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Deiton
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Posted - 2003.07.14 15:18:00 -
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I have a megathron battleship that is supposed to be the best gallente battleship and one of the best battleship in the game.
Yet whenever I compare it to a ship that is supposed to be similar it comparatively sucks. Let's look at the Apocalypse a ship that is regarded as the best battleship in the game. The ONLY thing it isn't a lot better at than the Megathron is in drone space, it has 1500 versus 2500 in the megathron. This is really ****** up, how about equaling them a bit!
Also consider the Armageddon, a first tier amarr battleship, it has an equal amount of turrets as the Megathron, a lot more power than the megathron, same amount of drone space. It also has 8 low slots compared to 6 on the Megathron. The ONLY thing that the Megathron has that the Armageddon doesn't have equally or better is 2 missile turrets.
Is this a ******* joke? The Megathron should be a lot better. Why should the Amarr ships be so much better than the Gallente ship or that of the other races? Will anything be done to balance this crap out?
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Just frustrated with having a much more expensive and what I believed was a better ship being beaten in almost everything from a first tier amarr battleship, not fair.
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Darth Tom
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Posted - 2003.07.14 15:31:00 -
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Then, as with all proposed ship purchases, you should have examined ship spec *before* buying.
Combine that with your suggestion that there is one overall "best" battleship ..... I don't think you've put a lot of thought into this.
You haven't considered how you will use your battleship, what load out you want to put on it - you've just assumed "This one is the best! I will crush all before me!" - and now you're disappointed because another battleship has different specs, and some of the attributes have bigger numbers next to them.
Then, to start crying "Balance!" - sheesh.
Tragically, I foresee more of this childish behaviour, as more and more people acquire more ISK than sense.
Cheers,
TOM
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StoreSlem
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Posted - 2003.07.14 15:31:00 -
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I agree, both amarr battleships are a bit overpowered.
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Torval Sontu
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Posted - 2003.07.14 16:12:00 -
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The Amarr ships are fine and need some lub.
However I will point out to you at least your ship is sexy.
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Ends
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Posted - 2003.07.14 16:44:00 -
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Well firstly the original poster cited facts that are simply wrong. They are not even worth addressing. Secondly, The Amarr ship is the king of the big hit, but have you looked at their CPU? you can't even to fill up those 7 turrets with CU vapors and AB's before your out of CPU. Also as a owner of a couple of Armagedons I get very worried about my total lack of mid slots. I have no way to mount a warp stabalizer or extra power boosters for my cap. The Armagedon is the flavor of the month no doubt, but don't over estimate them they are not the best by any means. If you have to fight an armagedon try turning on a emp and multispectral shield hardener. They'll be out of cap in moments and helpless.
Edited by: Ends on 14/07/2003 17:06:15
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Ilia Volyova
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Posted - 2003.07.14 17:06:00 -
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The megathron has the same CPU - and Photonic cpu enhancers are a *very* commonplace loot, which give a wooping 27% CPU bonus - so the CPU is really the least of the problems of a Amarr BS..
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Achilles
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Posted - 2003.07.14 17:36:00 -
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I am sure the guys that replied to my post negatively are owners of amarr battleships and they don't wana see them nerfed or see other bships getting adjusted as they should!
The apocalypse is by far the best overall battleship in the game, if you are even trying to dispute that you are an idiot, and the CPU doesn't matter at all because u can just fit one photonic cpu enhancer and your set.
Also Armageddon is way too strong and this needs to be addressed and you CCP guys out there you you need to make the Megathron and other 2-tier battleships A LOT BETTER! Look at the cruisers for example they are much more even than this ******* stupid battleship imbalance!
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StoreSlem
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Posted - 2003.07.14 17:39:00 -
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Torval Sontu, trolling on as usual.
If ccp hadn't shown they were susceptible to just those sorts of whines, I couldn't have cared less. However its not the case and the idea of making the game even harder for everyone not a laser using amarr is not cool. You know very well that if you can arouse enough mindless noobs then ccp might actually listen, and that's disgusting.
