So youre posting a "I quit because X" thread on behalf of your friends in an effort to turn Eve into Hello Kitty Superfuntime Hugfest Bestfriends Foreverandever Online?

I agree with the OP: The tutorial needs to help the new players learn just how harsh this game is so they can make an informed decision and not just rage quit.

I agree with the OP: The tutorial needs to help the new players learn just how harsh this game is so they can make an informed decision and not just rage quit.

So youre posting a "I quit because X" thread on behalf of your friends in an effort to turn Eve into Hello Kitty Superfuntime Hugfest Bestfriends Foreverandever Online?

If you think that SP is the barrier that keeps people from defending themselves, Its not. For a new player it might be more the ISK to replace those first losses, but those first losses should have given you lessons to learn from. Instead of going with an ostrich corp that simply hides from danger, why not join a PvP corp that teaches how to actually fight? There are even corps that will give you t1 frigates and fittings to play with!

You said that there is no training on watching local and other blah blah points, yet you yourself know these lessons, and you yourself failed to teach them to your 'friends'. Good friend there. Here is Eve, Goodluck. Aww you failed and quit? Dont worry! Ill head to the forums and avenge you!

Yes the new player experience could be tweaked. But there will never be a replacement for someone who is willing to show someone else the ropes, and frankly, Aura is NOT the teacher for that. Aura's job is to teach you how to get started, its up to the corps you choose to mold the new player into a good player. New players shouldnt be creating their own corps anyways. Only once they have learned the game and what to look out for, then they can go ahead and create that superfriends corp with the supercool name theyve always wanted.

While I may not totally agree with the op, I can disagree with you. SP is a massive barrier initially, why do you think so many seasoned pilots go after newbies? I'll tell you why, because they are easy pickings. A seasoned pilot with maxed out support skills will wipe the floor with a newbie, specially if running navy or deadspace fits because they have a ton of ISK. There is however a sweet spot where if a new player trained properly they can compete on a relatively level playing field after say 6 or 7 months, until then they are just lambs to a wolf. You honestly think a player running basic or standard certificates in pertinent areas can compete with a player running elites across the board? Never in a million years.

The lower skilled player will have an inferior tank, inferior grids, inferior cap, inferior speed, inferior agility, inferior dps and inferior experience.

I have a friend fairly new to the game, been training for 3 months in a pure combat role with frigates and he is not even close to matching my veteran pilots

People like you just say that crap about SP not mattering to make yourselves feel good about your kills, when in fact your kills are a joke just like you.

OP is right kinda, but first.. Stuff?

Had to ask.

The tutorial is SO much better than before, but it still kinda sucks. Captains quarters actually made it alot more difficult to play, as a new player that is. They log in, WASD to move around, undock as the tutorial said, and a completley different world appears. It's literaly the most intimidating thing a new player can experience, 1,400+ OTHER places to go, and like me, that's what i did, not knowing any better. Got scamed, raped, pillaged, slapped, had my ass knocked into the ground multiple times, etc, much of that COULD have been avoided with a better ( and not 3 weeks long ) tutorial, Now i didn't care much that i was destroyed when i was a new player, i still don't care now, i go out and throw away Battleships like they're frigates. But i think that's what kept me playing, actually ignoring the non-informative tutorial, and learning everything the hard way.


I'm typing this after falling for a margin scam like 2 hours ago, i'm ashamed.... Who wants to buy 2x Officer Active EM armor Hardeners?

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What an awful awful post. You should feel bad and so should your imaginary friends.

Any particular post? All of them? None of them?

Oh idk....... The OP troll attempt maybe? Or maybe that other thread where you cry about hilariously losing your faction fit CNR to a glorious awox?

Their first instinct when they encountered a problem was to file a petition? What game did they come from where that would ever be your first instinct?

Not sure what kind of "friend" you are to have gotten them to join the game, then pretty much abandoned them to their own devices.

WAAAAANNNNHHH! I lost my CNR. BFD. I have another now, and another billion ISK in my wallet, and an SNI.

What do you have?

Expectations? I doubt it.
Morals. Doubt that too.
Courage. Nah.
Encyclopedic knowledge of the game? Sorry, you probably don't know what that means.

So how about we meet? For a friendly exchange of ideas?

How about in 9F-7PZ?

How about if we use rookie ships? Only one slot full? (I suggest a high slot.)

You have 10 days to try to get there and scout the system.

I have no friends there. If you do, oh well.

The killboard will tell the tale.

They went through the rest of their missions and set out together. They were in an NPC Corp with several other rookies and experienced players. I really couldn't wait until they could join my corp but we were getting War Dec'd at one of our High Sec outpostsby a group that wanted to harass a industry corp with almost no kills. We all docked up or just switched to non corp alts.

While I may not totally agree with the op, I can disagree with you. SP is a massive barrier initially, why do you think so many seasoned pilots go after newbies? I'll tell you why, because they are easy pickings. A seasoned pilot with maxed out support skills will wipe the floor with a newbie, specially if running navy or deadspace fits because they have a ton of ISK. There is however a sweet spot where if a new player trained properly they can compete on a relatively level playing field after say 6 or 7 months, until then they are just lambs to a wolf. You honestly think a player running basic or standard certificates in pertinent areas can compete with a player running elites across the board? Never in a million years.

The lower skilled player will have an inferior tank, inferior grids, inferior cap, inferior speed, inferior agility, inferior dps and inferior experience.

I have a friend fairly new to the game, been training for 3 months in a pure combat role with frigates and he is not even close to matching my veteran pilots

People like you just say that crap about SP not mattering to make yourselves feel good about your kills, when in fact your kills are a joke just like you.

Dear CCP Seagull
... lots of stuff

Misleading new players into thinking that forming a corp of their own instead of joining an established corp to learn in is just mean. Raise the threshold to create a corp to Corp Management 5 and the cost to 100M ISK.