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Roark
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Posted - 2003.07.15 00:01:00 -
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We are selling 10 Apocalypse Battleships for 1.15 billion ISK or 5 for 600 million ISK. This Amarr Battleship is arguably the best available - the only one with 8 turrets (+2 launchers). There is no better mining ship and there is no ship that can deal more damage per second.
Some corps have a lot of cash and not much minerals -- they would rather buy a ton of battleships than have to deal with the headache of mining for many battleships. Here at Taggart we are glad to take that headache away buy offering 10+ battleship package deals. Not everyone just buys one battleship at a time, so we do try to attend to every type of customer.
Contact Roark in game if you are interested. I also have a huge stock of Mega Beam Lasers (large for battleships) and I will beat any price, as usual. Thank you.
Roark
Taggart Transdimensional, Inc.
www.taggarttd.com
Roark - Taggart Transdimensional - www.taggarttd.com |
Tehel Necrona
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Posted - 2003.07.15 00:08:00 -
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/me empty's his wallet...
damn need another 1.1bill...
/me trots off to Akston
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Sabahl
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Posted - 2003.07.15 01:18:00 -
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Just to note, TerraDyne Syndicate are selling Tempests for an ISK price of 110 mil ISK, less for bulk orders.
But I am sure Apocalypses are very nice ships as well.
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Roark
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Posted - 2003.07.15 13:44:00 -
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Yes they are nice ships, thanks.
Roark - Taggart Transdimensional - www.taggarttd.com |
dynamite
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Posted - 2003.07.15 14:23:00 -
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What a great deal! I have 1.1 billion in my back pocket here you go! LOL
Even if we had 1.1 billion dont you think they would buy the BP instead of buying bulk Battleships for their corp?
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Bad Harlequin
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Posted - 2003.07.15 16:38:00 -
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I believe he mentioned his target market are those who do not feel like mining and producing 10 bships on their own... especially for corps with few or no industry specialists i.e. mercs, it's a good plan.
Of course it's all likely to go to pirates anyway =8)
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Fuffel
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Posted - 2003.07.15 22:18:00 -
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funny thing is, that i tried to buy a apoc from tti 2 days ago and they kept my man waiting for 4h (building time) then the salesman loged of and told him to comeback the other day and after that 16h he was told that the bp is away for research (another 2 days)
and now you are offering 10???
funny corp! :( lost more than 20m because you put my man out of buisiness 80 jumps away for over 20h and send him home without a ship. very professional! |
Roark
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Posted - 2003.07.16 01:20:00 -
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Taggart has many copies of the Apocalypse BP, and the "corp" does not sell the ship nor own the BPs. Individuals own the BPs. A collection of us have gotten together to offer them in bulk orders now.
You must have been dealing with someone in particular (me perhaps?) that was out of stock at the time. There are plenty now, as can be seen, if you are still interested.
This was surprising to hear because we make it a point never to disappoint any customer or let our prices be beat. Good luck to you guys.
Roark - Taggart Transdimensional - www.taggarttd.com |
Fuffel
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Posted - 2003.07.16 08:53:00 -
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this "individual stuff" is a nice thing, so it basically means tti is out of responsibility for any action of its members?
I had a deal with a corp, i thought was trustworthy.
Even though 100m may be peanuts for tti, thats absolutly no way to treat a costumer.
ever bought a mercedes that cant be delivered in time? do they tell you to return in three days? try your luck elsewhere? and dont answer the phone? cos you made an individual deal with one of their individual salesmans?
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Calladen Nimitz
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Posted - 2003.07.16 09:07:00 -
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Fuffel,
If you'd kindly provide the name of the person who did this to your buyer we will be happy to address the matter. You can e-mail the name to me at the address below.
Thank you,
Calladen Nimitz
TTI Executive
[email protected]
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Roark
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Posted - 2003.07.16 17:01:00 -
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Okay I have figured out the situation, and I can now make a recommendation that no Taggart MFC (Most Favored Corporations) should ever do business with Fuffel or his corporation, Cataclysm Enterprises, again.
Apparently Fuffel had talked to one of our Apocalypse builders, John Galt, who informed him the BP was in research and he could not personally build one for a few days. On top of that John Galt got sick and was unable to answer in-game communication for a few days.
After Fuffel's posts on this board, one of TTI's executives, Calliden, contacted me to see if I would honor John Galt's deal while he was sick. I said of course and began chatting with Fuffel in game.
As can been seen from the conversation below, Fuffel was completely irrational, rude, and generally, a bad businessman. I was willing to do whatever I could, as usual, to make sure we had a happy customer. Apparently so solution other than complaining about the past could remedy the situation.
Fuffel > so you didnt read the eve fotums?
Fuffel > i posted there
Fuffel > forums
Fuffel > because, i already had a deal with tti
Roark > Oh you received a reply from Calliden right?
