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Ydnari
Estrale Frontiers
Project Wildfire
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Posted - 2013.10.21 18:49:00 -
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hurrah
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Dieter Rams
The Nommo
Insurance Fraud.
40
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Posted - 2013.10.22 11:18:00 -
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Nice!
Now just a small comment, how is it possible that something this new can be swept under the rug so fast and then end up as something hard to fix? It's reminiscent of the POS code problems, only that this was a completely new feature added recently and we've already ended up on the wrong side of things. It's been almost 1 year since Retribution, it's just wrong implementing new features and leaving them to rot because new stuff must be released. I thought you guys made it clear that you would iterate on everything, especially when something you added recently is broken. |
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CCP Paradox
1045
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Posted - 2013.10.22 12:08:00 -
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Dieter Rams wrote:Nice!
Now just a small comment, how is it possible that something this new can be swept under the rug so fast and then end up as something hard to fix? It's reminiscent of the POS code problems, only that this was a completely new feature added recently and we've already ended up on the wrong side of things. It's been almost 1 year since Retribution, it's just wrong implementing new features and leaving them to rot because new stuff must be released. I thought you guys made it clear that you would iterate on everything, especially when something you added recently is broken.
Simply put, risk and prioritization.
CCP Paradox | EVE Quality Assurance | Team Super Friends
@CCP_Paradox |
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MainTrain
7th Deepari Defence Armada
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
3
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Posted - 2013.10.22 12:39:00 -
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CCP Paradox wrote:
The situation here, is heavy load. Essentially it requires a fair bit of programmer time to get right (and there is only one who currently knows the system well enough to take this on) and with Rubicon we have had other features for the expansion prioritized over maintenance/other stuff.
Is this not something that is extremely worrying ... Only one person in the business that knows the system well enough to work on it.
Slightly concerned that if for whatever reason Tuxford was to leave the company then this entire system could quickly become another legacy code issue. |
Koban Agalder
Future Corps
Sleeper Social Club
7
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Posted - 2013.10.22 12:50:00 -
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MainTrain wrote:CCP Paradox wrote:
The situation here, is heavy load. Essentially it requires a fair bit of programmer time to get right (and there is only one who currently knows the system well enough to take this on) and with Rubicon we have had other features for the expansion prioritized over maintenance/other stuff.
Is this not something that is extremely worrying ... Only one person in the business that knows the system well enough to work on it. Slightly concerned that if for whatever reason Tuxford was to leave the company then this entire system could quickly become another legacy code issue.
Say "Hi!" to Bus factor: 1 .
I really hope that you take care of this dev, and hired a bodyguard for him (and a tank instead of normal car).
Taking EvE related comparison: it's almost like undocking rookie ship with 6 plexes in Jita and hoping that "nothing wrong happens" and "noone will notice" ....
James Arget for CSM 8!-áhttp://csm.fcftw.org-á |
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CCP Paradox
1045
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Posted - 2013.10.22 13:21:00 -
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MainTrain wrote:CCP Paradox wrote:
The situation here, is heavy load. Essentially it requires a fair bit of programmer time to get right (and there is only one who currently knows the system well enough to take this on) and with Rubicon we have had other features for the expansion prioritized over maintenance/other stuff.
Is this not something that is extremely worrying ... Only one person in the business that knows the system well enough to work on it. Slightly concerned that if for whatever reason Tuxford was to leave the company then this entire system could quickly become another legacy code issue.
Maybe I was bad with words. Any programmer could have done this, it was just that Tuxford had already examined the problem and decided upon an approach to deal with it so that it was able to be prioritized and estimated. This would have taken a programmer a day or two to do this, before even getting it into a teams backlog. If you're unsure of agile development, you're welcome to talk to me any time at EVE Fanfest.
CCP Paradox | EVE Quality Assurance | Team Super Friends
@CCP_Paradox |
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MainTrain
7th Deepari Defence Armada
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
3
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Posted - 2013.10.22 13:30:00 -
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CCP Paradox wrote:MainTrain wrote:CCP Paradox wrote:
The situation here, is heavy load. Essentially it requires a fair bit of programmer time to get right (and there is only one who currently knows the system well enough to take this on) and with Rubicon we have had other features for the expansion prioritized over maintenance/other stuff.
Is this not something that is extremely worrying ... Only one person in the business that knows the system well enough to work on it. Slightly concerned that if for whatever reason Tuxford was to leave the company then this entire system could quickly become another legacy code issue. Maybe I was bad with words. Any programmer could have done this, it was just that Tuxford had already examined the problem and decided upon an approach to deal with it so that it was able to be prioritized and estimated. This would have taken a programmer a day or two to do this, before even getting it into a teams backlog. If you're unsure of agile development, you're welcome to talk to me any time at EVE Fanfest.
Ah this makes sense. Your original wording did have me slightly worried! |
Koban Agalder
Future Corps
Sleeper Social Club
7
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Posted - 2013.10.22 13:38:00 -
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CCP Paradox wrote:[
Maybe I was bad with words. Any programmer could have done this, it was just that Tuxford had already examined the problem and decided upon an approach to deal with it so that it was able to be prioritized and estimated. This would have taken a programmer a day or two to do this, before even getting it into a teams backlog. If you're unsure of agile development, you're welcome to talk to me any time at EVE Fanfest.
As for my (not so big) experience agile development is not a best thing in a system with big amount of legacy code and few people with knowledge about it ;) (you constatnly have to choose if you want to have a problem being fixed quickly(quicker) or slowly(slower) but with possible increase in bus factor (team expertise)).
