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Khaldorn Murino
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Posted - 2005.07.11 15:47:00 -
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We are a free alliance. If some of our members wish to show respect to a decrepid slaver emporer then that is their choice.
We do not have to like it though. And I for one would have shot anyone there if I was not planetbound.
I do not agree with what my brothers did on this day, showing respect to that scum. But that is their choice.
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"Whenever I hear any one arguing for slavery I feel a strong impulse to see it tried on him personally." - Unknown Warrior
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Darth Revanant
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Posted - 2005.07.11 16:27:00 -
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Edited by: Darth Revanant on 11/07/2005 16:28:44
1) There never was any agreement with AM from anyone. If you assumed one to be in place that's your fault.
2) Even after UK attacked our members one jump from the ceremony, I stared at 5 UK shuttles from the camera drone of my retribution with a half-dozen other ships who were eagerly wanting to shoot them. UK would not have been so gracious if the situation had been reversed.
3) I would never be so stupid as to think I could get any ship of any type into enemy territory and get out again without being shot at. Especially if some of my alliance mates were shooting at said enemy one jump away from me.
4) It's obvious if you truly wanted to show this 'respect' you speak of Sarkos, you would have controlled your alliance mates better. You say that you only hold certain members as persona non gratta, not the whole alliance, but we are not the ragtag bunch of pilots UK is. What our alliance mates did is fully backed by the entire alliance.
You people seem intent on thinking we are a kindler, gentler paramilitary. That's your mistake. You had no agreement with us and it is only by my good graces those shuttles made it out of amarr in the first place. If you keep making the same mistake of confusing us with the CVA, that is your fault.
Unless we say otherwise, the only way we'll not shoot at you is if you're in a station. Call us cowards all you want, but then you're making another mistake, by thinking that we care.
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Lord Artemis
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Posted - 2005.07.11 16:29:00 -
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Instead of the drawn out responses of the UK let me point out relevant facts:
-2 of our members were attacked 5 mins before the ceremony, in sarum prime, at amarr gate.
-report received in amarr by myself that UK attack squad just took down 2. I and other members recieved request after request to take down the UK at the ceremony. This would have been the time you guys saw the ships approach your position. All pilots in Amarr were told to stand fast. We would not desecrate the ceremony in any way. We have honor & respect otherwise you would not have been there for the ceremony. We did this in spite of not having an agreement with UK
- 2 shuttles & 2 pods belonging to Cold Lazarus & Sibuto Obafemi were taken down in the system Mahrokht @ 2053
You have only shown your lack of unity as an alliance and general disorganization. Do not attempt to smear AM's good name with your own fallacies.
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Witch Doctor
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Posted - 2005.07.11 16:34:00 -
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This entire episode is astounding. As Khaldorn has said, the Ushra'Khan supports a wide array of personal beliefs. That said, laying down arms and joining in a celebration of individual oppression and paying homage to the personification of slavery is unbearable. I certainly did not expect that we had any groveling Midularites in our midst, but I was proven wrong.
We have seen how the Amarrian paramilitarists honor cease-fires in the past at the slavery protest at Matar where their pilots granted free passage gathered intel for an invading fleet. If any of our pilots forgot that lesson, they fully deserve to have their pods shot out from under them.
I for one applaud the U'K pilots who did not countenance a sickening show of support for oppression and subjugation that defines the Empire and chose to fight. Apologies should not come from our warriors or our enemies but those who kiss the feet of the enemies of humanity.
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Tar Kovsky
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Posted - 2005.07.11 16:36:00 -
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 Originally by: Darth Revanant
2) Even after UK attacked our members one jump from the ceremony, I stared at 5 UK shuttles from the camera drone of my retribution with a half-dozen other ships who were eagerly wanting to shoot them. UK would not have been so gracious if the situation had been reversed.
Oh, really?
I seem to recall a certain protest at Pator which a slaver was permitted to peacefully attend in a shuttle. He was not attacked. On the contrary, that pilot quietly gathered intelligence on the assembled freedom fighters and beamed the encrypted information to a waiting slaver fleet, which proceeded to warp in and attack, disrupting the protest.
