00 -
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This isn't going to go any better than the first time. |

Ethan Freeman
New Eden Trade Group
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Posted - 2013.01.28 02:56:00 -
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Jerry T Pepridge wrote:Ethan Freeman wrote:Jerry T Pepridge wrote:would like pledge 20b Sarcasm will be ignored Thank you others have pre-pledge 20b for me in their OP. kept me out of the thread. i like how no-where in the OP mentions NAV. you also mention the word collateral, however you do-not mention what it is. as for api not being released, who's ever decision that was is an idiot, learn to trade in space. all of the above are statements, i don't want/need answers.
Thanks for the post
Define NAV please
Thanks |

Alex Grison
Grison Interstellar
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Posted - 2013.01.28 03:00:00 -
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Ethan Freeman wrote:Jerry T Pepridge wrote:Ethan Freeman wrote:Jerry T Pepridge wrote:would like pledge 20b Sarcasm will be ignored Thank you others have pre-pledge 20b for me in their OP. kept me out of the thread. i like how no-where in the OP mentions NAV. you also mention the word collateral, however you do-not mention what it is. as for api not being released, who's ever decision that was is an idiot, learn to trade in space. all of the above are statements, i don't want/need answers. Thanks for the post Define NAV please Thanks
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Claire Coffee
Coffee Inc
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Posted - 2013.01.28 03:01:00 -
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There are better and safer offers around. Considering your reputation you'd better have 120% collateral and much heftier interest rate to get any investor. Ai EM EICH OU DRINK COFFEE Do stupid things Faster with More Energy |

Jerry T Pepridge
Meta Game Analysis and Investment INC.
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Posted - 2013.01.28 03:09:00 -
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starting to see why only 1.5% is offered |

Ethan Freeman
New Eden Trade Group
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Posted - 2013.01.28 03:10:00 -
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Jerry T Pepridge wrote:starting to see why only 1.5% is offered
What is the standard/average rate of return for fully secured loans? |

Alex Grison
Grison Interstellar
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Posted - 2013.01.28 03:11:00 -
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Claire Coffee wrote:There are better and safer offers around. Considering your reputation you'd better have 120% collateral and much heftier interest rate to get any investor. Ai EM EICH OU
Claire I think we need to do buisness.
Please see our coffee weaponization research |

Claire Coffee
Coffee Inc
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Posted - 2013.01.28 03:16:00 -
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Avoid licking staircases! I think I'm going to train Empirez Controlz and make a Scam-Proof Coalition of Traders! 
EDIT: ...and accidentally crash the market  DRINK COFFEE Do stupid things Faster with More Energy |

Jerry T Pepridge
Meta Game Analysis and Investment INC.
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Posted - 2013.01.28 03:20:00 -
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NAV
1.5%, i commented as if you don't know what the above means, i struggle to see you guys breaking even on any trade.
next time, pre-pledge 20b. |

Ethan Freeman
New Eden Trade Group
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Posted - 2013.01.28 03:23:00 -
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Jerry T Pepridge wrote:NAV1.5%, i commented as if you don't know what the above means, i struggle to see you guys breaking even on any trade. next time, pre-pledge 20b.
Was asking what NAV means in regards to eve. In real life there are far more variables than in an internet spaceship game.
That said, im guessing value of assets, liquid isk, and buy order value will be sufficient. Please enlighten me if I'm wrong.
Thank you |

Jerry T Pepridge
Meta Game Analysis and Investment INC.
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Posted - 2013.01.28 03:35:00 -
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correct, what is the NAV, of your operation? i put a link there for you, as maybe it would have been easier to google it instead of asking here publically, exposing your knowledge, or lack thereof.
FYI: buy order value, is effected by the skill margin trading, its escrow you want, if your'e adding liquid isk into the equation.
why add it to a post? if you claim to have a footprint, numbers tend to help.
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Alex Grison
Grison Interstellar
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Posted - 2013.01.28 03:37:00 -
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Claire Coffee wrote:Avoid licking staircases! I think I'm going to train Empirez Controlz and make a Scam-Proof Coalition of Traders!  EDIT: ...and accidentally crash the market  EDIT2: ...and steal OPs gems! 
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=c7043&s=6
We are onto something |

