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Zverofaust
Ascetic Virtues
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Posted - 2011.10.10 21:48:00 -
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Quote:ex-+pan-+sionGÇé GÇé[ik-span-shuhn] noun 1. the act or process of expanding. 2. the state or quality of being expanded. 3. the amount or degree of expanding. 4. an expanded, dilated, or enlarged portion or form of a thing: The present article is an expansion of one he wrote last year.
Don't get me wrong, the changes, fixes and patches and general hint of "redemption" coming out of CCP lately are pretty cool, but why are we still calling this an "expansion"? Back in my day the word "expansion" defined some sort of large package of additional content that expanded the game world in whatever way. But let's be honest, the list of things planned to be included in the winter "expansion" are at best some patches and hotfixes long overdue, and at worst delivering only a small fraction of what was promised in the last "expansion".
Now I'm not saying don't release these changes and fixes, on the contrary, please do. But part of the reason people are getting fed up is that CCP keeps using buzzwords like "expansion" and delivering mainly tweaks and code changes with no actual content. Granted, releasing the 3 remaining Captain's Quarters is a three-fold increase in new content over the Incarna "expansion" but it's still not enough to warrant calling it such. So come on, just stick to "Winter Update", it's much more accurate, compelling and non-infuriating. |

Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2011.10.10 21:49:00 -
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Zverofaust wrote:Quote:ex-+pan-+sionGÇé GÇé[ik-span-shuhn] noun 1. the act or process of expanding. 2. the state or quality of being expanded. 3. the amount or degree of expanding. 4. an expanded, dilated, or enlarged portion or form of a thing: The present article is an expansion of one he wrote last year. Don't get me wrong, the changes, fixes and patches and general hint of "redemption" coming out of CCP lately are pretty cool, but why are we still calling this an "expansion"? Back in my day the word "expansion" defined some sort of large package of additional content that expanded the game world in whatever way. But let's be honest, the list of things planned to be included in the winter "expansion" are at best some patches and hotfixes long overdue, and at worst delivering only a small fraction of what was promised in the last "expansion". Now I'm not saying don't release these changes and fixes, on the contrary, please do. But part of the reason people are getting fed up is that CCP keeps using buzzwords like "expansion" and delivering mainly tweaks and code changes with no actual content. Granted, releasing the 3 remaining Captain's Quarters is a three-fold increase in new content over the Incarna "expansion" but it's still not enough to warrant calling it such. So come on, just stick to "Winter Update", it's much more accurate, compelling and non-infuriating.
Yes, they're expanding tatical horizons. |

Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2011.10.10 21:49:00 -
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A short time ago, in a galaxy very very close, many people cried out for the next expansion to be focused on fixes, balancing and spaceships... |

Zverofaust
Ascetic Virtues
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Posted - 2011.10.10 21:54:00 -
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Rico Minali wrote:A short time ago, in a galaxy very very close, many people cried out for the next expansion to be focused on fixes, balancing and spaceships...
That's great and I agree, all of these changes are incredibly long overdue. But it's not an expansion, it's an update. Tomato tomato maybe, but it seems silly to keep calling these expansions when very, very few of them actually are. |

Large Collidable Object
morons.
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Posted - 2011.10.10 21:55:00 -
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Also, Zulus blog mentioned something about new Ewar drones and T2 mods - there: expansion. morons-áare recruiting. We're good at breeding! |

Rion Deteisan
Forged Prophets
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Posted - 2011.10.10 22:05:00 -
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Zverofaust wrote:Rico Minali wrote:A short time ago, in a galaxy very very close, many people cried out for the next expansion to be focused on fixes, balancing and spaceships... That's great and I agree, all of these changes are incredibly long overdue. But it's not an expansion, it's an update. Tomato tomato maybe, but it seems silly to keep calling these expansions when very, very few of them actually are.
I agree.. these are not expansions. These tend to be small adjustments of numbers on a spreadsheet mixed with some delayed content that should of been released the "expansion" before. |

EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
136
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Posted - 2011.10.10 22:08:00 -
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Look at me, I have a dictionary, CCP ARE DUM!11!! |

EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.10 22:08:00 -
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Heh. |

Fix Lag
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Posted - 2011.10.10 22:18:00 -
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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
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Posted - 2011.10.10 22:30:00 -
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I too like to play semantic shell-games. "Just because I seem like an idiot, doesn't mean I am one." ~Unknown |

Zverofaust
Ascetic Virtues
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Posted - 2011.10.10 22:31:00 -
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EnderCapitalG wrote:Look at me, I have a dictionary, CCP ARE DUM!11!!
ACTUALLY I do not, thanks to this brilliant invention called the internet I am able to access thousands upon thousands of books and documents electronically! |

Psychophantic
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Posted - 2011.10.10 22:32:00 -
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EnderCapitalG wrote:Look at me, I have a dictionary, CCP ARE DUM!11!!
Still haven't gotten laid? |

Zverofaust
Ascetic Virtues
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Posted - 2011.10.10 22:33:00 -
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Large Collidable Object wrote:Also, Zulus blog mentioned something about new Ewar drones and T2 mods - there: expansion.
This just in, Blizzard announces new pair of boots for WoW, calls it "The Clogs Of Despair" Expansion which will hit stores early next year for the low price of $19.99.
NOPE not an expansion.
Disclaimer: I have never nor will ever played WoW. Though I did play Lineage 2 for a couple months. |

Xercodo
Xovoni Directorate
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Posted - 2011.10.10 22:37:00 -
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-new nebulae -new cyno/jump -new gun firing effects -time dilation -3 other CQs -probably more NeX stuff and the shaders on all ships being updated
the list on the devblog wasn't ALL of it, just the balances and fixes section. The Drake is a Lie |

Cage Shadownsun
Molten Metalworks
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Posted - 2011.10.10 22:45:00 -
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Zverofaust wrote:Quote:ex-+pan-+sionGÇé GÇé[ik-span-shuhn] noun 1. the act or process of expanding. 2. the state or quality of being expanded. 3. the amount or degree of expanding. 4. an expanded, dilated, or enlarged portion or form of a thing: The present article is an expansion of one he wrote last year. Don't get me wrong, the changes, fixes and patches and general hint of "redemption" coming out of CCP lately are pretty cool, but why are we still calling this an "expansion"? Back in my day the word "expansion" defined some sort of large package of additional content that expanded the game world in whatever way. But let's be honest, the list of things planned to be included in the winter "expansion" are at best some patches and hotfixes long overdue, and at worst delivering only a small fraction of what was promised in the last "expansion". Now I'm not saying don't release these changes and fixes, on the contrary, please do. But part of the reason people are getting fed up is that CCP keeps using buzzwords like "expansion" and delivering mainly tweaks and code changes with no actual content. Granted, releasing the 3 remaining Captain's Quarters is a three-fold increase in new content over the Incarna "expansion" but it's still not enough to warrant calling it such. So come on, just stick to "Winter Update", it's much more accurate, compelling and non-infuriating.
I think it's more of a familiar term than anything else. Smaller updates such as patches usually contain smaller, less significant or time-consuming changes/additions, while expansions themselves require a much greater dedication or affects the overall gameplay much more, overall. So while it may not be an "Expansion" in that anything is being added (though they have mentioned there are things likely to be added), it's an "Expansion" in MMO terms in that it's not small enough to be considered a patch.
Does that make any sense? |

