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Alowishus
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Posted - 2005.07.08 14:50:00 -
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I didn't want to spring for a set of Arbs so I'm going to wait for T2.
This was my old Angel Setup:
6x Siege
2x Large 'Notos' Explosive (80% of the ceptors I ran into were within SB range, these save on torps, obviously I never ran these AND the launchers)
1x Large Shield Booster 2
4x Named Hardener, one of each damage type
1x Eutectic Cap Recharger
5x PDU2
Pretty simple. This is my new proposed setup as soon as the stuff is available and I'm ready to use it:
3x Siege 2
3x Cruise 2
2x ? (some kind of turret to help kill close orbit frigs)
1x Large Shield Booster 2
4x Named Hardener, one of each damage type
1x Target Painter 2 (now that shield compensation is out)
5x PDU2
Any thoughts?
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Kinsy
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Posted - 2005.07.08 15:40:00 -
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2x 150mm Railgun II's.
Easy :)
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Maestro Feyd
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Posted - 2005.07.08 15:42:00 -
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Bah, 2 miner IIs. You get the bounty from the npc and mine a roid at the same time.
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Alowishus
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Posted - 2005.07.08 15:49:00 -
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I can't use 150mm2. Will they really take frigs down fast? Day the patch came out I had my alt ready to help me, she was in a Stabber with 4x 280mm 'Scout' and it took her forever to kill one ceptor. Granted, her skills suck but she had four guns going.
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Random
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Posted - 2005.07.08 15:58:00 -
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Edited by: Random on 08/07/2005 15:59:33
Btw i wuld use med beams TII instead of the 150mmTII, more tracking and overall without ship bonuses beter gun (and no ammo) and yes u can kill a dumb inty pilot with 2 med beams TII but it takes about 30 secks or so using infrared.
vs angel npc's med beams take sum time to killem, but thats why u have drones.
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Alowishus
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Posted - 2005.07.08 16:01:00 -
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Good info so far. Need more. What about medium T2 projectiles? 650mm2 with EMP?
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Lily Savage
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Posted - 2005.07.08 16:03:00 -
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Edited by: Lily Savage on 08/07/2005 16:04:21
 Originally by: Alowishus
I can't use 150mm2. Will they really take frigs down fast? Day the patch came out I had my alt ready to help me, she was in a Stabber with 4x 280mm 'Scout' and it took her forever to kill one ceptor. Granted, her skills suck but she had four guns going.
Two of them won't, especially things like merc wingmen. Maybe the combination of these and drones will be good enough, though I'm wondering if 3 small turrets (shudder) is the way to go.
Maybe drop a hardener and fit 2nd painter or webber?
BTW, It's an old argument, but some ppl prefer 125mm rails due to better tracking and ROF.
Edit: typo
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Roba
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Posted - 2005.07.08 17:06:00 -
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Fit all cruise missile launchers. Now train that sheild booster efficency skill up to lvl 4 (takes only a day or so), if you are dedicated take it to lvl 5. Now drop 2 pdu II and add 2 ballistic controls. For the two extra slots you have fit quad light beam IIs or dual 150mm II.
The quad lights rip into frigates and crusiers really well.
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Konietzko
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Posted - 2005.07.08 17:15:00 -
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I'm not much of an NPCer, but don't NPCs only warp disrupt a max of 1 strength? Can't you just fit 1 stab and warp away when the BS/Cruisers are dead? Why waste the time/effort killing impossible to hit frigs.
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Sorja
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Posted - 2005.07.08 17:19:00 -
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You won't hit the frigates with 150' tech II, they orbit too fast at 7500m.
You'll need a webber, even with 125'
I only have motion prediction 4, of course.
Small lasers have better tracking, try it if you have lasers trained.
Many people are stating that they don't use small rails and only rely on drones, fitting 2x425 in highs, check the other posts on the same subject.
Of course, if the frigates/cruisers come to you at range, you'll be able to pop them in a heartbeat, like turrets can.
