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Akturous Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel 71	Posted - 2013.01.31 10:39:00 - [1] - Quote So I've been inventing some t2 sentry drones for *** and giggles and according to Eve ISK/HR, the base runs on a bpc made using no decryptor is 10, but I only get out 1 run bpcs. I'm using 10 run t1 bpc's to invent from, so that shouldn't be a problem. Am I doing something wrong here, or is the base runs 1? Because for something like a drone that seems like a ** load of clicking for stuff all reward.
Bargain Bits Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 1	Posted - 2013.01.31 10:47:00 - [2] - Quote Akturous wrote: So I've been inventing some t2 sentry drones for *** and giggles and according to Eve ISK/HR, the base runs on a bpc made using no decryptor is 10, but I only get out 1 run bpcs. I'm using 10 run t1 bpc's to invent from, so that shouldn't be a problem. Am I doing something wrong here, or is the base runs 1? Because for something like a drone that seems like a ** load of clicking for stuff all reward. I believe you need to use a max run BPC to get the max runs on the T2 BPC (excluding ships). So for modules this is 300 and for ammo/drones 1500.
Akturous Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel 71	Posted - 2013.01.31 10:48:00 - [3] - Quote Bargain Bits wrote: Akturous wrote: So I've been inventing some t2 sentry drones for *** and giggles and according to Eve ISK/HR, the base runs on a bpc made using no decryptor is 10, but I only get out 1 run bpcs. I'm using 10 run t1 bpc's to invent from, so that shouldn't be a problem. Am I doing something wrong here, or is the base runs 1? Because for something like a drone that seems like a ** load of clicking for stuff all reward. I believe you need to use a max run BPC to get the max runs on the T2 BPC (excluding ships). So for modules this is 300 and for ammo/drones 1500. Oh really? That seems totally counter intuitive, but I'll try it. Thank you very much.
culo duro Federal Enslavement 4	Posted - 2013.01.31 13:03:00 - [4] - Quote If i recall correctly you get 10% of the total amount of runs, to your T2 BPC So let's say you make 300 runs you'll get 30, atleast that's what i recall. It may very well be worth it using Decryptors. http://games.chruker.dk/eve_online/invention_chance.php Getting -1 ME instead of -4 means you only have 20% waste instead of 50%.
Nuneval Lima Carrillo Research 0	Posted - 2013.01.31 13:23:00 - [5] - Quote The % of max invention runs you get is about the same as the % you put in. For example, if you use a 100% copies T1 BPC (1500 runs) you'll get a 10 run invention BPC. If you use a 100% copies T1 BPC for Drone Link Augmenters (300 runs) you'll still get a 10 run invention BPC.
Steve Ronuken Fuzzwork Enterprises 1116	Posted - 2013.01.31 15:09:00 - [6] - Quote The formula is: Invention Output Runs = MIN(MAX(ROUND_DOWN( (Input_T1_BPC_Runs / T1_Max_Runs_Per_Blueprint_Copy) * (T2_Max_Runs_Per_Blueprint_Copy / 10) + Decryptor_Runs_Bonus), 1), T2_Max_Runs_Per_Blueprint_Copy) For drones: T1_Max_Runs_Per_Blueprint_Copy is 1500 T2_Max_Runs_Per_Blueprint_Copy is 100 That should answer it. FuzzWork Enterprises http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/ Blueprint calculator, invention chance calculator, isk/m3 Ore chart-á and other 'useful' utilities.As well as mysql and CSV/XLS conversions of the Static Data Extract.
Akturous Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel 71	Posted - 2013.01.31 15:13:00 - [7] - Quote I don't think it's worth using decryptors, I've had a look at the isk/hr seems like there's no point. I use decryptors for things like panthers etc. I'm making some max run copies atm, so I'll try that, then I'll make one that's 100 runs to see if I get a 10 run t2 bpc out of it and post back. Cheers for the replies.