You can be sure that the -MM- and RCS pilots' honor precluded them from doing something similar at your emperor's <spit> funeral.
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Sith Marauder
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Posted - 2005.07.11 17:06:00 -
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It is not really my place to comment but I'm going to anyway. I had misunderstood the cease fire terms when I attended the memorial. I had assumed that the cease fire applied to all who attended and that all those who attended were expected to abide by it. I did not fire and was not fired upon, though prior to the event Darth Revenant did attempt to engage me.
Given that many must have attended the memorial with those rules in mind and that CVA had offered a cease fire to allow many people of diverse cultures to gather in one place in relative safety, are CVA going to seek reparations for those who have plaed their trust in the CVA cease fire and had it so sorely abused?
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Darth Revanant
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Posted - 2005.07.11 17:26:00 -
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Edited by: Darth Revanant on 11/07/2005 17:32:41
Originally by: Tar Kovsky
Originally by: Darth Revanant
2) Even after UK attacked our members one jump from the ceremony, I stared at 5 UK shuttles from the camera drone of my retribution with a half-dozen other ships who were eagerly wanting to shoot them. UK would not have been so gracious if the situation had been reversed.
Oh, really?
I seem to recall a certain protest at Pator which a slaver was permitted to peacefully attend in a shuttle. He was not attacked. On the contrary, that pilot quietly gathered intelligence on the assembled freedom fighters and beamed the encrypted information to a waiting slaver fleet, which proceeded to warp in and attack, disrupting the protest.
You can be sure that the -MM- and RCS pilots' honor precluded them from doing something similar at your emperor's <spit> funeral.
So you prove my point. Unless you are saying you are too stupid to have learned your lesson? So, knowing the history of cease fires among you and CVA, you wouldn't still assume yourself to be safe would you? If you do, then we are not alike. I would never expect that.
Besides, if that CVA fleet had engaged a lone pilot one jump from pator while your little "protest" was going on, would you not have assumed the shuttle was gathering the intelligence he was and destroyed him? The two situations are not exactly the same now are they?
Either way you keep forgetting WE HAD NO CEASE FIRE. And again you relate us to a previous dealing you had with the CVA. It really amuses me every time you lot do that. I actually had a UK pilot whine to me a while ago that I killed him when he was only in our home system in an interceptor alone. I'm not sure what your arrangements with the CVA are, but don't think we will ever not shoot at our enemies.
I can't beleive I actually have to explain the fact that we shoot our enemies. That sort of thing's generally inherent in war, isn't it?
Originally by: Sith Marauder
It is not really my place to comment but I'm going to anyway. I had misunderstood the cease fire terms when I attended the memorial. I had assumed that the cease fire applied to all who attended and that all those who attended were expected to abide by it. I did not fire and was not fired upon, though prior to the event Darth Revenant did attempt to engage me.
Child, if you think I engaged you, you're more pathetic than I thought. Where I come from and engagement has to do with someone being shot at. In this case it would have meant your ship was destoryed as well. I'm not stupid enough to sacrifice my retribution to destroy such an insignificant person's insignificant ship.
Originally by: Sith Marauder
Given that many must have attended the memorial with those rules in mind and that CVA had offered a cease fire to allow many people of diverse cultures to gather in one place in relative safety, are CVA going to seek reparations for those who have plaed their trust in the CVA cease fire and had it so sorely abused?
Everyone who is complaining about AM's actions yesterday is either lying to themselves or admittedly mistaken. CVA never guaranteed anyone's safety, they merely had an agreement with a few individuals, which we chose to adopt. The notion of reparations is truly hysterical. I can guarantee CVA's laughing with me at that idea.
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Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2005.07.11 17:42:00 -
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For the record, I do recall the anti-slavery protest that took place in Pator, but I do not recall any ceasefire being agreed to by PIE.
And let us not forget that earlier protests had beens used as staging grounds for raids into Amarrian space.
