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Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
521
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Posted - 2013.01.29 21:37:00 -
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Methelic Mahyisti wrote:I have been browsing through several forums, but most of them seem to want players only with more than 10-15 M SP.
Is it even possible to get into the larger alliances like test, goons, razor etc. with 3-5 m SP?
Of course, unless your character is just another alt trying to infiltrate blahblahblah (obvious spy)
Who doesn't want tacklers?
Who doesn't want dictors?
At 5M SP you shouldn't be very far from flying your race dictor. At this point you can also fly racial interceptor and doesn't matter if you can't fit T2 guns on it nobody cares but everyone will be happy you're able to properly use a point/mwd/web. If you're being told you're not good for anything in null then stop talking with idiots. A noob willing to learn, not afraid to die often not only gets free ships/books but often showers of isk when he does good, and is far more useful in fleets than an idiot with top skills putting one gun per target just to hoar on km's
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Methelic Mahyisti
Viziam Amarr Empire
40
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Posted - 2013.01.29 22:09:00 -
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Could anyone elaborate on the difference between Dreddit (and its alliance) and GoonWaffe (and its alliance) besides the comminuties they come from?
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Callduron
172
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Posted - 2013.01.30 01:14:00 -
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Methelic Mahyisti wrote:Could anyone elaborate on the difference between Dreddit (and its alliance) and GoonWaffe (and its alliance) besides the comminuties they come from? 
Goons are a lot more polished. After several spectacular CEO disasters they've now got an extremely competent one (The Mittani). They also have propaganda, API collection, spying and all sorts of other activites down to a fine art. They also come from a community which is more strictly moderated which means a) they post better and b) they're not very tolerant (especially of outsiders). They also take a much dimmer view of people who join the host forum purely to get into their Eve guild.
TEST are newer, brasher and less well organised. They're still to some extent finding their feet and figuring out how to operate despite being extremely successful. It's easier to sign up for Reddit too as it doesn't cost you real money.
On forums and in game people from Test come across to me as somewhat nicer people than Goons. In real life people from both communities are delightful, but then most Eve players are when you meet them in person. |

Ildryn
The Inf1dels
77
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Posted - 2013.01.30 03:38:00 -
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Before you join a corp. Please do your research.
Otherwise we will see you again crying about how you were scammed/killed by your own corp/alliance. |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3348
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Posted - 2013.01.30 03:39:00 -
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Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:To join Dreddit, all you need is to have been an active Redditor for at least three months. This is because Dreddit is a Reddit community. Other corps in TEST have their own recruitment procedures. Enlightened Industries, for example, is notoriously sluttish when it comes to letting people in. Sluttish, you say. Do they bring in cool people? Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3348
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Posted - 2013.01.30 03:40:00 -
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Callduron wrote:Goons are a lot more polished. After several spectacular CEO disasters they've now got an extremely competent one (The Mittani). Any moment now someone will bring up The Mittani's "spectacular CEO disaster".
Read more about his exploits on themittani.com  Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |

Max Doobie
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
175
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Posted - 2013.01.30 05:03:00 -
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Methelic Mahyisti wrote:I have been browsing through several forums, but most of them seem to want players only with more than 10-15 M SP.
Is it even possible to get into the larger alliances like test, goons, razor etc. with 3-5 m SP?
Ex-Test member here.
Do not join Test or Goons.
I know as a noob the draw to the big boys is strong but honestly it's very cold and extremely cliquish in these alliances. You have to fall in and kiss ass to stay.
Find a smaller, tight-knit group of people that will be willing to train you up and allow you to be yourself. Make some good friends. Don't be like others and play this game to be someone's robot or meatshield. Don't play this game to login and deal with some CEOs over-inflated sense of relevance.
Now, you've been warned. You you chose to pursue membership with these people and get scammed or trolled relentlessly once in because you stepped one toe out of bounds, don't come crying. |