Fuffel > yes
Fuffel > and i tried to explain the matter
Roark > You had something going on with John Galt? He has only logged on for about 30 mins in the last 4 days...he has been very sick
Roark > but I can honor his deal.
Fuffel > would be nice...oh and this i didnt know..hope he gets well soon
Fuffel > somebody should hv told me..woul hv ben no problem then..this way i lost 80m at least..:(
Fuffel > ok, where can my man pick up the ship?
Roark > Yes I don't really know if you had valid reason to question the integrity of the entire corporation in the public forums. Another batch will be ready in 18 hours for you though.
Roark > I am in Malk V Moon 1 and this is where I am building
Fuffel > i lost a valuable member for almost 20h because of some communication problem from your side..is was upset
Fuffel > i was..
Fuffel > he¦s bringing in 500 bistot 30min..you do the math
Roark > Sorry for the inconvenience but sometimes the exchange of a 140 million ISK ship can be problematic when the builder is away for whatever reason
Roark > What is the nature of this deal? I read ### mil I think?
Fuffel > yes
Roark > And what is this thing about the bistot I have no idea?
Fuffel > hes bhauling bistot for our corp..so 20h out of buisness is abd for a small corp..:(
Fuffel > bad
Fuffel > this ship is now ###m for me...just because nobody could give me a valide date and place..thats unprofessional
Roark > So when he picks up is he paying ### mil ISK or bistot + isk? You understand my confusion.
Fuffel > lol..no
Fuffel > he coul have worked..but your man keept him waiting
Fuffel > first 4h then 15h then 2 days
Fuffel > well of course he didnt waited 2 days at that station :)
Roark > Look I understand that Galt kept him waiting, but that doesn't help me figure out how to make things better now. Just explain to me the plan. Apocs will be ready in about 18 hours.
Fuffel > k
Fuffel > cant you simply set up a courier mission?
Fuffel > only for my corp, over the right amount?
Roark > A courier mission for what?
Roark > Why can't you just PvP trade with me like all my other customers?
Fuffel > i really dont understand how your corp works..if i sold a magathron and run out of stock...i would step out of mine and wait myself..
Roark > I have already done that -- I already sold my personal Apoc to another customer.
Fuffel > i can..its just...we lost 4 days trying to trade with tti
Roark > I am in a maller now waiting till I can get the next batch done for customers first then myself
Roark > What do you want me to do? Create a time machine? All of this stuff you are telling me is not helping the situation
Fuffel > no, but if 250ppl cant find a solution, how should i? :)
Fuffel > we are in diffrent time-zones
Fuffel > 18h from now, im at work
Fuffel > so it¦ll be another 24h
Roark > Okay just tell me what you want. All you are doing is telling me about past problems. I have told you the simple fact that there will be an apoc ready in 18 hours.
Roark > Now have you paid John Galt anything yet? And if not, I assume you are bringing ### mil ISK for a PvP trade (either you or someone else)?
Fuffel > shure
Fuffel > 1 bought this ship 3 days ago, unlike your understanding of a del...if i say deal i mean: i have the money and the other side has the stuff and vice vera
Fuffel > not you personally
Roark > Okay so that is what I am asking! You already paid him ### million ISK?
Roark > Just please answer this is like pulling teeth
Fuffel > no
Roark > okay just tell me the deal then
Fuffel > the deal is i get a ship 3 ******* days ago!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Fuffel > bye mister
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Roark - Taggart Transdimensional - www.taggarttd.com |
Falnaerith
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Posted - 2003.07.16 17:27:00 -
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I think fuffle is depriving a village somewhere of their idiot. gg
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Nexus VI
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Posted - 2003.07.16 19:49:00 -
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"Fuffel > no, but if 250ppl cant find a solution, how should i? :) "
lol! omg...wow. and he hadn't even paid for it yet? incredible. i love people who try to bend time and space based on whim.
Hey ragnar, if you DO get that time machine BP ill go in on a partnership w\ ya.
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MrPops
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Posted - 2003.07.16 19:52:00 -
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Classic case of a difficult customer. The customer is NOT always right, is all I have to say.
"The human species suffers from a dimensional limitation. They are not able to understand that matter and mind are just one aspect of something more fundamental. We must strive to expand our perspective so we can see what our true reality is."
Deep toughts by Mr.Pops, while consuming large quantities of Blue Pill and staring at the EVE gate in Genesis.