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Spike Spiegel
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Posted - 2003.07.14 18:05:00 -
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ArmageddonBattleship
CPU450,
Power12500(i think)
Cargo600
Armor 4250
Structure 3975
Shields 3500
Speed 120
Cap 4250
H8
M3
L8
Missle 0
Turrets 7
Drones 1500
MegathronBattleship
Cpu 450
Power 11000
Cargo 675
Armor 4250
Structure 4800
Shields 3975
Speed 115
Cap 4500
H8
M4
L6
Missle2
Turret 7
Drone 2500
Now looking at this i can see why some ppl think its unbalanced but think of what the Amarr ships are supposed to be like: Heavy Armor, Huge Grid for lasers and big caps. This ship follows that. Its shields are lower which they should be and the Megathron has the same armor(beause gallente arent armor oriented like Amarr are there more of a balance between everything) and the Mega has a HUGE difference in structure. Offense wise there basically on par with eachother but the amarr are MEANT to be super offensive turrets, gallente use more drones which is represented in the 1000 mor drone space..and if you want drones use a dominix with its 5000. This ship is pretty much fine IMO and no I dont own one. Maybe a little tweaking but with the recent powergrid nerf its defiantly better than it was.
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StoreSlem
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Posted - 2003.07.14 18:07:00 -
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You are comparing the basic amarr BB vs the elite gallente BB...
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Spike Spiegel
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Posted - 2003.07.14 18:09:00 -
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I know...thats basically what this thread has been about. People need to look at ALL the stats and thn decide which is best. Personally i think the mega needs either some more CPU or Power other than that its fine.
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Zeknichov
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Posted - 2003.07.14 18:37:00 -
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Spike, it's called Apocalypse not Armageddon.
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Spike Spiegel
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Posted - 2003.07.14 18:47:00 -
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I listed the stats for the Armageddon on PURPOSE as people said it was too powerful even when compared to the Megathron. I know the difference between an Apocalypse and an Armageddon.
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Torval Sontu
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Posted - 2003.07.14 19:00:00 -
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I have already made post wanting races ships more inline with what they describe but honestly just train for whatever ship you want and get it over with.
Megathron is fine
:)
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CrazyColombian
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Posted - 2003.07.14 19:21:00 -
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Gosh, when will people stop whinning about their own mistakes? So what, you purchased the wrong ship to your needs and now you want ccp to change it to make it all better? Maybe you should have read the specs BEFORE buying your ship to make a sound decision. I am caldari, and neither the Scorpion or the Raven fit my needs, so what did i do? Start training amarr battleship, not go to ccp and cry to them to give the scorpion more turret slots and less missile slots. All I can tell you is to learn to plan ahead so that this doesn't happen to you.
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Digital Sin
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Posted - 2003.07.14 19:43:00 -
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the armageddon should have less grid and less turret hardpoints... say, 6. it should retain the energy bonuses. each race's ship should show its own advantage in war.
gallente: drones, hybrid
minmatar: projectile
caldari: Hybrid, missiles
Amarr: Energy
IMO you should have penalties for mounting anything OTHER than the specified weapons.... i mean, whats the point of using a raven for hybrid usage if you can only fit 4 turrets, yet an apocalypse fits eight and still has powergrid left over... also, give bonuses to races who fly it. if you arent an amarr born person, you wont get the same effect from flying an amarr ship. would make characters become more focused instead of being so broad.
however, as it stands, the apocalypse is the most powerful battleship in the game, because:
drones take time to unload
hybrid guns are not very powerful
its main attack source uses no ammunition
it has significant dronespace to match other races ships
missiles are underpowered at the moment, so caldari ships are left out in the cold.
all that combined makes an apoc first choice for the battle (or mining) minded person.
"To be content,to be comfortable, is to be complacent. No one learns anything from pleasure..pain on the other hand is a most efficient instructor" |
Ilia Volyova
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Posted - 2003.07.14 20:21:00 -
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Combatwise structure is basically worth nothing, once you're down on it a bigger structure will only slightly rise the time until you die. Structure has *no* damaga resitances, it goes down a lot faster than armor or shields.
As BS the Armageddon and the Megathron are pretty much euqual - would be no problem if the armageddon wouldn't be a lvl1 BS and the Megathron a lvl2....
