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Zinn Irate
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
8
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Posted - 2013.01.28 13:50:00 -
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I've been living in a C1, which makes no more money than L4 missions. And when you factor in the time for POS set up and fuel costs, it's probably less.
Anyway, I'm moving up to a C3 but I wanted to find out more from those who have lived in both what the difference in revenues are. How much on average does a C3 anom make? And how much better are the ladars? |

Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
1089
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Posted - 2013.01.28 14:00:00 -
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Zinn Irate wrote:I've been living in a C1, which makes no more money than L4 missions. And when you factor in the time for POS set up and fuel costs, it's probably less.
Anyway, I'm moving up to a C3 but I wanted to find out more from those who have lived in both what the difference in revenues are. How much on average does a C3 anom make? And how much better are the ladars?
First off, if you are wanting to live in any WH purely for its isk/hr you will be disappointed. That concept will leave you constantly frustrated. This is even in systems with a farmable static, due to the extra logistics, both in maintaining your POS, rolling the static to find a suitable system to farm etc.
If you are relying on your home system the issue is exacerbated.
That being said, you can still get filthy rich in any wormhole system, but you need to enjoy the WH life first.
I lived solo in a C1 for awhile, and found that on average the system would generate about 500mil per week in anoms etc. I lived in a C3 for awhile with a friend or two, and found on average it would clear about 1 billion a week from the spawning anoms etc.
Ladars are largely the same in C1-C3. I only started seeing slightly better Ladars when we moved to a C4.
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Le Badass
Zealots of Bob
54
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Posted - 2013.01.28 15:32:00 -
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I think part of the reason I personally have more ISK in the wallet, is because: 1. If there's no one online to stalk, there's not a lot other than anoms, sigs and PI to do. 2. There are no tempting trade hubs nearby for all those times when I get the crazy idea that I want to try out something expensive (which I'll mostly proceed to lose in short order). But yeah, living in a C3 or below doesn't make you space rich overnight, I agree. |

Judo Chopped
GET TO DA CHOPPER
9
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Posted - 2013.01.28 15:39:00 -
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Yeah pretty much what Derath says. I live in a C3 now with a few mates and we only really farm our own hole to fund the pvp. As many will say, your isk/hr in a wormhole is really only limited to the number of sites available. If you're in a C3 with a low-sec static for example, then mostly you will only have your own system to farm, unless you leave the comfort of your own home and go scanning for entrances in empire. If you're purely looking for isk/hr then make sure your hole has a static to another wormhole - you'll never run out of stuff to farm.
We may go a week or 2 without farming altogether and then BAM, in a couple of nights we farm the hole dry and would expect a couple 'a' billion. That's just the combat sites - the ladars take too long and even with an alt it's a pain to sit there for a couple+ of hours to mine out the Vast clouds. But if you do mine out the ladars as well, you can expect a few hundred million from those in any given week.
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Zoltan Lazar
123
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Posted - 2013.01.28 17:06:00 -
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Anoms spawn at the same rate, just they're each worth about two to three times as much.
Your best income will be in either a C5 or a C2. You want a hole that you can collapse the static to get more PvE. Of course, this only really works in a decent sized corp or alliance, solo collapsing stuff isn't worth the time. |

Cavilha
Tupy Industries
6
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Posted - 2013.01.28 18:55:00 -
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I live in a C3 and receives an average of 40 million per site executado.E take about 30 minutes to perform each one.
Ladar and Grav are equal. Radar and Mag not like doing. |

Godfrey Silvarna
Frozen Dawn Inc Arctic Light
64
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Posted - 2013.01.28 19:21:00 -
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The real income is in rolling your static, so the answer depends entirely on what static you have. |

Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
1092
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Posted - 2013.01.28 23:00:00 -
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Cavilha wrote:I live in a C3 and receives an average of 40 million per site executado.E take about 30 minutes to perform each one.
Ladar and Grav are equal. Radar and Mag not like doing.
30 minutes for a C3 site? What the heck are you using? t1 fit drake? |

Shamus O'Reilly
Gungnirs' Point I Know Right
70
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Posted - 2013.01.29 00:33:00 -
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Cavilha wrote:I live in a C3 and receives an average of 40 million per site executado.E take about 30 minutes to perform each one.
Ladar and Grav are equal. Radar and Mag not like doing. Been living in a C3 also. how you averaging only 40mil? across the combat/radars we make between 40 and 70 a site.
Edit: Please say you have salvaging to at least 4?
We also do the ladars and gravs... sadly. Including these into the factor of the ability to build T3 with finding the 420 and 540 gases (they dont spawn in C3s so you either go hunting in C5s that wander or buy it off market in hisec) and we're sitting on the potential for 4-6billion a month. This is also not including running other holes that we get often as it is a C3 and on some days we have up to 3 C2s, C3s, C4s, or C5s linking to us. Its a gold mine in here. |