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Fuffel
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Posted - 2003.07.16 22:59:00 -
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ok...thx for the cut to the bone translation.
fact is: i had a deal 3 days ago about a bs from tti
fact is: they are giving me the 4th reason for any delay
and no, i dont want to do buisiness with anybody who cant deliver
if you are sending someone of your corp 50 jumps to simply pick up something that was made a deal about and are told on arrival to wait 4h...after 4h told to come back tommorrow..after that told the bp is in ressearch for another 2 days...and after a lot of emails and after i found this thread to wait another 18h...
what would you do?
fact is: i was trying for 3 **** days to get the advertised bs out of tti - to no avail
and roark...next time if you quote me...plz. be so kind and post the thing completly!
a 250 member corp with lots of bp¦s and your telling your costumers to wait 18h?
and thats another 18h...maybe you should leave a station some day and start to mine :)
my lousy 20 active members will bring in the needed minerals in half the time.
so, if you find anybody, whom i left 3 days waiting for anything i sold, you may call me the village idiot...hehe
and now i know it¦s the money, not the given word that counts for you - different ways to play the game, me thinks.
i would work my ass of for anything my corp members promised.
You can¦t take your isk with you - thats missing in your phantastic philosopy.
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Roark
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Posted - 2003.07.17 00:14:00 -
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The BP is in research so none can be made.
I assure you the delay is not a case of laziness, lack of minerals, or lack of organization. It is simply a matter of selling out stock while the BP is in a 4 day research cycle. This has been explained many times now.
I am seriously done responding to you because this has taken up the my valuable time.
Edited by: Roark on 17/07/2003 00:17:48
Roark - Taggart Transdimensional - www.taggarttd.com |
Fuffel
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Posted - 2003.07.17 02:09:00 -
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post deleteted: this will lead to nowhere and isn¦t really such a big deal
Edited by: Fuffel on 17/07/2003 05:37:33 |
Neptunus
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Posted - 2003.07.17 02:41:00 -
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Please go away Fluffle. It looks like Roark has bent over backwards to try to be helpful. Why should he care about your problems. He is there to get you an Apocalypse; not to listen to you complain about aspects that neither he nor his corp-mates could control.
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DREAMWORKS
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Posted - 2003.07.17 05:46:00 -
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I do get fuffel his part of story:
- His corp mate was told he could come and pick up a battleship, if you make such a deal you sure as hell care to have 1 on stock.
- After his corp mate arived there after 40 jumps, he was told to wait, till the seller logged off. Then he was told there was none on stock and he had to wait till the research was done.
- He tried to do buisness with you guys and showed he was not pleased with the situation, you asked for an explanation yourself.
I dont really get why TTI wont do buisness with him anymore since you were the guys who made his corporation member wait an insane long time. Anyone pulling my leg for more than 30 minutes gets an immidiate block from me (yes i do warn before that to arange the stuff.).
You as a seller have an obligation to deliver your goods if you said you have them, if you dont, you get this kind of bad advertizing. Please do realize that there are more people who sell apocalypse, or people who will become a seller.
The deal you offer sounds ok and fair enough, and maybe one day i might turn to TTI for my personal battleship. Im sure you guys wouldnt let such a situation happen again? ;)
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Roark
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Posted - 2003.07.17 07:02:00 -
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The deal was originally done by John Galt, who as I said got sick and was offline for 4 days. Upon hearing about it, I was happy to oblige the deal, but the BP was stuck in research so I told him he would have to wait because I was personally sold out. Now our supply levels are okay once again and John Galt is feeling better and back online.
Things like this happen a lot in online gaming groups (one guy goes offline for whatever reason). I told Fuffel I would honor the deal and use my own inventory ASAP, in 18 hours from then, an option that was not acceptable, for whatever reason I still cannot deduce.
Edited by: Roark on 17/07/2003 07:04:27
Roark - Taggart Transdimensional - www.taggarttd.com |
Fuffel
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Posted - 2003.07.17 08:24:00 -
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Roark, plz lets settle this thing via private mail and i am sorry for my rude behavior at the end of the chat.
- i had a deal with John Galt
- i renewed this deal with calladen (who told me you have one in stock for me)
and even said ok to the 18h delay at the begining of our chat...
so this "whats the deal?" of yours caught my on the wrong foot - i honestly was a little upset at that moment.
one another note - why should nobody do any trade with me ever again??
juhu. remember? i was the guy with the money in his pocket, who sat in one of your offices! ;)
to some of the other replies: from what solarsystem are you folks?
Since when is it the problem of the costumer when the seller runs out of stock?
"Fuffel > no, but if 250ppl cant find a solution, how should i? :) "
lol! omg...wow. and he hadn't even paid for it yet? incredible. i love people who try to bend time and space based on whim."
sorry, my englsih is not that good. this was meant as a little hint:
mistakes can happen, like forgetting somebody with 140m for me is dockin in the next hour or losing 1-2 battleships in your personal hangar.
If i sold something and forgot to check if my corp still owns it, i would:
a.) try to purchase it on the market - even if this means i am actually loosing money
b.) take it from my personal assets
c.) ask my corp members or friends in other corps
Might be just me, but i would do everything possible to not let my costumer walk away with empty hands.