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Lord Artemis
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Posted - 2005.07.11 17:48:00 -
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I really do enjoy these banters honestly. I took the time to research and lay out the facts so that there would be no confusion. Instead we get: "Oh yea, well what about something else that happened before that has nothing to do with the topic"
Darth has said it quite clearly. No pilots were shot at in Amarr. Our choice not rule. You were stupid enough to be in a shuttle almost an hour after the ceremony, away from Amarr. You got what you deserved. At first I thought maybe there was a misunderstanding throughout UK, now I see it is yet another attempt to whine and beg for sympathy from the public. I have posted the facts, you chose to ignore them. Consider this incident closed.
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Liski
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Posted - 2005.07.11 18:58:00 -
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Edited by: Liski on 11/07/2005 18:58:51
Please excuse my meddling in these matter that do not concern me, but I was paying close attention to my Galnet comset earlier this week and I have come across talks of cease fire between some of the envolved parties.
I only share this as a small gesture of help, for information purposes only, I do not take sides in this matter, although I have to say that I am not surprised by this turn of events.
The piece of information can be found here
Again, please excuse my meddling in affairs that is of no concern to me, I was just surprised that it hasn't come up in these discussions yet.
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Tano
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Posted - 2005.07.11 19:18:00 -
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Originally by: Pulgor
And where was this ship going? What were his intentions? Every ship at that ceramony was armed. This is enemy territory and a service for a prominent figure in the empire. We will bring whatever we wish to our own ceramony because we are on the same side and will not cause disruption to the emperors service. The Ushra'Khan does not have that same luxary and I'm fairly sure that our positions reversed, you would feel much the same way.
We do of course welcome this statement that recognises the facts on the ground. Amarr belongs to the Ushra'Khan and all CVA and AM pilots enter at their own risk.
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Graelyn
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Posted - 2005.07.11 19:28:00 -
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Tano, how does it feel being part of the problem?
Ushra'Khan, you only show your own disorganisation with your more honorable types sticking to a fragile undeclared ceasefire, while others brought war. You cannot disassociate your decisions with those made by others of your Alliance on mere whim.
It bit you in the ass.
You are publically outraged.
Our cause and why we fight our enemes is made more and more clear, without need for press releases and news.
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Sylvia Saint
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Posted - 2005.07.11 19:28:00 -
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Originally by: Gaius Kador
The CVA will extend a cease fire for the duration of the memorial, Sarkos.
However we can not guarantee your temporary neutrality should the Ushra'Khan dispatch a fleet with hostile intentions into Amarr Prime during said cease fire.
You understand this.
Liski dear, this was CVA offering chease fire, not the Aegis Militia
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Liski
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Posted - 2005.07.11 19:40:00 -
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Originally by: Sylvia Saint
Liski dear, this was CVA offering chease fire, not the Aegis Militia
I'm sorry, it seems I have confused you. I never stated that Aegis Militia had extended a cease fire.
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Tar Kovsky
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Posted - 2005.07.11 19:59:00 -
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Originally by: Graelyn
Ushra'Khan, you only show your own disorganisation with your more honorable types sticking to a fragile undeclared ceasefire, while others brought war. You cannot disassociate your decisions with those made by others of your Alliance on mere whim.
It bit you in the ass.
So what's your excuse?
In the first Aegis Militia story, you were justified in killing an unarmed pilot in a shuttle because your pilots were killed first.
In the second Aegis Militia story, you never agreed to a cease fire, you will always attack us on sight, and you only refrained from doing so at the memorial out of respect for the emperor spit!.
So make up your mind, already. Because if either argument is true, it renders the other irrelevant.
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Pulgor
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Posted - 2005.07.11 20:16:00 -
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Originally by: Tar Kovsky
So what's your excuse?
In the first Aegis Militia story, you were justified in killing an unarmed pilot in a shuttle because your pilots were killed first.
In the second Aegis Militia story, you never agreed to a cease fire, you will always attack us on sight, and you only refrained from doing so at the memorial out of respect for the emperor spit!.