GunnersMate07
Wormholers Anonymous Transmission Lost
7
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Posted - 2013.01.29 01:11:00 -
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Shamus O'Reilly wrote:Cavilha wrote:I live in a C3 and receives an average of 40 million per site executado.E take about 30 minutes to perform each one.
Ladar and Grav are equal. Radar and Mag not like doing. Been living in a C3 also. how you averaging only 40mil? across the combat/radars we make between 40 and 70 a site. Edit: Please say you have salvaging to at least 4?
Salvaging skill does not at all affect the value of isk you will pull from a site. Does not matter how many times misinformed people swear it, its still not true.
To the op, if you are looking to maximize isk making, like others are mentioning you need system with a w-space static (ie not a c1 or c3 since they only have kspace statics). A c2 w/ c3/hs static could work, although you will be hard pressed to find any uninhabited. In addition, C2's are highly traveled, so they are better if you intend to pvp (And why wouldnt you? Whats the point of making large amounts of isk in w-space if not to spend it on nice blingy ships to shoot other people in the face with?).
What I always recommend for people in your situation is a C4-C3. C4's are the least traveled of all the wormholes, and with the C3 static you can constantly roll and farm to your hearts content (but again... please spend your newfound wealth on pew ships and discover the sheer joy that is wspace pvp, the best pvp in the game). |

Shamus O'Reilly
Gungnirs' Point I Know Right
70
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Posted - 2013.01.29 01:15:00 -
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GunnersMate07 wrote:Shamus O'Reilly wrote:Cavilha wrote:I live in a C3 and receives an average of 40 million per site executado.E take about 30 minutes to perform each one.
Ladar and Grav are equal. Radar and Mag not like doing. Been living in a C3 also. how you averaging only 40mil? across the combat/radars we make between 40 and 70 a site. Edit: Please say you have salvaging to at least 4? Salvaging skill does not at all affect the value of isk you will pull from a site. Does not matter how many times misinformed people swear it, its still not true. To the op, if you are looking to maximize isk making, like others are mentioning you need system with a w-space static (ie not a c1 or c3 since they only have kspace statics). A c2 w/ c3/hs static could work, although you will be hard pressed to find any uninhabited. In addition, C2's are highly traveled, so they are better if you intend to pvp (And why wouldnt you? Whats the point of making large amounts of isk in w-space if not to spend it on nice blingy ships to shoot other people in the face with?). What I always recommend for people in your situation is a C4-C3. C4's are the least traveled of all the wormholes, and with the C3 static you can constantly roll and farm to your hearts content (but again... please spend your newfound wealth on pew ships and discover the sheer joy that is wspace pvp, the best pvp in the game). Thank you for the clarification on the salvaging skill o/
And i'll agree to Wspace PVP. Though i havent killed a ship in our hole yet ive been in Wspace fights before and they are just plain fun |

Yabbiy
Lead Farmers Origin Kill It With Fire
17
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Posted - 2013.01.29 01:54:00 -
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i'll put it this way, running C3 sites in a drake, you can do the site and salvage it by yourself in about 20-25minutes, in a C1 its more like 15minutes.
Now minimum in a C3 site you are guaranteed to make 30million isk off the stuff that sleepers drop, without actually salvaging the site thats just looting. And if one of the battleships drops something nice you can nearly double your isk.
In a C1 site you are not guaranteed anything. A friend and I used to live in a C2 static C1 and HS and one afternoon we ran 18 sites and for 3 straight sites I collected no more then 15mill or so. Also max you will make around 20mill per site if your super lucky.
C3 Sites = 25minutes of work for 30-50mill C1 Sites =15minutes of work for maybe 5-15mill
Which one would u prefer?
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Jack Miton
Aperture Harmonics K162
1340
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Posted - 2013.01.29 02:23:00 -
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Godfrey Silvarna wrote:The real income is in rolling your static, so the answer depends entirely on what static you have. ^this. in low class WHs the class youre living in is almost irrelevant. |

Kuning
The Kairos Syndicate Transmission Lost
25
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Posted - 2013.01.29 02:54:00 -
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The difference between profit in a C1 and a C3 is that in the C3 there is some. |

