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NEONOVUS
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Posted - 2013.01.30 19:40:00 -
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Simple fix to hisec industry stuff.
Turn 20 slots into 10, award all current items in queue completed to owners (It is a fair thing).
Thus the hisec matter is solved as now its make a POS or go expand out over the slots.
Time takes is 1 dt.
Well maybe more depending on the awarding of items.
Also there was a thread already posted of the moons.
Why?
Because time travel |
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Posted - 2013.01.30 21:17:00 -
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Shamus O'Reilly wrote:NEONOVUS wrote:Simple fix to hisec industry stuff.
Turn 20 slots into 10, award all current items in queue completed to owners (It is a fair thing).
Thus the hisec matter is solved as now its make a POS or go expand out over the slots.
Time takes is 1 dt.
Well maybe more depending on the awarding of items.
Also there was a thread already posted of the moons.
Why?
Because time travel looks like someone actually understands hisec does have an issue that isnt a nullseccer... honesly its true. Drop hisec's indie slots and one major issue is in check. but it must be done while a nullsec industry revamp happens
I run my own pos and do actually fight
As in lose ships/kill ships.
Hisec and lowsec.
Just not null sec I tried that and got podded on the way in.
So I cant really speak for null beyond the fact that static warp bubbles with infinite warp strength are broken and op. |
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Posted - 2013.01.30 21:36:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Piugattuk wrote:
Tell you what get your goons buddies onboard and recruit existing industrialist player to live in you're NPC station, give them protection services and they will fill you're NPC station full of items, just drop the requirements that joining must be SA forums.
As someone who does build stuff I will just take this time to tell you that it is not only far cheaper to build everything in empire and ship it to null but there are also nowhere near enough slots to build much of anything in null sec.
Im curious about this.
http://eve.1019.net/pos/?ct=00&mod=03030303031N1N1N1N1N1O1O1O1O1O1P1P1P1P1P0V0V0V0V0W0W0W0W0U0U&off=
That has more production slots than a hisec station 5x, they can be traded around if you want to make more and it can be tanked better without losing as much production as a station.
And as there are more moons than stations well why are you complaining?
Aside from logistics but that is separate from your claim. |
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Posted - 2013.01.30 22:58:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:It also costs around 300 mil every 21 days to run a large POS whether you use it or not . Far cheaper to use high sec and just JF it to where we need it.
See now that is a better argument than saying you cant match production in high (as disclosure I ran a large minmatar pos in Namaili and made my first billion that way) you cant make as much profit as a hisec station per item but you can make more profit through sheer volume.
As for the wardeccing and all, I laugh as you can shove the pos in a back water system and work there.
Probably safer than having to deal with the war dec and take down in hisec.
Whatever point is you can build as much in null as in hi, you just find it less risky to riskless to do so in hi. |
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Posted - 2013.01.30 23:16:00 -
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uh that pos has over 125 slots
granted they are mixed but the usage is the same between modules so it would still be 125
So how is that worse than a hisec station 20?
Oh wait .75 build time so 166 slots effective.
So yeah.
Also arent people complaining about npc corp wardec immunity and then here you are advocating station tank industry?
baltec1 wrote:NEONOVUS wrote:
See now that is a better argument than saying you cant match production in high (as disclosure I ran a large minmatar pos in Namaili and made my first billion that way) you cant make as much profit as a hisec station per item but you can make more profit through sheer volume.
As for the wardeccing and all, I laugh as you can shove the pos in a back water system and work there.
Probably safer than having to deal with the war dec and take down in hisec.
Whatever point is you can build as much in null as in hi, you just find it less risky to riskless to do so in hi.
No we find that it is far cheaper to run industry jobs in high sec as it is damn near free. Even when you factor in fuel costs you are paying a fraction of the costs you face doing the same job in null sec.
Which is what I said.
You CAN do industry easily in null, you just would rather not face the risk of doing so.
ability != superior |
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Posted - 2013.01.31 00:00:00 -
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Shamus O'Reilly wrote:I honestly never thought i'd be agreeing with so many goonies in a single thread.... 
That's because the ones here are the haggard industrialists the salt of null the vander wall forces of the region.
But yeah high is to good in that it allows everyone to use it.
Perhaps making them npc corp only and then disallowing invention would fix it.
Along with halving the number of slots.
Thus making low look better eliminating thw whole one man corp thing that higher rates would cause. |
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Posted - 2013.01.31 00:18:00 -
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Piugattuk wrote:NEONOVUS wrote:Shamus O'Reilly wrote:I honestly never thought i'd be agreeing with so many goonies in a single thread.... That's because the ones here are the haggard industrialists the salt of null the vander wall forces of the region. But yeah high is to good in that it allows everyone to use it. Perhaps making them npc corp only and then disallowing invention would fix it. Along with halving the number of slots. Thus making low look better eliminating thw whole one man corp thing that higher rates would cause. Funny thing, I remember long ago a fresh noob when trit was under 1 isk, then trit prices rose a bit, then halkageddion came and prices climb and climb I left when a Drake was 25 mil came back and now a Drake is 55 mil and prices for Veldspar were 11 isk then a null alliance puts permanent hulkageddion and prices for Veldspar rose again, how did a hi sec miner cause that. Understand you guys do it to yourself. (Make things harder).
I started just as those changes happened and plex beat 500 mil.
And yet to me all that it shows is people just keep making more ISK.
That is ISK is seriously inflating in value and thus needs to be deflated.
Probably by a mandatory Concord tax or something.
Point being the prices are a result of no sinks rather than something system. |
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Posted - 2013.01.31 00:31:00 -
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ashley Eoner wrote:NEONOVUS wrote:Piugattuk wrote:NEONOVUS wrote:Shamus O'Reilly wrote:I honestly never thought i'd be agreeing with so many goonies in a single thread.... That's because the ones here are the haggard industrialists the salt of null the vander wall forces of the region. But yeah high is to good in that it allows everyone to use it. Perhaps making them npc corp only and then disallowing invention would fix it. Along with halving the number of slots. Thus making low look better eliminating thw whole one man corp thing that higher rates would cause. Funny thing, I remember long ago a fresh noob when trit was under 1 isk, then trit prices rose a bit, then halkageddion came and prices climb and climb I left when a Drake was 25 mil came back and now a Drake is 55 mil and prices for Veldspar were 11 isk then a null alliance puts permanent hulkageddion and prices for Veldspar rose again, how did a hi sec miner cause that. Understand you guys do it to yourself. (Make things harder). I started just as those changes happened and plex beat 500 mil. And yet to me all that it shows is people just keep making more ISK. That is ISK is seriously inflating in value and thus needs to be deflated. Probably by a mandatory Concord tax or something. Point being the prices are a result of no sinks rather than something system. Wait did you just claim there are no sinks in EVE??
Relative to the ISK coming in, yes.
There are sinks but they get less than .1 of all ISK.
Oh and then there is wealth centralization (That is your queue Goons)
Which makes all the ISk end up in certain people's pockets instead of being spread out. |
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