Dersk
Paxton Industries Gentlemen's Agreement
142
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Posted - 2013.01.30 05:13:00 -
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Aside from the previously mentioned hurdle for would-be spies and awoxers, there are several reasons of convenience for a skillpoint minimum in recruitment advertisements.
Most corps are perfectly willing to recruit a new player, but determining the type of person or player they're recruiting is much harder for corporations when dealing with brand new characters. A killboard history and an API check fills in a lot of information concerning a potential recruit when security or playstyle issues are important.
Recruiting the newer player demands a more focused recruiting process for any corporation that wants a particular type of player, rather than a random warm body to inflate the member count, as it's quite often the player doesn't even know what he/she wants to do. When a corp doesn't have the time or inclination to sift through a dozen such applicants, the easy route is to implement a skillpoint cap and only go after a newer character when there is a personal recommendation. |

Ildryn
The Inf1dels
77
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Posted - 2013.01.30 05:37:00 -
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Max Doobie wrote:Methelic Mahyisti wrote:I have been browsing through several forums, but most of them seem to want players only with more than 10-15 M SP.
Is it even possible to get into the larger alliances like test, goons, razor etc. with 3-5 m SP? Ex-Test member here. Do not join Test or Goons. I know as a noob the draw to the big boys is strong but honestly it's very cold and extremely cliquish in these alliances. You have to fall in and kiss ass to stay. Find a smaller, tight-knit group of people that will be willing to train you up and allow you to be yourself. Make some good friends. Don't be like others and play this game to be someone's robot or meatshield. Don't play this game to login and deal with some CEOs over-inflated sense of relevance. Now, you've been warned. You you chose to pursue membership with these people and get scammed or trolled relentlessly once in because you stepped one toe out of bounds, don't come crying.
I pointed a lot of that out to you just 2-3 weeks ago.
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Super spikinator
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
72
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Posted - 2013.01.30 05:55:00 -
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Max Doobie wrote:Methelic Mahyisti wrote:I have been browsing through several forums, but most of them seem to want players only with more than 10-15 M SP.
Is it even possible to get into the larger alliances like test, goons, razor etc. with 3-5 m SP? Ex-Test member here. Do not join Test or Goons. I know as a noob the draw to the big boys is strong but honestly it's very cold and extremely cliquish in these alliances. You have to fall in and kiss ass to stay. Find a smaller, tight-knit group of people that will be willing to train you up and allow you to be yourself. Make some good friends. Don't be like others and play this game to be someone's robot or meatshield. Don't play this game to login and deal with some CEOs over-inflated sense of relevance. Now, you've been warned. You you chose to pursue membership with these people and get scammed or trolled relentlessly once in because you stepped one toe out of bounds, don't come crying.
Your name seems familiar.
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Ka'Narlist
Cronos Titan
9
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Posted - 2013.01.30 13:53:00 -
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I really like those threads with all this "experts" on null sec corps recruitment standards, allways gives me a good laugh 
@OP If you want to find a nice Corp for you in a null sec alliance, open the alliance information ingame go to the member corps and read their individual descriptions. All of those which recruits have the info there what they are searching for and who you have to talk to. Who you have to talk to is usually a diplomat or director so if you just randomly talk to someone else don't be suprised if you get scamed one way or another.
CFC and HBC both have a lot of Corps that take newbies because thats what both Coalitions are based upon. Most other alliances have Corps that search new players too because if they don't they won't survuce long in null sec (or only if they live in space noone really wants).
Its not hard to get into a nice null sec corp even if many experts in the forums here like to tell you otherwise all day long. |

WhyTry1
Comply Or Die The Unthinkables
79
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Posted - 2013.01.30 14:10:00 -
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however watch out test and goons are the biggest scammers in eve, so if some one asks you for a 500 - 2 billion isk deposit, its more than likely a scam and you will never see that isk again.
scamming new players to me should be a bannable offence. |

Darius Brinn
Iberians Iberians.
192
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Posted - 2013.01.30 14:14:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Spurty wrote:RAZOR - Valid LARP membership
wat
LOL! |

Vera Algaert
Republic University Minmatar Republic
725
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Posted - 2013.01.30 14:28:00 -
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Methelic Mahyisti wrote:Could anyone elaborate on the difference between Dreddit (and its alliance) and GoonWaffe (and its alliance) besides the comminuties they come from?  the communities they come from make a big difference even when it comes to EVE.
SA is a dictatorship - a moderator thinks your posting is bad and you are gone.
Reddit is populism in action (yes, I am aware that this not how up/downvote are supposed to be used but that's the reality).
Goonwaffe tries to keep on to their SA legacy of goodposting with varying success.
Dreddit is the home of sperg, populism, cute animal pictures and forced memes. I'm a NPC corp alt, any argument I make is invalid. |