Harry Inskipp
Jupiter Roughriders We Suck At This Game
1
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Posted - 2013.01.30 01:01:00 -
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Also, keep in mind that in anything bigger than a C1, wormhole-killing alliance will sneak in a bunch of battleships over the weekdays (to get around the mass problem) and then clean you out over a weekend after they bring in all the non-battleship support ships through starting Friday night. If you stay in a C1, the logistics will be much, much more difficult, and with a Death Star setup you may just appear to be too much work....but only in a C1.
There are unstoppable alliances that clear out wormholes, which will further affect your ROI. Wormholes were intended to give small corporations some traction in "nullsec" space, but it really didn't work out that way. That's why you are starting to see more and more C2-C4 wormholes that are empty. The C5-C6 wormholes are usually occupied by large alliances. |

Tarunik Raqalth'Qui
The Kairos Syndicate Transmission Lost
99
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Posted - 2013.01.30 03:10:00 -
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Harry Inskipp wrote:Also, keep in mind that in anything bigger than a C1, wormhole-killing alliance will sneak in a bunch of battleships over the weekdays (to get around the mass problem) and then clean you out over a weekend after they bring in all the non-battleship support ships through starting Friday night. If you stay in a C1, the logistics will be much, much more difficult, and with a Death Star setup you may just appear to be too much work....but only in a C1.
There are unstoppable alliances that clear out wormholes, which will further affect your ROI. Wormholes were intended to give small corporations some traction in "nullsec" space, but it really didn't work out that way. That's why you are starting to see more and more C2-C4 wormholes that are empty. The C5-C6 wormholes are usually occupied by large alliances. What are you smoking? Some of Hans's stuff?
No, seriously, if you actually have an interest in fights, it's not a matter of how big or small your corp is, people won't want to evict you in the first place. See this posting by Ashimat, as well as the linked posts in that post.
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Zoltan Lazar
126
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Posted - 2013.01.30 03:59:00 -
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Harry Inskipp wrote:Also, keep in mind that in anything bigger than a C1, wormhole-killing alliance will sneak in a bunch of battleships over the weekdays (to get around the mass problem) and then clean you out over a weekend after they bring in all the non-battleship support ships through starting Friday night. If you stay in a C1, the logistics will be much, much more difficult, and with a Death Star setup you may just appear to be too much work....but only in a C1.
There are unstoppable alliances that clear out wormholes, which will further affect your ROI. Wormholes were intended to give small corporations some traction in "nullsec" space, but it really didn't work out that way. That's why you are starting to see more and more C2-C4 wormholes that are empty. The C5-C6 wormholes are usually occupied by large alliances.
I highly doubt you've ever spent more than a day in the same hole, if you've ever been in a wormhole at all. Evictions are quite difficult and rarely produce any reward- they're generally only done if you hate the other corp, or if you have a spy inside that has intel on shinies. |

Tarunik Raqalth'Qui
The Kairos Syndicate Transmission Lost
100
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Posted - 2013.01.30 20:33:00 -
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Zoltan Lazar wrote:Harry Inskipp wrote:Also, keep in mind that in anything bigger than a C1, wormhole-killing alliance will sneak in a bunch of battleships over the weekdays (to get around the mass problem) and then clean you out over a weekend after they bring in all the non-battleship support ships through starting Friday night. If you stay in a C1, the logistics will be much, much more difficult, and with a Death Star setup you may just appear to be too much work....but only in a C1.
There are unstoppable alliances that clear out wormholes, which will further affect your ROI. Wormholes were intended to give small corporations some traction in "nullsec" space, but it really didn't work out that way. That's why you are starting to see more and more C2-C4 wormholes that are empty. The C5-C6 wormholes are usually occupied by large alliances. I highly doubt you've ever spent more than a day in the same hole, if you've ever been in a wormhole at all. Evictions are quite difficult and rarely produce any reward- they're generally only done if you hate the other corp, or if you have a spy inside that has intel on shinies. Sometimes, people do leave their shinies hanging out in the breeze, so to speak...(people have some real misconceptions about floating caps) |

Crazy Jade
xLegion of the dammedx.
10
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Posted - 2013.01.31 23:02:00 -
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Sorry but salvaging skill does help if you read it
Quote " Proficiency at salvaging ship wrecks. Required skill for the use of salvager modules. 100% increase in chance of salvage retrieval per additional level."
Henceforth an extra 100% chance to get something between level 4 and level 5 |

Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
1096
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Posted - 2013.01.31 23:09:00 -
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Crazy Jade wrote:Sorry but salvaging skill does help if you read it
Quote " Proficiency at salvaging ship wrecks. Required skill for the use of salvager modules. 100% increase in chance of salvage retrieval per additional level."
Henceforth an extra 100% chance to get something between level 4 and level 5
Yes it helps your chance of successfully salvaging, independent of what salvage you get. |

