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Herko Kerghans
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Posted - 2005.07.12 04:55:00 -
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The skill description says:
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Skill at promoting your product effectively. Each level increases a remote sell orderĘs radius of effect from origin.
AFAIK the description is wrong, it affects BUY orders, not sell orders. I'm sure, I use it a lot, and from time to time the question crops here and gets the same answer.
Yet it seems that patch after patch, the description does not get changed.
So, question: am I wrong and the skill does indeed work as inteded?
If yes, could somebody from CCP please confirm?
If no, could somebody from CCP please correct the description? Or failing that, where/how should this be reported?
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Triq
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Posted - 2005.07.12 06:02:00 -
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Akilah Ashaki
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Posted - 2005.07.12 07:45:00 -
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Edited by: Akilah Ashaki on 12/07/2005 07:48:22
I'm with you Herko 
EDIT : I submitted a bug report about this but never heard back of it.
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Herko Kerghans
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Posted - 2005.07.12 08:09:00 -
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Originally by: Akilah Ashaki
I'm with you Herko
Trader power FTW!!
Originally by: Akilah Ashaki
EDIT : I submitted a bug report about this but never heard back of it.
I know!
That's why I posted this question... Seems that tomorrow (wednesday) there is a minipatch to correct some of the bug, and the description of some of the new skills will get corrected... but nobody ever touches visibility so  ...
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TheDrinker
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Posted - 2005.07.12 09:03:00 -
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ok, let me tell you ...
the effects of "marketing" skill and "visibility" skill are exchanged (marketing does what visibility should, and vice versa, despite the info/description)
I figured this out several months ago, and i posted several bug reports and "chatted" with devs through "ask a question". In that time i also reported a lot of other bugs (many of them were/are market related).
After a month of bug-reporting and seeing nothing is being done, even after 2 patches, i just gave up and decided not to bug report anymore, coz it dissapointed me.
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Herko Kerghans
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Posted - 2005.07.12 14:44:00 -
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Originally by: TheDrinker
ok, let me tell you ...
the effects of "marketing" skill and "visibility" skill are exchanged (marketing does what visibility should, and vice versa, despite the info/description)
Hum... for the record: i believe you are wrong. Perhaps when you trained them they worked differently, but i trained them some two months ago and marketing works as described for sure. Visibility is the one with a failed description.
Anyway, the point still stands: description ain't right.
Just wish CCP aknowledged if the problem is that the description is wrong (as in, the skill works as intendend and the description should be changed), or the description is right and the skill will be changed some day in the future to match the description.
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Harisdrop
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Posted - 2005.07.12 15:42:00 -
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Hahahaha I was here for the castor patch where these skills where introduced.
They are not working fully and they probally wont. Consider the avg player having to be forced to buy the best visibility price 6 jumps away even when a non trader has a better priced locally in station. The devs will not do this! Does the visibility skill over ride non-traders in station thru direct sell orders???? I believe there should be no detail of orders unless you have the visibilty skill and you can see detail for the same range and thats direct or remote!
Procurment is the hardest skill to get working cause it assumes your chartacter can pick what station to place the order in based on the skill range. I would think you would pickthru the map.
Just remember that the trade skill set has been and always will be busted!
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Ki Shodan
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Posted - 2005.07.12 16:02:00 -
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Originally by: Harisdrop
They are not working fully and they probally wont. Consider the avg player having to be forced to buy the best visibility price 6 jumps away even when a non trader has a better priced locally in station. The devs will not do this! Does the visibility skill over ride non-traders in station thru direct sell orders???? I believe there should be no detail of orders unless you have the visibilty skill and you can see detail for the same range and thats direct or remote!
the name of visibility is misleading, the description not!
every one can see your orders! no matter how you have set them up.
however a remote order is affected by Visibility:
if you set up a remote buy order, you can only choose the range up to your Visibilityrange. eg. Visibility at level 3 means for a remote buy order 10 or less jumps "Radius of Effect", not 20 (level 4) or regionwide (level 5)
if you setup the order in the same station you can use up to region, without any skill.
Visibility is a skill for people, that never want to dock and leave there pod.
however an official tutorial on "WTF do the trade-skills do?" is needed badly!
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Xirxes
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Posted - 2005.07.12 19:51:00 -
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TheDrinker
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Posted - 2005.07.12 23:36:00 -
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Originally by: Herko Kerghans
Originally by: TheDrinker
ok, let me tell you ...
the effects of "marketing" skill and "visibility" skill are exchanged (marketing does what visibility should, and vice versa, despite the info/description)
Hum... for the record: i believe you are wrong. Perhaps when you trained them they worked differently, but i trained them some two months ago and marketing works as described for sure. Visibility is the one with a failed description.
huh, im sorry i mistyped, i didnt mean "marketing" but "procurement" skill, sorry  . I tried it once with a GM and he confirmed what i said (tho the devs did not fix it).
Now i have visibility at lvl 2 and procurement at lvl 4, and i can place remote orders with range up to 10j (i should be able to put them up to 40j, with skill on lvl4) and i checked ... my sell orders are visible up to 40j (in fact ... over the entire region, but they should be only up to 10j, with skill on lvl 2).
I learned the skills some months ago too, 3 or 4, dunno exactly. And i know i tested their effects while increasing the skill lvl, so im quite sure what im talking about 
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mylridia
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Posted - 2005.07.29 13:54:00 -
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My problem with the description isn't whether it refers to buy orders or sell orders. It's this: "Each level increases a remote sell order's radius of effect from origin".
I know that when I place a sell order from a station, it is visible throughout the region. (At least I *think* I know this!  ) What this description suggests is that if I were to place a REMOTE sell order, it would NOT be visible throughout the entire region unless I had this skill up to L5.
AFAIK, this is the only skill to deal with the visibility of an order - buy OR sell. All of the other "distance" type of skills pertain to how far away from the order-point you are allowed to be.
The description seems horribly out of place in the context of the other skills, which just adds to the confusion IMO.
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Trit
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Posted - 2005.07.29 14:34:00 -
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Edited by: Trit on 29/07/2005 14:35:05
Reader beware.
There are a lot of people that try to sow confusion about the trade skills. I'm not going to clarify here - but be weary of people that say "I talked to a GM" or otherwise try to obfuscate the usefullness of tradeskills.
In their defence it makes sense - it eliminates competition.
I would point out multiple examples in this thread, but although I choose not to blantantly lie about how the trade skills work, I'm happy to see people working it out for themselves and not relying on crap posts (like every other profession).
Blaze a trail - make the money.
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