You have first strike option. The game mechanics are the same for gankers as for non gankers. So you can try and hunt them or their alts for ganking and bumping. Yes, I know that will require effort on your part.

The gankers and bumpers seem to have no trouble raising the numbers to go and shoot at stuff, and most of them are in small corps, you don't need 20 Nado's to pop an Orca either, you can do it with Catalysts.

I'm not against PVP or suicide ganking. I've done both.

I am against using some lame tactic such as bumping to prevent a player from warping. I understand that bumping is used to counter station games. This is another lame tactic I'm not fond of. Okay let me agress and then when I realize I'm about to die I deagress then dock. Or even better have a neutral Orca warp in to save the day.

If you want to agress someone you should risk losing your ship.

How about making the agression timer longer so you can't just dock up. If you're not playing the "let's hug the station" game you can just warp from safe spot to safe spot while the timer runs out. Bumping no longer needed.

If bumping was considered to be aggression, the fun and games at the undock of Jita 4-4 would be absolutely hilarious. I think that it's probably extremely hard to code something that can distinguish between accidental and deliberate bumpage, which is possibly why CCP have left well alone, outside of the stuff that's considered an exploit.

I think my sig probably applies in this instance, older and more experienced players would definitely take advantage of any changes to the bumping mechanic, to the detriment of those that don't have the experience to do so.

I've read all this and I'm still waiting for something substantial.

"What you can do is make bumping not affect going into warp."

I am sitting here waiting for you to explain how "we" or "I" am able to do this. I know you're talking about CCP, but besides
that minor point, if you know it can be done, you know how it can be done, so explain it.

Not even going into the rest of the post ... one step at a time.

if ships fly through each other, does that mean i have no way to prevent someone from warping in high or low sec if i am ECM jammed or damped so much that it takes ages to lock? does it also mean i cannot bump someone off of station or gate when they are trying to de-agress after they have opened fire upon my friends and i show up?

i'd much prefer bumping to exist. it is a valuable option in PvP.



lol what?
the demographic u are referring to have one use for bumping. however the same mechanic of bumping can also be used to counter 'safe PvP' of ppl fighting off of stations and gates. Bumping is also a great way of preventing super caps from warping away when u are in low sec and dnt have a hictor handy.

i can see how removing bumping improves ur little world, but what about the rest of us?

I don't know if this has been thought of, but what about a deployable web? All ships within a 5km radius are slowed to minimal speed... It'd stop people bumping miners, I'm currently having to hide my barge in a group of roids for the same effect. Guy keeps ramming me with his stabber at full speed... I've told him repeatedly I'm not paying... but he continues to do it... it spoils the game. Might seem pathetic but what if CCP took out all the lasers? wouldn't that ruin it for those who like shooting stuff? I enjoy my own RP, currently mining to get an Orca, but this kid ramming me just throws it all out of wack...

The guy is the ONLY one in the system doing it... he bugs everyone... i it was a system with 3-6 of them doing it... ok but it's one looser doing it.... he needs to be moved on or something...

EVE is at its core a PVP game... bumping is not pvp and does not lead to pvp; it leads to people pissed at CCP instead of players. Sure, NPC player can hire merc, do something else, join player corp, but the bumping cannot really be fought right then and there while your pissed as hell and ready to open fire on someone with more SP and experience almost ensuring your death and lots of tears...

but wait...

the bumper just went suspect flagged... PVP

Whip up some maths to make bumping invoke a suspect flag which will sure as hell instigate some PVP if there are combat drones out and set to aggressive.

Bumper bangs into Bumpee...

1) Was Bumper going faster than 3x base ship velocity?
yes, bumper gets suspect flag -good chance for PVP if bumpee is pissed enough or drones on agressive.
no, bumper doesn't get suspect flag -good velocity control.

2) Has Bumper bumped a player "x" number of times within 5 minute time period?
yes, bumper gets suspect flag -good chance for multiple pvp partners.
no, no suspect flag -good self-control -maybe.

3) Has Bumpee been stuck in warp longer than 2 minutes and been bumped within 2.5 minutes?
yes, suspect flag on bumper.
no, pilot is an idiot.

I'm sure there are lots of fun ways to turn a mechanic like bumping, which only becomes PVP if someone turns to suicide ganking, into loads of PVP fun for everyone -especially the semi-afk idiot with their drones on aggressive.

He isnt ruining your game. He is providing you an opportunity to participate in the game rather than play solo. Also what difference does it make if he is the only one there? He is trying to maximize his profit margin... doesnt make him a loser.