Castor Troyy
DEEP-SPACE CO-OP LTD Exhale.
10
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Posted - 2013.02.01 01:22:00 -
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Get you a buddy, I can remember doing our own C3's. A RL bud and I would have our main and 1 alt (4 toons total). I can remember it taking a good 15 to 20 min for one c3 in those drakes we thought we were so cool in but when we learned that gunboats (ie maelstrom/nightmare) were the ticket...when we had some good skill points (less than 15-20 mil but well focused)..we could do one anom in under 5 min. we would do 8 or 9 sites straight before we would break out the salvagers. Idk what your sp situation is, but you can generate a pretty nice income with low up keep, and see your profit margin widen. The 20 min anomoly is something we all had to go through if you lived in wh early in your wh life....I had around 3 or 4 mil sp when I moved into a c3 with a small corp...then a few months after that...we started our own corp and inhabited our own c3 for a couple years. It was fun and profitable. We would actually leave anomolies up so it would "appear" that we were inactive to those HS divers/c2 farmers, It was really fun, it would drum up some pew, and was really fun ganking people that had no idea what was going on until they were pointed. hey..you gotta be creative right  |

Piugattuk
Lima beans Corp
327
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Posted - 2013.02.01 04:16:00 -
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You WH folk better hush up about what you make before people start crying to nerf you too. |

Castor Troyy
DEEP-SPACE CO-OP LTD Exhale.
10
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Posted - 2013.02.01 05:04:00 -
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It's not like this is an iskie printing press...when u run out of sites you run out for a couple days..maybe u get lucky and a few spawn, not likely. You will never have 10 sites spawn over night. [it takes days for this.]...the guys who cry about nerfing wh loot value really dont have a leg to stand on, they cry about the unfair amounts of isk...but it certainly takes an investment, and if you do it wrong, you lose isk. It's well balanced for the risk vs reward. The hs miners/missioners can cry all they want, its balanced enough.
I'm trying to help out some of the lower class guys, give them advice. Help them to learn from my mistakes. I didn't have any help coming up, of course I didn't follow along in these forums either, the same aid might have been there a few years ago. Some guys have the opinion that they had to learn the hardway, and so should the new guys. I'm going to help and share the best I can. The guys who complain about other people making too much isk are out of touch. If they think us WH folk make too much, I challenge them to move in to the c3 discussed in this thread, make the investment in POS/Ships/Defence/Fuel etc. defend it and yeild those insane amounts of isk. After a month or 2, they will have a different opinion. |

Mark Blema
BlueBeards Basement
0
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Posted - 2013.02.23 23:30:00 -
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Castor Troyy wrote: If they think us WH folk make too much, I challenge them to move in to the c3 discussed in this thread, make the investment in POS/Ships/Defence/Fuel etc. defend it and yeild those insane amounts of isk. After a month or 2, they will have a different opinion.
Took the words right from my mouth.
That said if you truly don't mind helping please let me know. Ive been trying to find someone that will let me pick their brain.
I fly mostly minny, and would love to get some suggestions on which boat will work in a c3 considering cost of ship vs time to run site vs average isk earned.
And that's just the first question. |

Castor Troyy
DEEP-SPACE CO-OP LTD Exhale.
22
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Posted - 2013.02.26 15:08:00 -
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Mark Blema wrote:Castor Troyy wrote: If they think us WH folk make too much, I challenge them to move in to the c3 discussed in this thread, make the investment in POS/Ships/Defence/Fuel etc. defend it and yeild those insane amounts of isk. After a month or 2, they will have a different opinion. Took the words right from my mouth. That said if you truly don't mind helping please let me know. Ive been trying to find someone that will let me pick their brain. I fly mostly minny, and would love to get some suggestions on which boat will work in a c3 considering cost of ship vs time to run site vs average isk earned. And that's just the first question.
sure..pc me in game or mail me..im here to help :) |

Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
499
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Posted - 2013.02.28 21:43:00 -
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GunnersMate07 wrote:
Salvaging skill does not at all affect the value of isk you will pull from a site. Does not matter how many times misinformed people swear it, its still not true.
No but you do need salvaging 4 to access some of the sleeper wrecks. Unless you are using rigs and/or implants to boost salvaging. But with salvaging trained to 4 you can access just about anything.
but then again anyone who relies on salvage for income as much as a W-space dweller, should have salvaging trained to 5 so you can use T2 salvagers.
You may not be able to affect the salvage you get from a wreck, but with good skills you can not only access harder wrecks, but with a higher salvage chance you will do it faster. The salvage you get does not change, but being able to salvage faster, and access more difficult wrecks, will give you a higher isk/hr.
and less time spent in the site salvaging, means less chances for others to jump you. |