So make up your mind, already. Because if either argument is true, it renders the other irrelevant.
And they both make yours irrelevent.
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Tano
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Posted - 2005.07.11 20:22:00 -
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Originally by: Graelyn
Tano, how does it feel being part of the problem?
Ushra'Khan, you only show your own disorganisation with your more honorable types sticking to a fragile undeclared ceasefire, while others brought war. You cannot disassociate your decisions with those made by others of your Alliance on mere whim.
It bit you in the ass.
You are publically outraged.
Our cause and why we fight our enemes is made more and more clear, without need for press releases and news.
I am not sure of your point. The Ushra'Khan is a broad group united in its loathing of slavery and those who perpetuate it. We often differ as to methods while we agree on the aim. As to last night while many of us disagreed with the stance taken by MM and RCS we chose to respect their decision by not disrupting the ceremony or enterring Amarr itself. No agreement in letter at least was reached as regarding other systems and we paid our respects to your emperor in our own way.
MM and RCS honoured their agreements as we did ours.
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Lord Artemis
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Posted - 2005.07.11 20:56:00 -
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"MM and RCS we chose to respect their decision by not disrupting the ceremony or enterring Amarr itself"
Kids this is a public service announcement to tell you that heavy drinking is not cool.
-MM & RCS were in Amarr
-Our initial response was simply to tell you why your members were hunted down like dogs, in whatever ship, after the ceremony
-Non-hostile members of UK at the ceremony were allowed to stay due to honor and respect to the Emporer and CVA which was decided by AM leaders.
Do not attempt to twist this thread to your liking or bring up past instances to justify your actions.
You started this useless post, we are providing fact and finishing it.
AM members: this is pointless and we have the facts available with proof. I request this banter be ceased and efforts focused on more important things.
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Aphoxema G
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Posted - 2005.07.11 21:16:00 -
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Aphoxema walk towards the microphone stand, holding something in her hand. When she reaches the microphone, she holds up the device and fingers it with her free hand, playing a recording of some kind of riot. She allows it to play a moment as she looks around impatiently before interrupting the recording.
SHUSH!
Aphoxema fumbles with the object, and the recording stops. She steps closer and presses her lips to the 'spit shield'...
I just wan'na say somethin'... Aegis Militia'an Curatores Veritatis Alliance're two different things.
Aphoxema looks around at the odd silence a moment
... That'is all.
Aphoxema presses at the device a moment, and a fanfare begins to play with the sound of many synthesized voices playing lines such as "We love you Phoxxie!" and "All hail ruler of the cool!"
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cold lazarus
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Posted - 2005.07.11 21:24:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Artemis
You started this useless post, we are providing fact and finishing it.
No I started the post and furthermore i stand by it you. by your own admission had NO pre arranged cease fire so your two ships where fair game as indeed was i after the memorial as no cease fire was arranged with you. what my point is your lowlife pilots shot an unarmed non hostile on his return trip to collect his ship after agreeing not to attend the memorial in a ship of war. so please spare the "we are inocent" act.
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Tar Kovsky
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Posted - 2005.07.11 22:04:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Artemis
"MM and RCS we chose to respect their decision by not disrupting the ceremony or enterring Amarr itself"
Kids this is a public service announcement to tell you that heavy drinking is not cool.
-MM & RCS were in Amarr
I think you need to read his message again. The "we" does not refer to -MM- and RCS; it refers to those factions of the U'K who vehemently disagreed with the decision by some to pay any respect whatsoever to the emperor spit!.
I think you'll find that there's broad agreement that there were members of -MM- and RCS in Amarr  , unarmed and in shuttles, and that these pilots held strictly to the agreed-upon cease fire.
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Tar Kovsky
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Posted - 2005.07.11 22:08:00 -
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Originally by: Aphoxema G
Aphoxema presses at the device a moment, and a fanfare begins to play with the sound of many synthesized voices playing lines such as "We love you Phoxxie!" and "All hail ruler of the cool!"
