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Alowishus	Posted - 2005.07.11 15:07:00 - [31] Edited by: Alowishus on 11/07/2005 15:09:56 Ok, here's what I tried so far: 6x Arby Cruise 2x Large 'Notos' Explosive (because this is still the fastest way to kill 80% of the frigs I encounter) 1x Large Shield Booster 2 4x Named Hardener 1x Target Painter 5x PDU2 Killing frigs was still painful and having not trained the new shield skill I ran out of cap while running my booster constantly with the target painter. So I tried this: 3x Arb Cruise 3x Arb Siege 2x Heavy Neutron 1x Web 1x Painter 4x Eutectic Cap Charger 1x Large Automated 1x Medium T2 Rep 3x N-Type Hardener (Kin, Exp, Therm) I almost died. Well not really. Fighting two Commanders (500k) I got down to 20% armor and ran out of cap. Armor tanked Raven isn't really viable for NPC hunting Angels but might be for PvP or Sansha's/Bloods. To top it off, this didn't help my situation any, still took forever to kill frigs. So I'm back to this: 3x Arby Cruise 3x Arby Siege 2x Large 'Notos' Explosive 1x Large Shield Booster 2 4x Named Hardener 1x Target Painter 5x PDU2 What I've learned is that trying to shoot frigs down with missiles is a waste of time and resources. Don't bother. The plus side is that if you're not using missiles to kill frigs then you don't have to waste a slot on a painter or web. It's pointless. Best way to kill frigs: Dual large smartbomb (for <5km orbit) Drones (for >5km orbit) I can't really complain. When I hunted Sansha's in my Apoc for six months I used one large smartbomb and drones to kill frigs. So I'm really back to where I was then. But basically, don't bust your ass trying to figure out how to quickly kill frigs in your Raven. I've done the work for you. Those days are gone. Also, wanted to add something. If all the NPCs are firing at you, if you put a launcher on all of them (so up to six targets) they won't unlock you and lock your drones. It's a marginal waste of cruise/torps but it saves your drones which are very important now. http://ig.eve-fix.com/kb/corp_detail.php?crp_id=110 Raven 4TW! Rank(1) SP: 243745/256000 http://www.galaktek.com/eve/bin/lvl5
Alowishus	Posted - 2005.07.11 15:13:00 - [32] Oh, by the way, I want to also add that fighting Angels is entirely different than any other NPC. If you're fighting Bloods/Sansha's primarily then you really have no idea. Angels are killers. http://ig.eve-fix.com/kb/corp_detail.php?crp_id=110 Raven 4TW! Rank(1) SP: 243745/256000 http://www.galaktek.com/eve/bin/lvl5
Colthor	Posted - 2005.07.11 15:28:00 - [33] Originally by: Alowishus Originally by: Konietzko I'm not much of an NPCer, but don't NPCs only warp disrupt a max of 1 strength? Can't you just fit 1 stab and warp away when the BS/Cruisers are dead? Why waste the time/effort killing impossible to hit frigs. This is a good question and I've gotten varying answers on it over the months. I have no idea why I've never tried it myself. Can anyone confirm? A single WCS kept my Raven safe every time bar once before the patch. I aggro'd everything in the Angel Extravaganza bonus stage. Whoops. Don't know if this holds for 0.0 NPCs. -- OTO are selling Impel and Bustard transport ships. Contact Tsavong Lah or Lacero Callrisian for details. Like mining, hauling or building? Join OTO!
Skunkaben	Posted - 2005.07.11 15:56:00 - [34] KK, ill try some 125 IIs as soon as i get hold of them Originally by: Alowishus Using a damage mod to modify two frig guns on a BS is complete waste of a slot, just so you know. How come? Would another ballistic be more worth while? Ta
Regma	Posted - 2005.07.11 16:22:00 - [35] Originally by: Tadis Now for the winner... the underated drones. Make sure you use drones with damage that is racial specific to your target. a mix of heavy/medium suffices well. I dont even use a webber yet npc inty's/frig die very quickly against a full compliment of drones so why waste a slot. Likewise for cruisers, torps can dmg them but as can drones. See, this is what I was thinking, load up a full bay, which is, what, 7 heavy drones? Lose a mid to a webber if you have to, doesn't matter that much. Wait until the little pests are orbiting you, doing their web/scramble thing, and send the drones in, web them, one by one and watch them pop. You can all do this as you nail the Battleships. Simple really. I used to always make sure I had a bay of drones with me. Even if the NPC switch target to your drones, it doesn't matter that much if you're out in 0.0, just use them when you need to. Disclamer: I'm saying all that and I haven't tried to fly a Raven since the patch, so what I'm saying could be complete rubbish. I doubt it, though.
