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Aelius	Posted - 2005.07.08 16:04:00 - [1] Amarr have 8 gun slots on the Apoc. Want us to use pure missile capabilities? Give the Raven 8 Missile racks (no guns) Your 2 cents? Need a new sig, contact me ingame with offers, tks.
Deja Thoris	Posted - 2005.07.08 16:05:00 - [2] Most Apoc's fitted 2 launchers. Shows how easy and powerful missiles were.
ATRADE	Posted - 2005.07.08 16:19:00 - [3] Edited by: ATRADE on 08/07/2005 16:19:46 so ok i suggest the apoc s now not longer allowed to use 8 guns. then its also 6 / 2 that be fair.
Supermonkey	Posted - 2005.07.08 16:31:00 - [4] Tempest is a gun ship, has 6 gun slots, your point? Can you do math? Calculate dmg of t2 guns vs t2 launchers, all + skills. ~0~
Domalais	Posted - 2005.07.08 16:34:00 - [5] Two things can be equal without being identical.
ErrorS	Posted - 2005.07.08 16:56:00 - [6] Originally by: Supermonkey Tempest is a gun ship, has 6 gun slots, your point? Can you do math? Calculate dmg of t2 guns vs t2 launchers, all + skills. and? guns do more damage? ________ I'm strict Caldari "The grass is always greener on the other side" - Maybe they're not as uber as you think? -ErrorS
ErrorS	Posted - 2005.07.08 16:57:00 - [7] we need 7 missle slots. 6 for primary offensive and one for anti-frigate/cruiser. Not only that, primary missles and secondary guns don't work very well, definitely not as well as primary guns and secondary missles. ________ I'm strict Caldari "The grass is always greener on the other side" - Maybe they're not as uber as you think? -ErrorS
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2005.07.08 16:59:00 - [8] My apoc fits two missile launchers. The assaults on them rip through NPC frigs at close range. -- The above views are the views of me, and only me, not Firmus Ixion. Want your POS to make money? Call me up.
Frank Horrigan	Posted - 2005.07.08 16:59:00 - [9] Originally by: ATRADE Edited by: ATRADE on 08/07/2005 16:19:46 so ok i suggest the apoc s now not longer allowed to use 8 guns. then its also 6 / 2 that be fair. No. we are amarrian, we use lasers, we dont like missles. go away.
Keta Min	Posted - 2005.07.08 17:00:00 - [10] lol the only people such an apoc nerf would hurt would be the apoc-miners.
Nev Amati	Posted - 2005.07.08 17:01:00 - [11] Originally by: Frank Horrigan Originally by: ATRADE Edited by: ATRADE on 08/07/2005 16:19:46 so ok i suggest the apoc s now not longer allowed to use 8 guns. then its also 6 / 2 that be fair. No. we are amarrian, we use lasers, we dont like missles. go away. Flamebait
Deja Thoris	Posted - 2005.07.08 17:08:00 - [12] Originally by: Nev Amati Originally by: Frank Horrigan Originally by: ATRADE Edited by: ATRADE on 08/07/2005 16:19:46 so ok i suggest the apoc s now not longer allowed to use 8 guns. then its also 6 / 2 that be fair. No. we are amarrian, we use lasers, we dont like missles. go away. Flamebait What, the 19 day old amarrian alt?
Supermonkey	Posted - 2005.07.08 17:08:00 - [13] Originally by: ErrorS Originally by: Supermonkey Tempest is a gun ship, has 6 gun slots, your point? Can you do math? Calculate dmg of t2 guns vs t2 launchers, all + skills. and? guns do more damage? If you calculate all on maxed out skills, you will find out that e.g. a Raven will be the superiour gank ship that has a decent tank. I just mean that number of slots is not important. The Tempest works great with 6 turret slots, even that the projectile guns itself are crap. It is the combination of turret/missle stats, ship bonunes, ship layout. ~0~
mahhy	Posted - 2005.07.08 17:11:00 - [14] Originally by: Deja Thoris Most Apoc's fitted 2 launchers. Shows how easy and powerful missiles were. Can't say I've ever fit launchers on my Apocs except for PVE, and well, PVE doesn't really count
X'Alor	Posted - 2005.07.08 17:39:00 - [15] Edited by: X''Alor on 08/07/2005 17:39:40 Speak for yourself on that. Lets see, instant tech 2 large gun damage or wait 30 seconds for a boom. Myself I'll pass on any launchers for the instant smacko of a T2 large gun anyday. a web and a painter over a definite hit anyday. thanks for your generalized comment tho
Vex Seraphim	Posted - 2005.07.08 18:05:00 - [16] Originally by: Aelius Amarr have 8 gun slots on the Apoc. Want us to use pure missile capabilities? Give the Raven 8 Missile racks (no guns) Your 2 cents? Amen brother. (altho i have no bloody idea how it'd go with raven's current cpu/pg) ------------------- :: finite horizon :: killboard :: :: bio :: blog ::
SengH	Posted - 2005.07.08 18:43:00 - [17] Edited by: SengH on 08/07/2005 18:44:01 Ok lemme say this again... here are the skills required to use t2 guns to do the dmg you see most ppl do (with 1400s at least) Small arty @ 5 Rank:1 motion prediction @ 5 Rank: 2 sharpshooter @ 5 Rank: 2 rapid firing @ 5 Rank: 2 Small arty specilization @ 4 Rank: 3 Med arty @ 5 Rank:3 Large arty @ 5 Rank:5 trajectory analysis @ 5 Rank : 5 surgical strike @ 5 Rank: 5 Med arty specilization @ 4 Rank : 5 Large arty specilization @ 4 Rank: 8 BS @ 5 Rank: 8 Lets break it down 1 Rank1 @ 5 3 Rank2 @ 5 1 Rank3 @ 5 1 Rank 3 @ 4 3 Rank5 @ 5 1 @ Rank5 @ 4 1 Rank 8 @ 5 1 Rank8 @ 4 Now lets count the new missile skills assuming u want to use cruise which takes more SP than torps. Missle Launcher Operation @ 5 Rank:1 Missile Bombardment @ 5 Rank:2 Rapid Launch @ 5 Rank:2 Target Navigation Prediction @ 5 Rank:2 Standard Missles @ 3 Rank:2 Heavy Missiles @ 3 Rank:3 Missile Projection @ 5 Rank:4 Cruise Missles @ 5 Rank:5 Guided Missile Precision @ 5 Rank:5 Warhead upgrades @ 5 Rank: 5 Caldari BS @ 5 Rank:8 1 Rank1 @ 5 3 Rank2 @ 5 and 1 Rank2 @ 3 1 Rank3 @ 3 1 Rank4 @ 5 3 Rank5 @ 5 1 Rank8 @ 8 You are now doing the same dmg as t2 guns with t1 launchers with LESS SP you need to invest. Stop the whining and start training.