Elena Thiesant Sun Micro Systems 142	Posted - 2013.01.31 15:36:00 - [8] - Quote Akturous wrote: then I'll make one that's 100 runs to see if I get a 10 run t2 bpc out of it and post back. You won't. Invention Output Runs = MIN(MAX(ROUND_DOWN( (Input_T1_BPC_Runs / T1_Max_Runs_Per_Blueprint_Copy) * (T2_Max_Runs_Per_Blueprint_Copy / 10) + Decryptor_Runs_Bonus), 1), T2_Max_Runs_Per_Blueprint_Copy) So for drones with a 100 run T1 BPC and no decryptor: Invention Output Runs = MIN(MAX(ROUND_DOWN( (100 / 1500) * (100 / 10) ), 1), 100) = MIN(MAX( 0, 1), 100) = 1 For a 10 run T2 BPC, you need a max-run T1 copy, so 1500 runs for drones.
Emma Royd Maddled Gommerils 197	Posted - 2013.01.31 17:39:00 - [9] - Quote the standard non-decryptor invention job for items like drones, ammo etc is 10 run -4me -4pe if running off max run BPC's, some things I gather are different like rigs & ships, but I've not ventured that far into invention yet, I'm still working the basic stuff, so I'm a little unsure as to how they work, when I delve further into invention I'll do some more research.
Tau Cabalander Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs 1530	Posted - 2013.01.31 18:28:00 - [10] - Quote sigh It isn't rocket surgery. 1. Look at the T2 BPO. Type the name in chat and right-click auto-link it. Then click on the resulting name. Or look at a database explorer like this site. 2. Notice how many runs are on the T2 BPO. Divide that by 10. That's the max you will get via invention without a decrypter. 3. Look at how many runs are on your T1 BPC. If you have 50% of T1 max you will get 50% of the T2 BPC max.
Akturous Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel 71	Posted - 2013.02.01 04:25:00 - [11] - Quote Tau Cabalander wrote: 3. Look at how many runs are on your T1 BPC. If you have 50% of T1 max you will get 50% of the T2 BPC max. No where is that last bit listed in game anywhere mate, so keep your high horse out of here.
Toku Jiang Jiang Laboratories and Discovery 145	Posted - 2013.02.01 15:03:00 - [12] - Quote As an inventer I will break this down in simple terms. Ammo/Drones/Mods: Use max run T1 BPC - do not use decryptor - you will get 10 run T2 BPC -4 ME -4PE Ships: Use single run T1 BPC - use decryptor - you will get 1 run + decryptor adjustment Thats it you can take all the other maths and formulas and swallow them.
Akturous Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel 71	Posted - 2013.02.01 16:04:00 - [13] - Quote Cheers mate.
Dasola Rookie Empire Citizens Rookie Empire 140	Posted - 2013.02.01 23:04:00 - [14] - Quote Bargain Bits wrote: Akturous wrote: So I've been inventing some t2 sentry drones for *** and giggles and according to Eve ISK/HR, the base runs on a bpc made using no decryptor is 10, but I only get out 1 run bpcs. I'm using 10 run t1 bpc's to invent from, so that shouldn't be a problem. Am I doing something wrong here, or is the base runs 1? Because for something like a drone that seems like a ** load of clicking for stuff all reward. I believe you need to use a max run BPC to get the max runs on the T2 BPC (excluding ships). So for modules this is 300 and for ammo/drones 1500. Conforming this. You need max run tech1 bpc in order to have a shot for max run t2 bpc... With just 10 runs on t1 bpc, you will only get 1 run t2 bpc... [Insert something funny or smart here] Good lord has set me on path, sometimes im confused about what he wants from me. But path leads on, towards why he placed me on this wonderfull planet...