Methelic Mahyisti
Viziam Amarr Empire
40
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Posted - 2013.01.30 14:30:00 -
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Vera Algaert wrote:Methelic Mahyisti wrote:Could anyone elaborate on the difference between Dreddit (and its alliance) and GoonWaffe (and its alliance) besides the comminuties they come from?  the communities they come from make a big difference even when it comes to EVE. SA is a dictatorship - a moderator thinks your posting is bad and you are gone. Reddit is populism in action (yes, I am aware that this not how up/downvote are supposed to be used but that's the reality). Goonwaffe tries to keep on to their SA legacy of goodposting with varying success. Dreddit is the home of sperg, populism, cute animal pictures and forced memes.
Thanks |

Vera Algaert
Republic University Minmatar Republic
725
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Posted - 2013.01.30 14:35:00 -
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Methelic Mahyisti wrote:Thanks for an example of how this translates into actual EVE-related decision making processes:
Montolio's "spam jabber if you want war with goonswarm" broadcasts and his "do you want me to come back as TEST CEO or not?" forum poll could not have happened in Goonswarm (where any conflict with a key coalition partner would probably have been settled quietly in illum) but are a perfect embodiement of the worst aspects of reddit. I'm a NPC corp alt, any argument I make is invalid. |

Ming Tso
O C C U P Y Test Alliance Please Ignore
3
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Posted - 2013.01.30 14:48:00 -
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Max Doobie wrote:
Ex-Test member here.
Do not join Test or Goons.
I know as a noob the draw to the big boys is strong but honestly it's very cold and extremely cliquish in these alliances. You have to fall in and kiss ass to stay.
Find a smaller, tight-knit group of people that will be willing to train you up and allow you to be yourself. Make some good friends. Don't be like others and play this game to be someone's robot or meatshield. Don't play this game to login and deal with some CEOs over-inflated sense of relevance.
Now, you've been warned. You you chose to pursue membership with these people and get scammed or trolled relentlessly once in because you stepped one toe out of bounds, don't come crying.
Max Doobie wrote:
"I just want to shoot you really. I'll find you one day, during your usual routine of ganking rookie ships on autopilot through lowsec, and kill you. Then I'll take a screenshot of your corpse and put it up on our forums and send another to EN24 and Mittani.
Max Doobie can be your best friend or your worst enemy Solstice.
You call me "ShoobyDooby" again and I'm going to hunt you relentlessly. Then I'll have Test and Goons make your EVE life miserable until you quit.
Don't do it again dude." -Max "The Menace" Doobie
Max Doobie wrote:
You're a lying f****** dude. Tell these people about how we scammed a mark and I let you have 100% of the take instead of splitting it because I wanted to show I was appreciative for the tips.
Tell them how I found a corp to scam, called you in to cut you in and even said you could take 90% of the take.
Tell them how many times I've sent marks' names to scambros because I was already working on one, and just wanted to help out, having seen a nice mark in recruit channel but I myself didn't have the time to scam them.
Yeah that's"burning" people dude.
As I told you the other day when your p**** ass called yourself "calling me out" in channel, you're bandwagoning f*****. You want to be with "TEH KEWL KIDZ" so you conform and jump on someone you see others don't like.
Get your wife/GF on and have her tell us how she beats the **** out of you everyday, send you to buy her tampons and makes you hold her purse at the mall you f****** a**licker. Be your own man and nut the f***up. You out of ANYONE have ZERO reason to hold any animosity towards me, but as I stated in OP, motherf****** these days think it's cool to be pom-pom holding conformist cheerleaders.
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Felicity Love
STARKRAFT
203
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Posted - 2013.01.30 14:54:00 -
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Methelic Mahyisti wrote:I have been browsing through several forums, but most of them seem to want players only with more than 10-15 M SP.
That's not even close to minimum for an increasing number of Null Sec corps... c'est la guerre.
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Methelic Mahyisti
Viziam Amarr Empire
40
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Posted - 2013.01.30 14:58:00 -
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Another question 
I know trust is of great importance in EVE.
What consequences would it have to have GoonWaffe, Dreddit or other major null alliances in your corp history? |