Pride NL	Posted - 2005.07.08 19:01:00 - [18] Originally by: Aelius Amarr have 8 gun slots on the Apoc. Want us to use pure missile capabilities? Give the Raven 8 Missile racks (no guns) Your 2 cents? Im getting pretty sick of all the Caldari asses whining about the raven. Train up the skills, go spec and voila, a good Raven. With 6 missile slots.
Hiram	Posted - 2005.07.10 11:05:00 - [19] * signs, im game!
Zaldiri	Posted - 2005.07.10 11:14:00 - [20] FFS the apoc is the ONLY ship with 8 primary slots. And the apoc isn't acctualy any good for damage output (its more of a tank realy). The domminix has 6, the mega has 7, the temp has 6, the geddon has 7 and the poor typhoon only has 4...
Lisa Run	Posted - 2005.07.10 13:09:00 - [21] Edited by: Lisa Run on 10/07/2005 13:09:30 Yes, what about the Tyhoon, the first battleship that most of the minmatar pilots will get ? 4 launcher hardpoints and 4 turret hardpoints. You need decent gunnery, missile, engineering, mechanic and electronic skills to make minmatar ships work. Every minmatar ship requires turrets, some require missiles and then you have to decide from ship to ship and situation to situation, if you need an armor tank, shield tank or a sniper set-up. You can't train all things only a bit, you have to train each of these things as high as any other race has to. Except that you're happy with low damage on missiles and turrets and not enough grid to fit the stuff or a bad armor tank and a bad shield tank. Well, I have no solution for the poor Minmatar pilots, who get their first battleship. Just want to point out, that they have it not easy especially with more and more advanced skills coming.
Sentani	Posted - 2005.07.10 13:45:00 - [22] i want the raven to be like the Kestrel... no turrets or utility high slots... just pure missile pwnage
Citizen Angstrom	Posted - 2005.07.10 15:51:00 - [23] Originally by: Lisa Run Edited by: Lisa Run on 10/07/2005 13:09:30 Yes, what about the Tyhoon, the first battleship that most of the minmatar pilots will get ? 4 launcher hardpoints and 4 turret hardpoints. You need decent gunnery, missile, engineering, mechanic and electronic skills to make minmatar ships work. Every minmatar ship requires turrets, some require missiles and then you have to decide from ship to ship and situation to situation, if you need an armor tank, shield tank or a sniper set-up. You can't train all things only a bit, you have to train each of these things as high as any other race has to. Except that you're happy with low damage on missiles and turrets and not enough grid to fit the stuff or a bad armor tank and a bad shield tank. Well, I have no solution for the poor Minmatar pilots, who get their first battleship. Just want to point out, that they have it not easy especially with more and more advanced skills coming. /Agree. I think I have it bad, being a Caldari, but the Minmater have a real slog on their hands. Friend of mine was a Typhoon driver until she left; the only way she could have coped with the missile nerf, is to load up on drones and webbers.
Seth Killbain	Posted - 2005.07.10 16:12:00 - [24] I agree with the poster, allow the raven to have 8 missile slots and while your at it allow the scorp to fit 6. Remember you wont have ravens or scorps flying around with 8 siege bays on as they wont fit, hell if i remember you have to buy extremely expensive kit just to fit six. All its gonna allow is for them to be able to fit out correctly for a missile boat ship.
Nyxus	Posted - 2005.07.10 16:24:00 - [25] The Apoc has 8 turret slots........ ............because it has no damage or rof bonus. Remove the missile bonuses from the Raven....... ...........and give it a couple of missile slots. Oh yea, and reduce the grid and cpu of the Raven so it has to make the same sacrifices a Poc has to make to fit a large rack of 8 weapons. It's about balance. Can you imagine the insane power of a tempest with 8 1400's? Same thing would happen to a Raven with 8 missile slots. Nyxus
Messerschmitt facility	Posted - 2005.07.10 16:28:00 - [26] Originally by: X'Alor Edited by: X''Alor on 08/07/2005 17:42:05 Originally by: Deja Thoris Most Apoc's fitted 2 launchers. Shows how easy and powerful missiles were. Speak for yourself on that. And train for T2 large guns. Lets see, instant tech 2 large gun damage or wait 30 seconds for a boom. Myself I'll pass on any launchers for the instant smacko of a T2 large gun anyday on the apoc. a web and a painter over a definite hit anyday. thanks for your generalized comment tho And you will wait 4 months to train those T2 large guns instead of 1 month for missles. And besides, Turrets arent that good compared to missle (at least after patch it is more balanced) _________________________________ A conclusion is the place where you got tired of thinking...

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