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Alowishus
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Posted - 2005.07.08 17:35:00 -
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Originally by: Konietzko
I'm not much of an NPCer, but don't NPCs only warp disrupt a max of 1 strength? Can't you just fit 1 stab and warp away when the BS/Cruisers are dead? Why waste the time/effort killing impossible to hit frigs.
This is a good question and I've gotten varying answers on it over the months. I have no idea why I've never tried it myself.  Can anyone confirm?
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Alowishus
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Posted - 2005.07.08 17:36:00 -
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Yep, I'm aware of how good lasers track, and I'm specialized in lasers, however, on Angels they do crap damage.
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ErrorS
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Posted - 2005.07.08 17:41:00 -
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Originally by: Roba
Fit all cruise missile launchers. Now train that sheild booster efficency skill up to lvl 4 (takes only a day or so), if you are dedicated take it to lvl 5. Now drop 2 pdu II and add 2 ballistic controls. For the two extra slots you have fit quad light beam IIs or dual 150mm II.
The quad lights rip into frigates and crusiers really well.
I agree with this UNLESS the ships you're fighting use defenders. It makes it impossible to break their tank unless you can get in close.
I carry 2 siege launchers for this very reason
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marioman
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Posted - 2005.07.08 17:59:00 -
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Try 2 Modal Light Neutron's for the 2 high slots with iridium ammo, they eat them ceptors up and give about 7km range
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Moridan
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Posted - 2005.07.08 18:03:00 -
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Heck, i am trying Medium Autocannons, 220s. They track well and do decent damage. Of course i have a ton of skills in them too. :)
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TIvian
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Posted - 2005.07.08 20:22:00 -
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the only reason I am using the Large Hybrids is because there the only named large guns I have. I am sniping frigs at long range when I can. when they are under 15K its pointless to shoot at them.
I really don't see much reason to not throw large missiles at frigs they still hit. and it still hurts and it still kills them...just takes more to do it.
FYI> I did try Light Missiles and they hit for nothing. and didn't have the range.
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Lily Savage
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Posted - 2005.07.08 20:41:00 -
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Pay attention at the back; we're talking PVE.
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Elfaen Ethenwe
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Posted - 2005.07.09 12:41:00 -
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i would still go for 5 pdu2's
in midsa. xl booster 3 hardners shield boost amp and tech 2 shield extendor
11k shields 4tw
i would go for 6 cruise 1 sb 1 nos in highs
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Olek Skillgannon
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Posted - 2005.07.09 15:38:00 -
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Er, a newb question, what's a PDU2?
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Skunkaben
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Posted - 2005.07.10 22:44:00 -
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Edited by: Skunkaben on 10/07/2005 22:49:58
Edited by: Skunkaben on 10/07/2005 22:49:38
6 seige, 2 150s (soon to be IIs)
3 hardeners, booster, amp & target painter II
3 pdu IIs, 1 ballistic, 1 mag stab II
kills npc spawns quite easily, just takes alittle longer than before.
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And as many drones as u can carry
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Alowishus
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Posted - 2005.07.10 23:12:00 -
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Using a damage mod to modify two frig guns on a BS is complete waste of a slot, just so you know.
Right now I have to say I'm a little ****ed at the way things are going for me. Even with an alt helping me kill frings it's ******* excruciating. 45 cruise and 45 torps to kill one frig? NPC hunting isn't even going to profitable anymore.
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Taipan Stark
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Posted - 2005.07.11 02:39:00 -
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If you dedicate one medslot to be anti-frig, what is more effective ? A webber or a target painter ?
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Vilserx
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Posted - 2005.07.11 10:48:00 -
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Originally by: Taipan Stark
If you dedicate one medslot to be anti-frig, what is more effective ? A webber or a target painter ?
I've found a target painter to be better.
Webbers don't seem to do much to help increase damage vs. frigs, compared to painters. Also painters are long range and seem to be more useful for other ships too.
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Regma
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Posted - 2005.07.11 11:40:00 -
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I've not flown a Raven in a while, not post patch - but remember the the Raven has a drone bay, so if you can web a frig, it'll be toast in no time.