Ethan Freeman
New Eden Trade Group
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Posted - 2013.01.28 03:40:00 -
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Jerry T Pepridge wrote:correct, what is the NAV, of your operation? i put a link there for you, as maybe it would have been easier to google it instead of asking here publically, exposing your knowledge, or lack thereof.
FYI: buy order value, is effected by the skill margin trading, its escrow you want, if your'e adding liquid isk into the equation.
why add it to a post? if you claim to have a footprint, numbers tend to help.
I intend to add it, thanks for the heads up. Any other advice is appreciated. We do have market experience, however our experience on market discussion forum is lacking.
Most would agree that over all, the MD community is a cynical bunch. That is why we have avoided it for the most part. |

Alex Grison
Grison Interstellar
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Posted - 2013.01.28 03:46:00 -
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Ethan Freeman wrote:Jerry T Pepridge wrote:correct, what is the NAV, of your operation? i put a link there for you, as maybe it would have been easier to google it instead of asking here publically, exposing your knowledge, or lack thereof.
FYI: buy order value, is effected by the skill margin trading, its escrow you want, if your'e adding liquid isk into the equation.
why add it to a post? if you claim to have a footprint, numbers tend to help.
I intend to add it, thanks for the heads up. Any other advice is appreciated. We do have market experience, however our experience on market discussion forum is lacking.
tl;dr "we know how to trade some items in eve, but we know nothing about economics." |

Jerry T Pepridge
Meta Game Analysis and Investment INC.
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Posted - 2013.01.28 04:03:00 -
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well, even in eve.
how do they know they are making isk, unless they are tracking some stats, e.g. nav. (the guy didn't even know the calculation.) |

Razor Rocker
Ellis Research
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Posted - 2013.01.28 04:13:00 -
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Email me a detailed list of what you can provide as collateral, the locations thereof and what percentage you expect the collateral to cover. |

Hanno Forsberg
Explorer Corps Exhale.
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Posted - 2013.01.28 04:16:00 -
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Quick question: Why does it matter if they provide APIs, or if they are profitable? So long as the collateral covers 110%-120% of the loan, does it really matter who they are and what they plan to do with the ISK? |

Claire Coffee
Coffee Inc
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Posted - 2013.01.28 04:18:00 -
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Hanno Forsberg wrote:Quick question: Why does it matter if they provide APIs, or if they are profitable? So long as the collateral covers 110%-120% of the loan, does it really matter who they are and what they plan to do with the ISK?
WHAT IF they're sponsoring your eviction with my money?  It's about ethics, you know
on a serious note: Some investors if not the majority are traders themselves. Would you like to support competition? Well maybe, but usually not. But then again if a Corp you're investing into sells stuff that has a dependency on commodities you sell then double-profit. Cool, eh? :-) DRINK COFFEE Do stupid things Faster with More Energy |

Jerry T Pepridge
Meta Game Analysis and Investment INC.
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Posted - 2013.01.28 04:27:00 -
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Hanno Forsberg wrote:Quick question: Why does it matter if they provide APIs, or if they are profitable? So long as the collateral covers 110%-120% of the loan, does it really matter who they are and what they plan to do with the ISK?
if you actually read the OP, they don't have alot of collateral & its crap.
Ethan Freeman wrote:collateral is available but is limited. As long as we have collateral available we will be requesting loans. Currently we are offering carriers located in low sec space as collateral among other useful items.
my comments are for them, not for the scrubs who invest in these things.
Coz at only 1.5% interest and collateral being held by no 3rd party and values at 120%, OP loses all his carriers at low low prices. unless the lender is equally into roleplay and gifts them back.
please read OP's.
lurkers: remember to pre-pledge 20b to avoid these incidents. |