Ming Tso
O C C U P Y Test Alliance Please Ignore
3
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Posted - 2013.01.30 15:16:00 -
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Methelic Mahyisti wrote:Another question  I know trust is of great importance in EVE. What consequences would it have to have GoonWaffe, Dreddit or other major null alliances in your corp history?
Well, if you're joining someone who doesn't get Goonwaffe, Dreddit, or the other major null alliances, then I guess it would probably have a negative impact on your application.
However, if you're one of the people that "get" those corps/alliances, and you understand how they work socially and the benefits you can gain by having membership in them, then it wouldn't really have much impact.
For example, being in TEST Alliance only shows people in good nullsec alliances that you've had some nullsec experience. If you're a newbie mining corp, you probably wouldn't want to recruit someone from TEST because those dudes are probably going to try to scam you. |

Merouk Baas
495
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Posted - 2013.01.30 15:18:00 -
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What do you think?
The frothing at the mouth "Death to goons" "Death to TEST" "Death to PL" "Death to Bob" "Death to nullsec alliance" people will never recruit you, the current enemy alliance will think you're a spy alt, and years from now when they're either dead, or have moved on, or have signed a non-aggression-pact and are buddies, your past membership combined with solid killboard stats may get you invited all over the place.
You're trying to make a science out of social interaction, and there's already an official science, and it's not an exact science.
Think a little before asking some of these questions.
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Methelic Mahyisti
Viziam Amarr Empire
40
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Posted - 2013.01.30 15:56:00 -
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I'd still like to hear opinions, since not everyone has the same.
How often to large fleet battles occur between large alliances? Is it mainly just small T1 fights or do they bring in large ships often? |

Nicolo da'Vicenza
Air The Unthinkables
2724
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Posted - 2013.01.30 16:21:00 -
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define 'large' one man's blob is another's roaming gang |

Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
521
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Posted - 2013.01.30 16:25:00 -
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Methelic Mahyisti wrote:I'd still like to hear opinions, since not everyone has the same.
How often to large fleet battles occur between large alliances? Is it mainly just small T1 fights or do they bring in large ships often?
Everything can happen at any moment, boring timer OP's are known so no surprise here.
Just take a close look at the last event: 1 guy makes a small mistake and clicks the wrong button leading to a huge capital fight.
This is not the first time, Makalu already experienced this at some point when trying to gank whatever ship was at the null station undock leading to 16 supercaps kill including his.
Random escalations happen frequently all over null sec, which proves null sec doesn't need more boring/annoying bazillion HP structures to keep people entertained but more tools for destruction and rewarding reasons to be there/fight for. And don't get yourself wrong by random whoever me included, there are awesome dudes in every alliance but also scrubs, all you need is to find the one that suits you and go for a ride in cheapo throwaway stuff have some fun.
Forget high sec, eventually move to low first so you can get some experience before moving to null or even WH, but move on from high sec dude, you're wasting your gaming time being there.
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Kamden Line
Lightbringer's Sanctuary RAZOR Alliance
126
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Posted - 2013.01.30 16:29:00 -
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Trendon Evenstar wrote:Piugattuk wrote:Goons only recruit from the something awful forums and the others you'll have to jump thru hoops like a good doggie but it helps to know someone inside who can vouch for you or have a killer kill board with lower SP toon and focus on PVP cause that's what they look for including you got to bare all full API your alt, transactions, a letter from your mother yada yada. This is untrue. GoonWaffe- the severely bloated 8000 man flagship corp recruits explicitly from SA, member corps in the alliance "Goonswarm Federation" have their own recruiting practices.
Not necessarily. A number of corporations within Goonswarm recruit from their own direct forums. For example, Bat Country is F13 Forum (I hadn't heard of it either till I did the research), and Merch Industrial is Penny Arcade's corp. Anyone attempting to recruit you from here is probably attempting to scam you - in short, the only corporation I can think of off the top of my head that recruits from the world would be WiDot, but there are some others.
As for TEST, I believe only Dreddit recruits directly from outside of the game. Most of the other corporations are legitimate corps...but I don't know for certain. |
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