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Vilserx
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Posted - 2005.07.11 11:45:00 -
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Originally by: Regma
I've not flown a Raven in a while, not post patch - but remember the the Raven has a drone bay, so if you can web a frig, it'll be toast in no time.
Unfortunately with new AI targetting rules, your drones will be toast before they kill the frig.
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Regma
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Posted - 2005.07.11 11:52:00 -
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Originally by: Vilserx
Originally by: Regma
I've not flown a Raven in a while, not post patch - but remember the the Raven has a drone bay, so if you can web a frig, it'll be toast in no time.
Unfortunately with new AI targetting rules, your drones will be toast before they kill the frig.
That is the sucketh.
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Vilserx
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Posted - 2005.07.11 12:01:00 -
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Originally by: Regma
Originally by: Vilserx
Originally by: Regma
I've not flown a Raven in a while, not post patch - but remember the the Raven has a drone bay, so if you can web a frig, it'll be toast in no time.
Unfortunately with new AI targetting rules, your drones will be toast before they kill the frig.
That is the sucketh.
Indeed it is.
I feel I've exhausted most frig-killing options on my Raven.
Guns don't take them down quickly enough, drones die, webs and painters don't help me much at all. The only alternative is to fit Assaults and make it impossible to break BS' tank.
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marcopollo
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Posted - 2005.07.11 13:31:00 -
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Ive been running missions since the patch and completed the extravaganza missions a few times now. For the frigs Ive found the drones are best in the raven, and I havent lost many - I think the secret is to let the enemy come to you first before you send the drones to attack.
Ive got 2 nos in the highs to help with cap. Biggest problem I have been having is enough fire power to kill the BS's with cruise.
So Ive tried killing the frigs and cruisers first then refitting to kill the BS's butit takes a while.
Easiest solution, if you can, is to have some one to help you in a shield booster torp ship just for the BS's and ofcourse carrying plenty of cruise missiles for you too for when you run out.
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Hebus Zanheros
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Posted - 2005.07.11 14:19:00 -
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Originally by: Skunkaben
Edited by: Skunkaben on 10/07/2005 22:49:58
Edited by: Skunkaben on 10/07/2005 22:49:38
6 seige, 2 150s (soon to be IIs)
3 hardeners, booster, amp & target painter II
3 pdu IIs, 1 ballistic, 1 mag stab II
kills npc spawns quite easily, just takes alittle longer than before.
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And as many drones as u can carry
take 125 II better tracking
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Tadis
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Posted - 2005.07.11 15:06:00 -
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Npc'ing isnt as effective as it was before, but seriously guys use your head. Some of the posts In this thread make me wonder whether some guys actually have used a Raven before.
Go max out on your Seige launchers high, killing BS is the money maker and your first priority.
Keep your tank as it was pre-patch, this hasnt been altered so why change it.
Low slots same as above, keep to what worked before patch, probably a bunch of PDU's and a BCU in there perhaps.
Now for the winner... the underated drones. Make sure you use drones with damage that is racial specific to your target. a mix of heavy/medium suffices well. I dont even use a webber yet npc inty's/frig die very quickly against a full compliment of drones so why waste a slot. Likewise for cruisers, torps can dmg them but as can drones.
The key is to not release your drones until all the mobs on your overview are flashing red, not yellow, otherwise they might target your drones. Once they're flashing red you can then release your drones, and order them accordingly.
Yes ratting costs a little more, it takes a little more time, but by no means Is it hard or impossible. Im not the best Eve pilot, nor do I have many SP's, but I can still make a damn lotta money outta npc'ing in my Raven with little trouble and effort.