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Trebonius
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Posted - 2003.07.14 20:25:00 -
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Should we give Japanese a bonus to driving Hondas and Americans a bonus to driving Cadillacs? The idea that people should be restricted to ship type by their race is artificial and silly. Why should a minmatar who has spent his entire life as a slave in the amarr empire have a bonus to flying minmatar ships? Maybe the first time he even saw the inside of a minmatar ship was when he escaped from slavery. Every character in the game does not subscribe to the idea that you should only fly ships designed by your race and they should not be forced to by artificial means. Not only are the races no longer at war, but there are Gallente building Caldari ships and Amarr building Gallente ships. Fly the best ship for the job and leave the ridiculous ideology to the amarr priests.
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Lonewulf
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Posted - 2003.07.15 02:18:00 -
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The fact that anyone can do or be anything is one of the strongest points in this game.. you no longer have to worry about picking a gimped starting class or race because in the long run everyone can turn out equal. The original poster is upset because he feels that his mega isn't as good as an Apoc or even an Armageddon. So? I'm a Calderi and while I like the Moa fine, I realized Calderi BS are VERY gimp when compared to ALL other BS (whoever would put 4 turrets and all those gimp missles on a BS musta been crazy) so I just picked up an Amarr Frig and Cruiser skill pack and am training up with going for Amarr BS in the near future. Sure it set me back about a week or so to get my Amarr cruiser skill to 3 to match my Cald skill.. but it's not the end of the world. In the long run Ill enjoy the flexibility of being able to operate 2 out of the 4 heavy cruisers in the game as well enjoying the flexibility of all those frigs to choose from if the need should ever arise.
Dont get me wrong.. I would have much rather Calderi had a decent BS, it would have definately saved a chunk of time and Isk.. but at least you can be thankful that you didn't end up comparing your Raven to an Apoc.. then you'd REALLY have a legetimate gripe lol
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Kashre
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Posted - 2003.07.15 03:49:00 -
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ACtually, Id say yeah, the apocolypse IS better than the Megathron, in general. But have you looked at the difference in prices?
the Megathron takes about 66.184 million isk of minerals to build (at NPC prices) including 9400 zydrine and 2900 megacyte.
The Apoc requires 77.343 million in minerals, including 9900 zydrine, and *3700* megacyte.
You get what you pay for.
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Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2003.07.15 07:13:00 -
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The Scorpion is far from gimp.
Electronic warfare is very powerful, quite a few Apocolypses have fallen to Scorpions. =]
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Fuffel
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Posted - 2003.07.15 08:23:00 -
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you named the problem:
lots of ppl are going for a apoc...sounds like a balancing
problem :(
so can anyobody tell me what this 2500 drone space on the mega is about?
Edited by: Fuffel on 15/07/2003 08:23:53
Edited by: Fuffel on 15/07/2003 08:24:02 |
Madboy
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Posted - 2003.07.15 08:36:00 -
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*watches as Deitons dumby flies accross the room*
Watch the swears huh, Kids play this game
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Posted - 2003.07.15 08:51:00 -
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Watch your mouth deiton before sprouting off all that abusive language.
Before paying out all that money, the sensible and normal thing would of been to check the stats on all the ships to see which best suits your needs and not whinge because you made a bad judgement.
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Dragon Emperor
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Posted - 2003.07.15 08:56:00 -
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megathrone is cheaper, so it SHOULD be weaker. enough said.
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Fuffel
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Posted - 2003.07.15 09:42:00 -
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who really cares for 10m in this class?
lvl 1 ships are weaker and cost 50% -that is a difference.
still thinking that the drone space is a joke. |
Letifer Deus
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Posted - 2003.07.15 14:51:00 -
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Well, the Megathron looks the coolest =)
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Dragon Emperor
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Posted - 2003.07.15 17:23:00 -
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then who care which race you are. If you think apo is better, then fly an apo, nobody prevent you from flying an apo.
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Ilia Volyova
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Posted - 2003.07.15 17:45:00 -
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/sarcasm on
Right, let's just everyone fly a apoc and we'll be happy. Why haven't I've seen that before - we could have avoided all this nerfs if we just all had used scouts 650's or uber-damage-mods or gatecamping in empirespace or...
/sarcasmn off
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StoreSlem
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Posted - 2003.07.15 23:10:00 -
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Dragon something lame person.
No the megathron shouldn't be weaker. It should be 'just' as strong and just as expensive.
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