Makes me a bad salesman? I would choose loosing some isk over known as not thrustworthy anytime.
Edited by: Fuffel on 17/07/2003 08:27:23
Edited by: Fuffel on 17/07/2003 08:33:48
Edited by: Fuffel on 17/07/2003 08:34:55 |
Fuffel
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Posted - 2003.07.17 08:25:00 -
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double...
Edited by: Fuffel on 17/07/2003 08:28:45 |
DREAMWORKS
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Posted - 2003.07.17 13:06:00 -
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Well goodluck to both of you solving this mather.
Does TTI offer mineral trade deals too? And if so can you mail me the ammount of minerals i have to supply if i want a Apo?
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Falnaerith
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Posted - 2003.07.17 14:32:00 -
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Next time you see him, pod him, then he won't be able to use a bs or need to buy one. Problem solved ;) j/k btw if you're too stupid to figure that out.
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Fuffel
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Posted - 2003.07.17 16:13:00 -
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to tell you a sad thing...
the guy who waited for his apocalypse is in YZ-LQL right now
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=20396
he¦s still in an industrial and not what i would call happy!
Edited by: Fuffel on 17/07/2003 16:14:22
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DeathMan
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Posted - 2003.07.18 15:36:00 -
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Whoopie
Its a simple matter if you can't see it. Guy A was sick so he couldn't come in the game for the deal. So in otherwords bet Guy A was in bed because of this and didn't want to get on the computer because hes sick.
Now your guy was ****ed that he had to wait (well **** i've lost 40-50mil isk on deals that went wrong oh well suck it up its a game damnit). Now you talk with Guy B that doesn't have access to Guy A's items at all has nothing to do with original transaction and has the BP but in research for his own use now.
Guy B tries to deal with you then well, but you just ****ed off that you lost some money and time. Then again there are plenty of other dealers out there that are willing to sell apocs for the price to. Saves you the trip to TTI and also you get ships right away. Im at work now but if I can remeber correct 2-4 other corps are selling Apocs.
What I call you is a poor buyer. Yes TTI might have deals for you to get a ship cheaper but then again would you pay another 10mil ontop of that ship to get it ASAP instead of waiting for a hours or days since your loosing sooo much money over this?
Deathman
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Blackship Industries
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Neve Lucelli
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Posted - 2003.07.18 18:33:00 -
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If our corporation had free advertising in the Prima Online Dtrategy Guide, we would be able to afford buying the stuff off you Taggart.
No wonder you are doing so well - not run by game insiders are you?
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Nephlite
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Posted - 2003.07.18 22:00:00 -
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I think it comes all back to the corp in the end. I can see both sides of the story. However much TTI may be in the right its still bad pratice to **** off people, even difficult customers.
We(CNX) had a customer who was promised a Scorp by a set time. He logged in with his minerals+isk and ready but we had mistakenly sold the scorp made for him to another. He got very ****ed/verbal and logged off.
Instead of attacking him or ignoring him we sent an email explaining how sorry we were. We further promised him a discount on the order, 4 large battleship guns of his choice and several other things. Eventually he came around and we did sell him the scorpion.
As I understand it he plans to come back and purchase other battleships from us. Its all in how you handle your customer and taking responsiblity as a corp for the pratices of the people who represent it.
Edited by: Nephlite on 18/07/2003 22:00:41
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Nootami
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Posted - 2003.07.19 04:25:00 -
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Its hard for me to squeeze sense from fuffel's side of that conversation either.
From what I understand fuffel (or one of his employees) wanted a ship.
John Galt was sick for awhile and thus was unable to make the deal. No one's to blame here, certainly not TTI, he got sick.
Calladen stepped in to close the deal, asking Roark to provide fuffel with a battleship. Roark agreed but was unable to since the blueprint was put into research. Once again not TTI's fault, seeing as how the BP was probably put into research before Calladen asked Roark to make one.
Fuffel brings up that he lost 80M because one of HIS guys wasnt bringing in Bistot. If anyone wants to tell me how Roark's being unable to make a battleship OR John Galt being sick had anything to do with this, please enlighten me. He then mentions he lost 4 days trading with TTI. What were you doing during those 4 days Fuffel? Certainly not trading with TTI?
Fuffel says - "1 bought this ship 3 days ago, unlike your understanding of a del...if i say deal i mean: i have the money and the other side has the stuff and vice vera"
Were you drunk? I think Roark knows what a deal is. I have talked to him before. If you didnt pay in advance (which is a stupid thing to do unless dealing with a trustworthy corp, in this case i'll let it slide) you didnt "buy" a ship (seeing as how you have no ship). Then you proceed to question Roark's knowledge of a deal. Insulting a seller isnt going to help you get what he is selling.
So if you want to reply to me and explain what you are trying to accomplish, without so much runaround, im all ears.
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