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Alowishus
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Posted - 2005.07.11 15:07:00 -
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Edited by: Alowishus on 11/07/2005 15:09:56
Ok, here's what I tried so far:
6x Arby Cruise
2x Large 'Notos' Explosive (because this is still the fastest way to kill 80% of the frigs I encounter)
1x Large Shield Booster 2
4x Named Hardener
1x Target Painter
5x PDU2
Killing frigs was still painful and having not trained the new shield skill I ran out of cap while running my booster constantly with the target painter. So I tried this:
3x Arb Cruise
3x Arb Siege
2x Heavy Neutron
1x Web
1x Painter
4x Eutectic Cap Charger
1x Large Automated
1x Medium T2 Rep
3x N-Type Hardener (Kin, Exp, Therm)
I almost died. Well not really. Fighting two Commanders (500k) I got down to 20% armor and ran out of cap. Armor tanked Raven isn't really viable for NPC hunting Angels but might be for PvP or Sansha's/Bloods. To top it off, this didn't help my situation any, still took forever to kill frigs. So I'm back to this:
3x Arby Cruise
3x Arby Siege
2x Large 'Notos' Explosive
1x Large Shield Booster 2
4x Named Hardener
1x Target Painter
5x PDU2
What I've learned is that trying to shoot frigs down with missiles is a waste of time and resources. Don't bother. The plus side is that if you're not using missiles to kill frigs then you don't have to waste a slot on a painter or web. It's pointless.
Best way to kill frigs:
Dual large smartbomb (for <5km orbit)
Drones (for >5km orbit)
I can't really complain. When I hunted Sansha's in my Apoc for six months I used one large smartbomb and drones to kill frigs. So I'm really back to where I was then.
But basically, don't bust your ass trying to figure out how to quickly kill frigs in your Raven. I've done the work for you. Those days are gone.
Also, wanted to add something. If all the NPCs are firing at you, if you put a launcher on all of them (so up to six targets) they won't unlock you and lock your drones. It's a marginal waste of cruise/torps but it saves your drones which are very important now.
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Alowishus
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Posted - 2005.07.11 15:13:00 -
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Oh, by the way, I want to also add that fighting Angels is entirely different than any other NPC. If you're fighting Bloods/Sansha's primarily then you really have no idea. Angels are killers.
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Colthor
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Posted - 2005.07.11 15:28:00 -
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Originally by: Alowishus
Originally by: Konietzko
I'm not much of an NPCer, but don't NPCs only warp disrupt a max of 1 strength? Can't you just fit 1 stab and warp away when the BS/Cruisers are dead? Why waste the time/effort killing impossible to hit frigs.
This is a good question and I've gotten varying answers on it over the months. I have no idea why I've never tried it myself. Can anyone confirm?
A single WCS kept my Raven safe every time bar once before the patch.
I aggro'd everything in the Angel Extravaganza bonus stage. Whoops.
Don't know if this holds for 0.0 NPCs.
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Skunkaben
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Posted - 2005.07.11 15:56:00 -
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KK, ill try some 125 IIs as soon as i get hold of them
Originally by: Alowishus
Using a damage mod to modify two frig guns on a BS is complete waste of a slot, just so you know.
How come? Would another ballistic be more worth while?
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Regma
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Posted - 2005.07.11 16:22:00 -
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Originally by: Tadis
Now for the winner... the underated drones. Make sure you use drones with damage that is racial specific to your target. a mix of heavy/medium suffices well. I dont even use a webber yet npc inty's/frig die very quickly against a full compliment of drones so why waste a slot. Likewise for cruisers, torps can dmg them but as can drones.
See, this is what I was thinking, load up a full bay, which is, what, 7 heavy drones? Lose a mid to a webber if you have to, doesn't matter that much. Wait until the little pests are orbiting you, doing their web/scramble thing, and send the drones in, web them, one by one and watch them pop.
You can all do this as you nail the Battleships. Simple really. I used to always make sure I had a bay of drones with me.
Even if the NPC switch target to your drones, it doesn't matter that much if you're out in 0.0, just use them when you need to.
Disclamer: I'm saying all that and I haven't tried to fly a Raven since the patch, so what I'm saying could be complete rubbish. I doubt it, though.