Very disturbing.... and yet not at all surprising. 
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Lord Artemis
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Posted - 2005.07.11 22:54:00 -
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Originally by: cold lazarus
Originally by: Lord Artemis
You started this useless post, we are providing fact and finishing it.
No I started the post and furthermore i stand by it you. by your own admission had NO pre arranged cease fire so your two ships where fair game as indeed was i after the memorial as no cease fire was arranged with you. what my point is your lowlife pilots shot an unarmed non hostile on his return trip to collect his ship after agreeing not to attend the memorial in a ship of war. so please spare the "we are inocent" act.
we aren't claiming innocence, we are simply stating reasons beyond the obvious. No ceasefire established (we all agree). If you are in a ship, be it a shuttle or battleship or pod you are hostile unless we decide otherwise (i.e. we decided not to shoot those at the ceremony). There was no whining for our ship loss. We simply acknowledged your loss and inserted the parts you left out for your boo-hoo parade.
What do you want? public sympathy? apologies? So far you have failed to come to a point, unlike the top of your head.
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Darth Revanant
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Posted - 2005.07.11 23:32:00 -
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Originally by: cold lazarus
Originally by: Lord Artemis
You started this useless post, we are providing fact and finishing it.
No I started the post and furthermore i stand by it you. by your own admission had NO pre arranged cease fire so your two ships where fair game as indeed was i after the memorial as no cease fire was arranged with you. what my point is your lowlife pilots shot an unarmed non hostile on his return trip to collect his ship after agreeing not to attend the memorial in a ship of war. so please spare the "we are inocent" act.
We never said our ships weren't fair game. And we never said we were innocent. Anyone flashing red on my overview is hostile. What ship they're in is irrelevant. Any other points of irrelevance?
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Shylan
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Posted - 2005.07.11 23:37:00 -
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Originally by: cold lazarus
Originally by: Lord Artemis
You started this useless post, we are providing fact and finishing it.
No I started the post and furthermore i stand by it you. by your own admission had NO pre arranged cease fire so your two ships where fair game as indeed was i after the memorial as no cease fire was arranged with you. what my point is your lowlife pilots shot an unarmed non hostile on his return trip to collect his ship after agreeing not to attend the memorial in a ship of war. so please spare the "we are inocent" act.
Cold Lazarus I was the one who killed your shuttle and podded you, you can carry on calling me all the names under the sun it don't bother me. We are at war remember, I respected you and your alliance mates at the ceremoney AFTER I had been killed by other members of your alliance. When I attacked you it was a good 50 minsor so after the ceremony had ended. So now you think you have grace to fly around the Empire and not be shot at just because your in a unarmed shuttle? Oh my how your naive.
If it had been me in the shuttle you wouldnt have thought twice about attacking me and dont deny it, so stop causing a fuss in public. Meet me in space and we can sort the problems out there. I will be waiting 
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Mac Knife
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Posted - 2005.07.12 00:50:00 -
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Well firstly you killed one ship and that was shylan's omen, of which after that we took down 1 af and 2 frigates and proceeded to pod one of them. We then left the area and went en-route to Istodard and found two shuttle pilots on the way. Now we blew you up because that is what you have done to us in the past. Be it shuttle or battleship we will attack you. Now i don't know what this crap is about a cease fire, afaik there was none between AM and Ushra'Khan. Now today when i was leaving Teonusude you blew up my unarmed shuttle, do you see me making a thread about it complaining? 
As far as i see it you engaged us in Sarum so we took revenge, simple as that, if you have a problem, leave it off these forums. This really didn't require a whole 3 pages
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Selena D'Kree
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Posted - 2005.07.13 14:09:00 -
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This isn't about the shuttle; it's about misunderstanding and miscommunication. All the information has been clearly laid out in the 3 pages before this. It's either people are still wanting to argue or they are that thick they are not getting it. Either way, I think this discussion is pointless and over.
Good day everyone.
Love,
Selly
It is not the path we chose but the direction in which we chose to travel upon it.
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