Kengutsi Akira
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Posted - 2011.10.10 22:50:00 -
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Zverofaust wrote:Quote:ex-+pan-+sionGÇé GÇé[ik-span-shuhn] noun 1. the act or process of expanding. 2. the state or quality of being expanded. 3. the amount or degree of expanding. 4. an expanded, dilated, or enlarged portion or form of a thing: The present article is an expansion of one he wrote last year. Don't get me wrong, the changes, fixes and patches and general hint of "redemption" coming out of CCP lately are pretty cool, but why are we still calling this an "expansion"? Back in my day the word "expansion" defined some sort of large package of additional content that expanded the game world in whatever way. But let's be honest, the list of things planned to be included in the winter "expansion" are at best some patches and hotfixes long overdue, and at worst delivering only a small fraction of what was promised in the last "expansion". Now I'm not saying don't release these changes and fixes, on the contrary, please do. But part of the reason people are getting fed up is that CCP keeps using buzzwords like "expansion" and delivering mainly tweaks and code changes with no actual content. Granted, releasing the 3 remaining Captain's Quarters is a three-fold increase in new content over the Incarna "expansion" but it's still not enough to warrant calling it such. So come on, just stick to "Winter Update", it's much more accurate, compelling and non-infuriating.
Yes, expansion gives it a feeling of something special that adds on to the game. Not bug fixes that should already have been taken care of years ago instead of using EVE to Beta the WoD technology. (And thats not speculation, they wont admit it to us but Ive seen on their WoD page where they are soothing the WoD players that Incarna is a "prototype")
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Zverofaust
Ascetic Virtues
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Posted - 2011.10.10 22:55:00 -
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Xercodo wrote:-new nebulae -new cyno/jump -new gun firing effects -time dilation -3 other CQs -probably more NeX stuff and the shaders on all ships being updated
the list on the devblog wasn't ALL of it, just the balances and fixes section.
None of these are ******* "expansions" these are tweaks and updates. Christ, is everyone ******** and forgot what expansions used to actually be? These wouldn't even be called DLCs. Episodes of Liberty City was an expansion, it added hours and hours of new gameplay, items, stories and characters. Black Ops was an expansion, it added new maps and weapons. Shivering Isles was an expansion, it added an entirely new gameworld. Rise of the Samurai is an expansion, it adds an entire new campaign. A couple of updated effects, bug fixes and rebalancing tweaks and some minor content to add to something started months ago is *not* an expansion. |

Solstice Project
Cult of Personality
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Posted - 2011.10.10 23:04:00 -
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'xcuse me, but ...
WHERE IN HELL DO YOU READ THAT THIS CHANGE IS THE WHOLE EXPANSION ??????
HE'S ONLY TALKING ABOUT THE NERF AND THAT'S IT !
WHAT THE **** IS WRONG WITH YOU ???
*cough*
Thx. |

Gogurt
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Posted - 2011.10.10 23:13:00 -
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Zverofaust wrote:Xercodo wrote:-new nebulae -new cyno/jump -new gun firing effects -time dilation -3 other CQs -probably more NeX stuff and the shaders on all ships being updated
the list on the devblog wasn't ALL of it, just the balances and fixes section. None of these are ******* "expansions" these are tweaks and updates. Christ, is everyone ******** and forgot what expansions used to actually be? These wouldn't even be called DLCs. Episodes of Liberty City was an expansion, it added hours and hours of new gameplay, items, stories and characters. Black Ops was an expansion, it added new maps and weapons. Shivering Isles was an expansion, it added an entirely new gameworld. Rise of the Samurai is an expansion, it adds an entire new campaign. A couple of updated effects, bug fixes and rebalancing tweaks and some minor content to add to something started months ago is *not* an expansion.
Ok, there is a difference but
CCP is based in Iceland. Really if you think about it places like Haiti, Mexico, all of Africa, get a special pass on stuff like 'progress' 'accomplishment' 'expectation'. Why shouldn't Iceland? Because they're all white? What, are we all racists who will only give passes to colored people? |

mkint
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Posted - 2011.10.10 23:13:00 -
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Xercodo wrote:-new nebulae -new cyno/jump -new gun firing effects -time dilation -3 other CQs -probably more NeX stuff and the shaders on all ships being updated
the list on the devblog wasn't ALL of it, just the balances and fixes section. -nobody said we're getting nebulae this winter. Only word on it since fanfest was a dev post saying "not gonna be in Incarna." -pretty sure a dev said turret effects aren't happening for winter. -CQ's, wh0re st0re stuff, and graphics stuff = who the hell cares? I love it when devs focus on flash over substance and their games inevitably fail miserably.
so... 1 out of five. And the other things that were promised mostly really are simply adjusting numbers in a spreadsheet. I wonder what the other 597 devs are doing. |

EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.10 23:14:00 -
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Psychophantic wrote:EnderCapitalG wrote:Look at me, I have a dictionary, CCP ARE DUM!11!! Still haven't gotten laid?
I did this morning!
I'm in a far better mood today, thanks for asking :) |

Bomberlocks
CTRL-Q
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Posted - 2011.10.10 23:23:00 -
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One word: Tornado. |

Jada Maroo
Mysterium Astrometrics BRABODEN
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Posted - 2011.10.10 23:24:00 -
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You know in all seriousness I would have preferred a little more creativity with the changes. Removing triage modules for carriers and introducing a dedicated cap logistics ship would have been nice. I don't think removing drone bays from dreads was necessary but if they must I wish they could have come up with some new AoE modules for them. Kind of feels like they're just tweaking some numbers (which is fine, some numbers need fixing) but not actually creating unique features for these ships. |

Gank'aho
One within we are
0
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Posted - 2011.10.10 23:26:00 -
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I have been calling them patches for awhile now, this is nothing new. |

Chopper Rollins
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.10.10 23:28:00 -
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DICTIONARY - (noun) - a tool for controlling language.
Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good. |

CATPAIN KIRK
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.10.10 23:30:00 -
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Bomberlocks wrote:One word: Tornado.
I like Tomato. |

Solstice Project
Cult of Personality
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Posted - 2011.10.10 23:31:00 -
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I'm wondering if they finally present us the bounty hunting stuff they've talked about fifty years ago.
I'd love to see that !
I'm dreaming of a white christmas security status upgrade based on the status of the victim ... ... and no security loss if i pod somebody who has a bounty on his head ... :)
Dreams..
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Burtzum
Pacific Mining and Manufacturing Co-operative Nox Draconum
0
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Posted - 2011.10.11 02:20:00 -
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EVE has over-expanded long ago. CCP needs to focus on working with what they already have and making the game less of a boring pain in the ass. I'm fine with no more expansions. Just make the game fun and bring everything to a high polish. |

Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous
94
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Posted - 2011.10.11 02:34:00 -
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Here is where you should go for all the new content you need. Any yes, thar be pandas. Enjoy!
I love this sandbox game that eschews "theme-park" content, yet somehow attracts players that whine when said content is not delivered upon. |

mkint
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Posted - 2011.10.11 02:36:00 -
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Burtzum wrote:EVE has over-expanded long ago. CCP needs to focus on working with what they already have and making the game less of a boring pain in the ass. I'm fine with no more expansions. Just make the game fun and bring everything to a high polish. An expansion can do both. A real expansion that is. A lot of EVE's "expansions" have been done in the name of "laying the framework." Well, a picture's frame can only be engaging for a finite amount of time. Expand that frame with an actual picture, and it becomes much more engaging. |

Salx
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.10.11 03:50:00 -
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Zverofaust wrote:EnderCapitalG wrote:Look at me, I have a dictionary, CCP ARE DUM!11!! ACTUALLY I do not, thanks to this brilliant invention called the internet I am able to access thousands upon thousands of books and documents electronically!
Wait is this internet thing an expansion? And if so when is it coming to eve? Because this is the first I've heard of it! |

Alex Sinai
Mining And Probing Specialists
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Posted - 2011.10.11 06:45:00 -
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Expansion? Well, Incarna was an expansion. A total failure but still it can be called expansion in a way. It added WiS and NeX store. And lowered the players numbers.
If what I read so far about winter expansion will be it, it's a patch an update but not an expansion. Fixing long overdue bugs, adding few items and may be one or two ships per race cannot be called expansion no matter how hard they try to call it so. |

Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
109
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Posted - 2011.10.11 07:10:00 -
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Well, they can call this one Dominion-II for all i care. Sometimes the only difference between a budding genius and a blooming idiot is where they chose to take a stand. |
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