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Hast
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Posted - 2005.07.11 16:23:00 -
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faction smartbomb 
not that I can afford one 
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Alowishus
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Posted - 2005.07.11 16:34:00 -
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Raven holds 6 heavy drones. I've not had a problem with heavy drones killing frigs. I still wonder if 9 mediums would work better than 6 heavies. Anyone have hard data on this?
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Jane Vladmir
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Posted - 2005.07.11 17:14:00 -
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Edited by: Jane Vladmir on 11/07/2005 17:14:43
Originally by: Skunkaben
1 mag stab II
Failed.
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DrunkenOne
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Posted - 2005.07.11 17:19:00 -
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in 0.0 ive been chainin BS spawns with 5x frigs or so, and though I'm in an apoc and not a raven, I'm using none of my guns to hit frigs, simply t2 painter + 6 drones, kills them pretty damn fast, so I don't see why ravens would be any different as they both have same sized dronebays.
Btw apoc=win, 8 dual heavy anode beams + dual large accomn tank + t2 painter vs blood raiders = poor blood raiders 
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Vasq
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Posted - 2005.07.11 17:37:00 -
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Originally by: Colthor
Originally by: Alowishus
Originally by: Konietzko
I'm not much of an NPCer, but don't NPCs only warp disrupt a max of 1 strength? Can't you just fit 1 stab and warp away when the BS/Cruisers are dead? Why waste the time/effort killing impossible to hit frigs.
This is a good question and I've gotten varying answers on it over the months. I have no idea why I've never tried it myself. Can anyone confirm?
A single WCS kept my Raven safe every time bar once before the patch.
I aggro'd everything in the Angel Extravaganza bonus stage. Whoops.
Don't know if this holds for 0.0 NPCs.
AFAIK 0.0 npc's will jam for -1 each frig (unless things have changed recently) many of my friends have lost ships fitted with 2 wcs, personaly i fit 3.
I didn't know missions frigs wil only jam u for -1 in total, u lucky buggers
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Alowishus
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Posted - 2005.07.11 19:00:00 -
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Three WCS would gimp most setups.
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Vasq
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Posted - 2005.07.12 17:50:00 -
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Originally by: Alowishus
Three WCS would gimp most setups.
OFC it would, its a set up all of its own!
many ppl have asked me my set up, when i tell em they dont like it!
strange how i've only lost 1 megathron in the past 18 months and killed over 1,000 npc bs's
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Alowishus
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Posted - 2005.07.12 17:56:00 -
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I feel the same way about my setups. Over a year and only lost one Raven to a commander spawn. So tell me your Mega setup, I'll listen.
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Vasq
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Posted - 2005.07.12 18:55:00 -
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lol, ok then,
highs
6 x 425 rails (was proto now tech 2)
2 assault launcher (was hvy missile pre patch)
meds
1 100mn mwd (quad liff)
1 sensor booster (tech 2)
2 trackin comps (tech 2)
lows
2 dmg mods (1 serp 1 tech 2)
2 cpr
3 named wcs
i use 120 km bookmarks and iridium ammo and its very cpu intensive
p.s. the mega i lost only had 2 wcs 
have u had time to get a new post patch raven set up?
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Alowishus
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Posted - 2005.07.12 19:20:00 -
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I'm using this:
3x Arby Cruise
3x Arby Siege
2x Large 'Notos' Explosive
1x Large Shield Booster 2
4x Named Hardener
1x Eutectic
5x PDU2
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Altar Mei
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Posted - 2005.07.12 19:30:00 -
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Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe the ony faction Smartb that has a large enough damage radius is Estamels. Last one I saw on escrow was only 850mil. 
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Alowishus
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Posted - 2005.07.12 19:46:00 -
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Check Eve-I, a lot of smart bombs have 9-10km range, but most of them I've never seen ingame and they also take 2000+ grid. A pair of 10km smart bombs would be great but I'm not holding my breath.
Angels have four kinds of ceptor (I think):
1300
3300
5300 (doh!)
8400
There might be one more that is out further but mainly I run into 1300 and 3300 80% of the time and 5300 and 8400 all the rest.
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