Emma Royd Maddled Gommerils 197	Posted - 2013.02.03 09:49:00 - [15] - Quote Akturous wrote: Tau Cabalander wrote: 3. Look at how many runs are on your T1 BPC. If you have 50% of T1 max you will get 50% of the T2 BPC max. No where is that last bit listed in game anywhere mate, so keep your high horse out of here. Heavy Capacitor Booster I Blueprint Copy Licenced Production Runs Remaining - 300 Max Runs Per Blueprint Copy - 300 Heavy Capacitor Booster II Blueprint - Right Click Show Info Max Runs Per Blueprint Copy - 100 Divide that by 10 to get the un-decryptor Max Runs per BPC = 10 Since I'm using a Max Run T1 BPC (300 Runs / 300 Max Runs) I will get a Max Run T2 BPC which is 10 runs. If I use a 150 run T1 BPC I will get a 5 run T2 BPC The information is there if you read what Tau wrote Tau Cabalander wrote: 2. Notice how many runs are on the T2 BPO. Divide that by 10. That's the max you will get via invention without a decrypter. So he can get back on his high horse, and you can get on your donkey and skulk out
Akturous Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel 71	Posted - 2013.02.03 11:47:00 - [16] - Quote Emma Royd wrote: Akturous wrote: Tau Cabalander wrote: 3. Look at how many runs are on your T1 BPC. If you have 50% of T1 max you will get 50% of the T2 BPC max. No where is that last bit listed in game anywhere mate, so keep your high horse out of here. Heavy Capacitor Booster I Blueprint Copy Licenced Production Runs Remaining - 300 Max Runs Per Blueprint Copy - 300 Heavy Capacitor Booster II Blueprint - Right Click Show Info Max Runs Per Blueprint Copy - 100 Divide that by 10 to get the un-decryptor Max Runs per BPC = 10 Since I'm using a Max Run T1 BPC (300 Runs / 300 Max Runs) I will get a Max Run T2 BPC which is 10 runs. If I use a 150 run T1 BPC I will get a 5 run T2 BPC The information is there if you read what Tau wrote Tau Cabalander wrote: 2. Notice how many runs are on the T2 BPO. Divide that by 10. That's the max you will get via invention without a decrypter. So he can get back on his high horse, and you can get on your donkey and skulk out Find me where it say's "divide the t2 bpo max runs by 10" in game...didn't think so.
Emma Royd Maddled Gommerils 197	Posted - 2013.02.03 12:18:00 - [17] - Quote It doesn't tell you how to post on the forum in game either, yet you still manage it. Invention isn't for those who don't do research, read forums, use google etc, short of a full blown tutorial in-game (difficult since you've got to have a few skills to do it) then I can't see what else the game can show you. That's why there's the wiki etc. Tau tells you to divide the max number of runs for the T2 BPO by 10 to get the max number of runs for a T2 BPC, now if you want to ignore the post by a successful industrialist then feel free. Invention isn't documented directly in game, but if you read the wiki it's mentioned in there [quote=wiki] Invention BPC Runs A successful Invention always results in a BPC with at least one run. Before decryptors are considered, ship and rig T2 BPCs have a base maximum of one run and most other items have a base maximum of ten runs. Some exceptions exist, such as Mobile Warp Disruptors, which have a base maximum of 5 runs. This maximum is modified by Decryptors as mentioned above. The number of runs on a BPC from a successful Invention is proportional to the number of runs on the input BPC divided by the maximum runs on the input BPC, which is then multiplied by 1/10 of the maximum runs of the output BPC type. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Invention
Akturous Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel 71	Posted - 2013.02.04 02:09:00 - [18] - Quote I thank the people here for the help, you'll notice I did listen to what people said, but I'm tired of CCP having no documentation on half it's game mechanics. I shouldn't have to post on the forums to find out basic game mechanics. The same thing happened when I wanted to know how much an unrefined moon product refined into, nothing in game, had to start a forum thread (or trust goons...)
Tauranon Weeesearch 120	Posted - 2013.02.04 08:50:00 - [19] - Quote Akturous wrote: I thank the people here for the help, you'll notice I did listen to what people said, but I'm tired of CCP having no documentation on half it's game mechanics. I shouldn't have to post on the forums to find out basic game mechanics. The same thing happened when I wanted to know how much an unrefined moon product refined into, nothing in game, had to start a forum thread (or trust goons...) Invention requires review of peer literature and/or experiments ? Who'd ever have thought that!
Steve Ronuken Fuzzwork Enterprises 1120	Posted - 2013.02.04 09:24:00 - [20] - Quote Akturous wrote: I thank the people here for the help, you'll notice I did listen to what people said, but I'm tired of CCP having no documentation on half it's game mechanics. I shouldn't have to post on the forums to find out basic game mechanics. The same thing happened when I wanted to know how much an unrefined moon product refined into, nothing in game, had to start a forum thread (or trust goons...) The wiki /is/ the documentation. And it's quite well covered in there. FuzzWork Enterprises http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/ Blueprint calculator, invention chance calculator, isk/m3 Ore chart-á and other 'useful' utilities.As well as mysql and CSV/XLS conversions of the Static Data Extract.

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