Clone grade upgrades needs to go out the door entirely. There's exactly zero gameplay benefits from having to remember to upgrade the silly little clone every time under penalty of risk losing skill points, which is nothing else but a cheap and underhanded mean to provide a way for things to go very wrong.

They have said they will, but we know not when.

Well if it's a rank 1 or 2 skill does it then realy matter? And well imo it you realy don't even need to train it if you don't want to. Sure it makes things cheaper for you but then again if you loose 1 pod a year then you realy don't need it. So it's more like a choice that "this is something I will need and I will train it" or "meh I will train more gunho' skills and pay more" or something like that. The player is eventualy the one deciding does he want to train it. And again rank 1 or 2. plus you don't need to train everything to lvl5 always

You get to retain 100% of those skill points for your 20mil. You could buy cheaper clones and sacrifice a few SP's or you can go to empire space and fight there when you get the urge to fight in a small ship.

I do actually agree with you that the "free" skill points coming up this summer suck. I don't want my char to have 6 million more SP's and the same abilities because of clone costs. It would be much nicer if CCP just stripped BC and Destroyer from all characters and gave appropriate points refunds for them. So people could buy the racial destroyers / BC's they want along with a few skills they want and not have to pay the clone cost for ship skills that they don't want. Seems to me that would be easier to code as well, but who knows how the server would handle that sort of thing.



I love this, maybe it is insulting because you failed to build a character appropriate for its intended purpose. Maybe its meant to be insulting. Your char paid 2 million per clone at some point, then 3, then 7.8 million! Wow, thats getting expensive, and I can't even use all those skill on a combat pilot? Hmm maybe I should start training one of my other chars up and think about this for a while? Hell with it, 13 mil!!! well I guess I will just be careful now...and keep training wahoo.

You made a mistake in character development. In Eve when you make mistakes you pay for them, other players are there to make sure of it because they have something to gain from your loss. Clone costs are no different.

I'm not your "Bro" and you may disagree with my reply, or perhaps you just don't like it, that's OK.

You are asking for a limitation to be removed just because you don't like dealing with it. Some people don't like dealing with bubbles, or gate camps, or ECM, or faction standing repair, or ship replacement costs / time, or grinding ISK. Some people don't like dealing with groups of people and yet many things in Eve cannot be accomplished by one person acting alone.

Eve is a place where the challenge comes from competing against other players. That competition extends far beyond the realm of FPS, there are many paths to victory. If the clone cost limitation is lifted from high SP characters those characters will have a significant advantage that they did not posses before. Freedom to operate wherever and in whatever ship they want to without having to consider loss of their clone.

I get that you "just want to hang with your friends in your favorite clone or whatever." But other players are here to fight, and to destroy one another if possible, that is what makes Eve great. This is a competitive game, not a chat room in space. The risk, the fact that you are playing against others who want to win as much as you do, and that there are many ways to win; is what sets Eve apart, what makes it a great game.

So being able to adapt better and faster to the tactical situation is not a significant tactical advantage? One that is perhaps tempered by the risk to an expensive clone. And those costs don't add up enough to influence war strategy. That's what you are saying here?



Calling me "Bro" a second time is just trolling, it doesn't bother me or change my position at all. It does sort of splice together with the other strands of yourself here; logical fallacy, misspelling, baiting and inflammatory language. These traits go right along with petulant whining of children who can't be bothered to reach for a toy that they desire. Are you sure that you want to be the spokesman for your side of this argument?

I have listed many reasons why clone costs are an important part of balancing powerflation. That you have not read them or do not understand them is of little consequence.

The only time I do that is to move my cyno guys around and they are all alpha clones. The perceived problem of death cloning everywhere for total power projection is largely exaggerated. It's useless to death clone if you don't also have the ship you need over there. A civilian miner and a railgun won't do much for you. eh? Those who do have tons of ships everywhere did put much time, effort, and ISK into it. They can have a slice of cake, no?

The real crux of the issue here is the cost of clones. The upcoming skill tree changes will push this guy into the 20 millions ISK per death. Why should I be penalized that much for being "old"? There is only so many skillpoints that can affect a given ship in space anyway...

That space poor people make me laugh.
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