All in all good luck guys !:)
James Arget for CSM 8!-áhttp://csm.fcftw.org-á |
SuperShorty
Tor Industrials
0
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Posted - 2013.10.23 05:36:00 -
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Devs know about it, acknowledge it's a problem, are fixing.
Just be patient, wait, and it will be fixed.
This will be awesome when fixed, think of it as "a feature"!
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Vol Arm'OOO
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
122
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Posted - 2013.10.24 15:40:00 -
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Ydnari wrote:Anyone else seeing this? Happening again today - can see people with the KR icon in selected items if I scroll up and down overview, open up overview settings and I have tags and a background configured for it but it's not showing in overview, then I turn the colourtag off and on again without changing anything else, and a few seconds later they change colour in overview and it continues working at least for that session - but on a later login it'll be broken again.
Yea it definitely is wonky. The other day I killed a guy with the tag, then a good 10 min later I come back and he is still marked as being KR - so I track him down and find that the marking is wrong - cant activate the kr or shoot him. I have also what the op is describing many times.
I don't play, I just fourm warrior. |
Ydnari
Estrale Frontiers
Project Wildfire
225
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Posted - 2013.11.19 22:06:00 -
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Not fixed in Rubicon.
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Dieter Rams
The Nommo
Insurance Fraud.
42
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Posted - 2013.11.25 04:14:00 -
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I can confirm this is still broken. |
Dieter Rams
The Nommo
Insurance Fraud.
42
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Posted - 2013.11.30 10:49:00 -
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Quote:So tl;dr, this should be fixed for Rubicon.
What's the status? |
Korben Kurvora
Nuclear Aperture Science
Insurance Fraud.
2
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Posted - 2013.12.02 03:06:00 -
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Confirming I am also experiencing this issue, post-Rubicon. |
Ydnari
Estrale Frontiers
Project Wildfire
240
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Posted - 2013.12.13 23:45:00 -
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Quote: Patch notes for EVE Online: Rubicon 1.0.10
Released on Thursday, December 12, 2013
Fixes
Miscellaneous
The New Eden Universe was made a better place by fixing various bugs.
But not this one.
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Dieter Rams
The Nommo
Insurance Fraud.
42
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Posted - 2013.12.15 11:06:00 -
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Agile development, where devs are allowed to keep their jobs when implementing bad code. |
Dieter Rams
The Nommo
Insurance Fraud.
50
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Posted - 2014.01.23 00:06:00 -
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Bump for posterity. |
Dieter Rams
The Nommo
Insurance Fraud.
51
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Posted - 2014.01.29 06:40:00 -
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Rubicon 1.1 and still no dice, what's it gonna take? |
BuckStrider
Nano-Tech Experiments
133
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Posted - 2014.01.29 16:34:00 -
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Dieter Rams wrote:Rubicon 1.1 and still no dice, what's it gonna take?
Apparently a birthday party with cake and ice cream, since today this thread is one year old
Insert Signature Here..... |
Ydnari
Estrale Frontiers
Project Wildfire
293
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Posted - 2014.01.29 19:26:00 -
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Happy birthday to you,
Happy birthday to you,
Happy birthday dear bug,
Happy birthday to you.
*party poppers*
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Ydnari
Estrale Frontiers
Project Wildfire
294
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Posted - 2014.02.02 14:08:00 -
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Just so we're clear, this is still broken.
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Phoenix Jones
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
412
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Posted - 2014.02.03 15:22:00 -
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Experienced the same thing, but in Barleguet. Guy was flying around, no kill right, after about 20 seconds, his icon changed and it showed up.
Disregarded it till this thread, now realize it was a bug.
Was a few days ago unfortunately.
Stabbers are totally broken
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=15116553
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Dieter Rams
The Nommo
Insurance Fraud.
52
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Posted - 2014.02.06 23:37:00 -
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Bump |
Neutrino Sunset
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
Sanctuary Pact
11
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Posted - 2014.02.10 15:34:00 -
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This thread is reminding me why I quit Eve 3 years ago.
A simple feature, completely broken from day 1. Still broken over a year later. |
Dieter Rams
The Nommo
Insurance Fraud.
53
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Posted - 2014.02.15 02:22:00 -
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I will bump this until fixed. |
Dieter Rams
The Nommo
Insurance Fraud.
53
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Posted - 2014.02.17 15:26:00 -
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So, CCP Paradox... just going to hide this under the rug are we? |
Ydnari
Estrale Frontiers
Project Wildfire
295
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Posted - 2014.02.22 19:26:00 -
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Killrights would probably get used more if people could actually see them.
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Epsilon Aspire
Space Meerkats
1
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Posted - 2014.02.26 14:39:00 -
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Confirming this is still not working correctly. Sometimes deselecting and reselecting in the overview settings fixes it for a few session changes but then it breaks again :(
hoping for a fix soon... |
Your Dad Naked
State War Academy
Caldari State
115
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Posted - 2014.02.26 15:04:00 -
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Neutrino Sunset wrote:This thread is reminding me why I quit Eve 3 years ago.
A simple feature, completely broken from day 1. Still broken over a year later.
I hate to agree, but I agree. I've unsubscribed all my accounts and only pay through PLEX.
Why? Well, why am I giving my money to the developers if they aren't fixing the most basic things? I don't want to pay you $50 a month to add petty new deployables or adjust the hull HP of the Vexor by 100.
Something like this, as well as the legion of UI problems, should be #1 to fix. It's not and I use my wallet to reflect how audacious I find that. |
Dieter Rams
The Nommo
Insurance Fraud.
54
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Posted - 2014.02.26 21:17:00 -
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Bump, CCP Paradox will not escape. |
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