Joshua Vaughn Lampen
Alzhara Industries Beacon Light Alliance
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Posted - 2013.01.28 04:29:00 -
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I see the fresh new thread in MD forums strategy has panned out as well as could expected. |

Ethan Freeman
New Eden Trade Group
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Posted - 2013.01.28 05:49:00 -
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Jerry T Pepridge wrote:Hanno Forsberg wrote:Quick question: Why does it matter if they provide APIs, or if they are profitable? So long as the collateral covers 110%-120% of the loan, does it really matter who they are and what they plan to do with the ISK? if you actually read the OP, they don't have alot of collateral & its crap. Ethan Freeman wrote:collateral is available but is limited. As long as we have collateral available we will be requesting loans. Currently we are offering carriers located in low sec space as collateral among other useful items. my comments are for them, not for the scrubs who invest in these things. Coz at only 1.5% interest and collateral being held by no 3rd party and values at 120%, OP loses all his carriers at low low prices. unless the lender is equally into roleplay and gifts them back. please read OP's. lurkers: remember to pre-pledge 20b to avoid these incidents.
1. What a lot* of collateral is differs depending on perspective, and seeing how becoming a carrier pilot is a goal for many in game i would not consider carriers crap.
2. No one in game has unlimited collateral, we are no different
3. Its not about role playing, its about not taking advantage of a situation because there is more value in the long run. |

Vera Algaert
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.01.28 08:01:00 -
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Hanno Forsberg wrote:Quick question: Why does it matter if they provide APIs, or if they are profitable? So long as the collateral covers 110%-120% of the loan, does it really matter who they are and what they plan to do with the ISK? it doesn't.
but persistently asking for API keys and other irrelevant information might lead to an interesting thread in an otherwise dull forum.
we call it "assessing how the business manager reacts under stress" and any potential investor should of course take part in this! how can you trust somebody when you don't know his breaking point?
will he lash out at his potential investors calling them trolls and worse? will he ask CCP to lock this thread? will he break down in tears and post his API keys? will he decide to get revenge for the humiliation by creating an army of scam alts? ...
you can't know until you've been there! I'm a NPC corp alt, any argument I make is invalid. |

Jerry T Pepridge
Meta Game Analysis and Investment INC.
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Posted - 2013.01.28 08:40:00 -
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any carriers/creads/ships/items etc, are de-valued as collateral, as they are "hard to get to" etc "not in jita", "Market could crash"
put simply, anything other than goods with an NPC price are not good collateral for YOU. goods with NPC price never lose the value, and "exact amounts" can be lent against them, with relative safety for both parties.
back to your devalued carrier.
the % the lender will devalue your stuff, will be higher than the % of interest you pay.
1.5% of that 800m is only a 12m payment. the lender unless into roleplay/reputation for the own scams, will just punt on the goods regardless of your lolimnotaroleplayer interest of only 12m
please tell me more about how carriers are good for YOU as collateral. |

Ethan Freeman
New Eden Trade Group
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Posted - 2013.01.28 08:47:00 -
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Jerry T Pepridge wrote:any carriers/creads/ships/items etc, are de-valued as collateral, as they are "hard to get to" etc "not in jita", "Market could crash"
put simply, anything other than goods with an NPC price are not good collateral for YOU. goods with NPC price never lose the value, and "exact amounts" can be lent against them, with relative safety for both parties.
back to your devalued carrier.
the % the lender will devalue your stuff, will be higher than the % of interest you pay.
1.5% of that 800m is only a 12m payment. the lender unless into roleplay/reputation for the own scams, will just punt on the goods regardless of your lolimnotaroleplayer interest of only 12m
please tell me more about how carriers are good for YOU as collateral.
1. We get less isk than the market value of the carrier 2. Lender can cancel his/her loan at any time because of changing values 3. Cap ship prices dont crash over night
The best argument is that they are stuck in low sec, but there will always be demand for carriers. You and I both know that. |
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