Hast	Posted - 2005.07.11 16:23:00 - [36] faction smartbomb not that I can afford one
Alowishus	Posted - 2005.07.11 16:34:00 - [37] Raven holds 6 heavy drones. I've not had a problem with heavy drones killing frigs. I still wonder if 9 mediums would work better than 6 heavies. Anyone have hard data on this? http://ig.eve-fix.com/kb/corp_detail.php?crp_id=110 Raven 4TW! Rank(1) SP: 243745/256000 http://www.galaktek.com/eve/bin/lvl5
Jane Vladmir	Posted - 2005.07.11 17:14:00 - [38] Edited by: Jane Vladmir on 11/07/2005 17:14:43 Originally by: Skunkaben 1 mag stab II Failed.
DrunkenOne	Posted - 2005.07.11 17:19:00 - [39] in 0.0 ive been chainin BS spawns with 5x frigs or so, and though I'm in an apoc and not a raven, I'm using none of my guns to hit frigs, simply t2 painter + 6 drones, kills them pretty damn fast, so I don't see why ravens would be any different as they both have same sized dronebays. Btw apoc=win, 8 dual heavy anode beams + dual large accomn tank + t2 painter vs blood raiders = poor blood raiders jagerbomb part 2 now out
Vasq	Posted - 2005.07.11 17:37:00 - [40] Originally by: Colthor Originally by: Alowishus Originally by: Konietzko I'm not much of an NPCer, but don't NPCs only warp disrupt a max of 1 strength? Can't you just fit 1 stab and warp away when the BS/Cruisers are dead? Why waste the time/effort killing impossible to hit frigs. This is a good question and I've gotten varying answers on it over the months. I have no idea why I've never tried it myself. Can anyone confirm? A single WCS kept my Raven safe every time bar once before the patch. I aggro'd everything in the Angel Extravaganza bonus stage. Whoops. Don't know if this holds for 0.0 NPCs. AFAIK 0.0 npc's will jam for -1 each frig (unless things have changed recently) many of my friends have lost ships fitted with 2 wcs, personaly i fit 3. I didn't know missions frigs wil only jam u for -1 in total, u lucky buggers Smoke me a kipper, i'll be back for breakfast!

Alowishus	Posted - 2005.07.11 19:00:00 - [41] Three WCS would gimp most setups. http://ig.eve-fix.com/kb/corp_detail.php?crp_id=110 Raven 4TW! Rank(1) SP: 243745/256000 http://www.galaktek.com/eve/bin/lvl5
Vasq	Posted - 2005.07.12 17:50:00 - [42] Originally by: Alowishus Three WCS would gimp most setups. OFC it would, its a set up all of its own! many ppl have asked me my set up, when i tell em they dont like it! strange how i've only lost 1 megathron in the past 18 months and killed over 1,000 npc bs's Smoke me a kipper, i'll be back for breakfast!
Alowishus	Posted - 2005.07.12 17:56:00 - [43] I feel the same way about my setups. Over a year and only lost one Raven to a commander spawn. So tell me your Mega setup, I'll listen. http://ig.eve-fix.com/kb/corp_detail.php?crp_id=110 Raven 4TW! Rank(1) SP: 243745/256000 http://www.galaktek.com/eve/bin/lvl5
Vasq	Posted - 2005.07.12 18:55:00 - [44] lol, ok then, highs 6 x 425 rails (was proto now tech 2) 2 assault launcher (was hvy missile pre patch) meds 1 100mn mwd (quad liff) 1 sensor booster (tech 2) 2 trackin comps (tech 2) lows 2 dmg mods (1 serp 1 tech 2) 2 cpr 3 named wcs i use 120 km bookmarks and iridium ammo and its very cpu intensive p.s. the mega i lost only had 2 wcs have u had time to get a new post patch raven set up? Smoke me a kipper, i'll be back for breakfast!
Alowishus	Posted - 2005.07.12 19:20:00 - [45] I'm using this: 3x Arby Cruise 3x Arby Siege 2x Large 'Notos' Explosive 1x Large Shield Booster 2 4x Named Hardener 1x Eutectic 5x PDU2 http://ig.eve-fix.com/kb/corp_detail.php?crp_id=110 Raven 4TW! Rank(1) SP: 243745/256000 http://www.galaktek.com/eve/bin/lvl5
Altar Mei	Posted - 2005.07.12 19:30:00 - [46] Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe the ony faction Smartb that has a large enough damage radius is Estamels. Last one I saw on escrow was only 850mil.
Alowishus	Posted - 2005.07.12 19:46:00 - [47] Check Eve-I, a lot of smart bombs have 9-10km range, but most of them I've never seen ingame and they also take 2000+ grid. A pair of 10km smart bombs would be great but I'm not holding my breath. Angels have four kinds of ceptor (I think): 1300 3300 5300 (doh!) 8400 There might be one more that is out further but mainly I run into 1300 and 3300 80% of the time and 5300 and 8400 all the rest. http://ig.eve-fix.com/kb/corp_detail.php?crp_id=110 Raven 4TW! Rank(1) SP: 243745/256000 http://www.galaktek.com/eve/bin/lvl5


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