Imustbecomfused
For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge
31
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Posted - 2013.03.03 20:49:00 -
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Good thread read. :) I njoyed it.
Even though Im still pretty noobish in Eve, I have some experience in wh's and null-sec. I hadnt started low and worked my way up like most have, from my pov. When I first started Eve I was in a HS corp and I had bugged our ceo for months about going into a Wh... and finally, we did. It was a c4 with a c2 static. Thought this was awesome however, I wasnt able to make much isk if I was the only or one of a few players on. I was low in sp and new to the game all together. I managed to make isk as a group and as a group only...
I had wanted to make isk solo however, the more risk, the more isk. I had lived in a c5 as well, but we all know a c5 is a group effort to make isk efficiently. I miss the c4... we had easy access to hs, as most c2s have a hs static... and a lot of higher class whs drop into c3 and c4... we were always farming higher class wh's that what we lived in.
I cant give you numbers, as there are many variables, like how many pilots you have to split the profit with... but, living in a wh that you could solo in, would be something for me to consider, if I choose to inhabit another wh.
I will likely be going for a c3- with a higher class wh static if the option exists. I can solo c3;s sites with a command ship, and an alt rr or dmg dealer. So I can dual box c3 sites solo where as in other situations, I rely on others and make less. Now, I havent had the greatest luck finding a great corp to stick with, except the first corp I as in, which has disbanded. So I dont have a 50 member basis to help make isk. If that was the case, I would not go lower than a c5. Even as a small corp, you can make great isk in a c5 if you are specialized and focused.
I know c3 sites used to make us, me and my alt, about 100 mil per 3-5 sites. thats about 30 mil a site iirc.
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Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
1196
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Posted - 2013.03.03 22:10:00 -
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Imustbecomfused wrote:Good thread read. :) I njoyed it.
Even though Im still pretty noobish in Eve, I have some experience in wh's and null-sec. I hadnt started low and worked my way up like most have, from my pov. When I first started Eve I was in a HS corp and I had bugged our ceo for months about going into a Wh... and finally, we did. It was a c4 with a c2 static. Thought this was awesome however, I wasnt able to make much isk if I was the only or one of a few players on. I was low in sp and new to the game all together. I managed to make isk as a group and as a group only...
I had wanted to make isk solo however, the more risk, the more isk. I had lived in a c5 as well, but we all know a c5 is a group effort to make isk efficiently. I miss the c4... we had easy access to hs, as most c2s have a hs static... and a lot of higher class whs drop into c3 and c4... we were always farming higher class wh's that what we lived in.
I cant give you numbers, as there are many variables, like how many pilots you have to split the profit with... but, living in a wh that you could solo in, would be something for me to consider, if I choose to inhabit another wh.
I will likely be going for a c3- with a higher class wh static if the option exists. I can solo c3;s sites with a command ship, and an alt rr or dmg dealer. So I can dual box c3 sites solo where as in other situations, I rely on others and make less. Now, I havent had the greatest luck finding a great corp to stick with, except the first corp I as in, which has disbanded. So I dont have a 50 member basis to help make isk. If that was the case, I would not go lower than a c5. Even as a small corp, you can make great isk in a c5 if you are specialized and focused.
I know c3 sites used to make us, me and my alt, about 100 mil per 3-5 sites. thats about 30 mil a site iirc.
It's easy to dual box C4 sites. If a C4 is your thing.
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Cage Man
174
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Posted - 2013.03.03 23:31:00 -
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Without salvaging 4 you not going to be able to salvage the BS wrecks... no matter how many salvage rigs you have. C3 is pretty profitable.. If I could find an empty one.. I would most certainly jump in with some corp mates.. solo gets pretty boring.. you actually start talking to the sleepers and forget to hit dscan and ...boom.. there's a bhalg on your ass.. bye bye tengu  Oh PLEASE!!! CCP Fozzie Can I haz a Navy moa....... |

Dr Agropoly
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
10
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Posted - 2013.03.03 23:46:00 -
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Cage Man wrote:Without salvaging 4 you not going to be able to salvage the BS wrecks... no matter how many salvage rigs you have. C3 is pretty profitable.. If I could find an empty one.. I would most certainly jump in with some corp mates.. solo gets pretty boring.. you actually start talking to the sleepers and forget to hit dscan and ...boom.. there's a bhalg on your ass.. bye bye tengu 
That is false, I have salvaging 3 on this toon and used him once when my alt was not nearby. Noctis with 2 rigs worked slow as hell but nevertheless. |
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