Sandbox man. Sandbox.

Bumping should have consequences dependant on the mass difference between the two vessels.

Frigate trying to bump a freighter = dead frigate. Freighter doesn't budge.
Destroyer/cruiser bumping a Mining barge = Mining barge is bumped, but destroyer/cruiser gets damaged.
Freighter bumping a capital = freighter takes some damage and bumps the capital out of alignment.

Let's make it interesting for everybody. Equal risk vs. reward when you're trying to bump a tanker with a rowboat.

Doesn't matter if it's intentional or not. Damage occurs when two ships bump eachother. When there's a smaller mass involved with greater, the results are quite predictable.

What we have now, isn't "Flight computers taking evasive actions", since my freighters can't actually perform maneuevers like that normally that it doesnt when a cruiser with 100MN MWD bumps into me.

Equal risk/opportunity. Big fleets, two ships lost due to bumping, nothing wrong with that. It'd level the playing field for everyone.

Next time I bump or gank a CODE compliant miner I'll link them your last post.
They can decide how good a deal it was.

You've always had the ability to retaliate.

How can you even state this ?? its a cop out.. CCP made the game the way it is and are continually trying to make it easier for this type of activity, ie bullying an extortion (the code). I have no issues with it being there, we choose to play or not to play, but seriously.. this statement is a cop out.
Guess I can expect a ban, post removal or something for sharing my thoughts then ??

in all honesty most of the stations in eve need there docking and undocking range fixed

and bunping itself should be consider harassment since a lot of people have been know to use it without the intent to kill, i would like to see a collision mechanics and input a "timer" for entering exiting warp or station that you don't take damage but make it so you take damage upon in packed.

Or just design the game so that CONCORD properly responds to criminal activity, which includes unlawful entrapment.

**** like bumping orcas for 15-30 minutes straight for multiple waves of gank characters is why this game is dying.

"Criminal" would mean flags.

Flags mean lawful engagements.

Do the math.

Oh, please, the game's not dying, but crap like Orcas traveling without escort or scouting is how they get ganked. Space is dangerous, treat it as such.

Tank won't help you if you get bumped and hit by multiple waves of gankers. Eve is losing the new/casual players who don't want to see their life savings blown up by career -10 sec status gankers.

1. A lot of players in Eve find the game difficult. If you look at the CODE killboard around their area of operations, you will see a whole bunch of poorly fit mining barges. And some of these people have been playing for a long time. The reality is that a lot of the career highsec PvE oriented players are very disconnected for the Eve knowledge base, and don't understand how to properly fit ships, observe local, read intel channels, assume escape posture when scary people come into local, etc...

2. Hauling is a different animal than mining. If you want to haul effectively, you can't just avoid Uedama. It is a key chokepoint system, and most big time (or even small time) haulers, are going to need to transverse it.

Exxcellent! I try to contact the freighter pilot victims to give advice, but they usually ignore my convo request, figuring I am a ganker looking to mock them. I will be happy to discuss further with them, and will suggest that they post on the Eve forums about how CODE is abusing bumping, and how -10 sec status people should not even be allowed in highsec.

Keep up the good work!

This is possible. Of course it's not entirely unreasonable to be AFK when flying an empty ship with a lot of EHP (which is what some of the victims told me they were doing) - it's not exactly a prime target. And for AFK ships bumping is not much of a factor anyway, since as stated by Loyalanon, and confirmed by me, those ships can just be scrammed 15km off the outgate. The controversy over bumping relates almost entirely to the non-AFK ships.

What do you think about this kill? https://zkillboard.com/kill/41059941/ Even with nanos still 200k hp (not ehp), 30 gank ships used (including BCs), and a minimal drop. From an Isk perspective that's a really unusual kill, and not something we would expect to see much of.

I can just see this conversation happening, between Veers and a hypothetical homeowner.

"OK man, so the problem is, your walls are painted the wrong color."
"We like the color of our walls.'
"So, what we need to do is, strip the old paint off first, go buy some new paint from the store and get to work.
"We like the color of our walls, it's not a problem."
"When we go get the new paint, we need to get Brand X, not Brand Y."
"Dude you're not seeing it. There' be no repainting. We like the colors of our walls."
"So, I recommend you use a roller when repainting, because brushes leave streaks."
"... GTFO Noob."
"I'M JUST TRYING TO SOLVE THE WALL COLOR PROBLEM GUYS!"