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Saladin
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Posted - 2003.07.15 01:35:00 -
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This post is meant as a warning to those who think Setec's corp, Space Invaders, are honorable pirates.
One of my corp members was stopped by a Space Invader blockade in EWOK-K and 3 million isk was demanded as a passage fee. He paid the fee and they still opened fire on him. Frankly, you'd expect such behavior from m0o or some of the other pirate corps, but Setec always came here to the boards claiming that anyone who paid the passage fee would not be harmed. Him and his corp were hailed as 'fair' pirates.
This post is not meant to issue threats, flame or whine, but to expose the facts. Now you know the truth.
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The preceding post was made shortly after the incident when all the facts had not come to light. I have chosen to not edit the original text so as to preserve the history and continuity of the thread.
In the interest of full disclosure, I declare the following:
1) My corp mate lost connection, and at the time the connection was lost his structure was at 50%. When he came back on he logged in the with an alt to tell us what happened we assumed the worst.
2) The ship was not destroyed, they saw it fit to spare it after discovering that they had indeed received payment.
3) SI and the Gang deny any liability in this incident and maintain that since payment was given to a person other than the 'negotiater' then it still is ENTIRELY the victim's fault.
4) I'm glad I made this post because without it Molly wouldn't have nervously rushed to convo me to tell me the ship was spared.
5) I still maintain that my friend did not do anything wrong, and consider the act to be worse than attacking someone without asking for payment, or pod killing for laughs.
Edited by: Saladin on 17/07/2003 15:48:08 |
Zaphod Robotnik
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Posted - 2003.07.15 01:38:00 -
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Well, if you are dealing with pirates, you've got to expect a little bit of skullduggery now and again...
Unfortunate, but such is the way of life.
:P
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Zaphod "Zaprobo" Robotnik
President, Royal Communication Department
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.07.15 01:54:00 -
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I must concur with both the first and second comments with equal weight. For the record I have always found Setec and his "highwaymen" most charming and amusing rogues ... but one must never forget that one is dealing with blaggards and cutpurses fundimentally. There is no "romance" of the spacelanes that makes losing a cargo or suffering predation more pleasant ... though in truth, a jaunty quip and well rehersed comedic gesture of humanity and mirth do somewhat soften the blow mayhap at times.
Still, pirates are pirates, and ultimately the responsibility falls upon those with means to excercise such sanction as they chose to answer the affront to their dignity and pockets!
I for example, saw a corpmate podded and was myself shot at repeatedly by the Space Invader blockade at Ewok-k ... glad I didn't stop to negotiate in retrospect!
But what the hey ... eve is hardly a prayer circle or victims anonymous group!
I'll make public offer of 2.5million isk in exchange for the frozen corpse of Molly of the Space Invaders; I do believe the resleeved clone of my late lamented friend Ragadude would appreciate the gesture a little.
And Molly my dear, like I said, its nothing personal ... just business ; I did enjoy our chat and look forward to continuing our discourse through the medium of your next clone!
So m'dears, which brave boy is going to take up the gauntlet and earn the thanks and fine regard of this Gallente maiden?
I'm sure the ISK will not be of vital importance to the paladins of just and appropriate vengeance so pledged ... but ; ah well, I'll keep it handy nonetheless!
Kind Regards
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Kaleb
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Posted - 2003.07.15 02:02:00 -
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Unfortunately do to the nature of gate camping, Molly is an expert at fleeing the scene of a battle. Just lastnight she was the first to flee when we broke their blockade @ EWOK-K.
There needs to be a way for honest space faring players to actually get some form of retribution from jumpgate blockades. Maybe someone will get lucky and get you that corpse, but I doubt it will be any time soon.
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Molly
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Posted - 2003.07.15 02:06:00 -
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Today only 2 customers paid us.
One did log off after he paid the wrong of our gang. Next time make sure you pay the one you are negotiating with. He was in a Stabber and we did not desotroy it.
And we did not destroy anyone who paid our passage fee.
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"Molly > funny thing is, if they warn me for attacking in 1.0, why does a GM wish me luck doing so?
Jash Illian > perverse sense of humor?
Molly > lol
Jash Illian > honestly tho, because he prolly doesn't know bships" |
QBall
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Posted - 2003.07.15 02:08:00 -
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Yah he didn't get blown up, plus he was right around the 2 minute time for log out before he finally got around to actually paying. Otherwise he wouldn't have even gotten shot at.
Get the fact's strait first then post.
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"OMG IT'S TRAMMEL 2.0!!!!"
-QBall
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Violation
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Posted - 2003.07.15 02:09:00 -
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Get your facts straight before moaning next time, we did not destroy any ship that paid us.
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Viceroy
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Posted - 2003.07.15 02:11:00 -
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Our friend Saladin is painting his own picture of the event. The stabber was held up and our expert team of negociators struck a deal of 3million isk for his safe passage. Yet the stabber delayed the transaction to the point of logging off, so we had to encourage him to continue playing. After the transaction was done the ship was set free as promised.
Please do not misrepresent the situation in your favor, no matter how angry you are.
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nails
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Posted - 2003.07.15 02:29:00 -
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remember you can always screen cap the transactions :D
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.07.15 02:30:00 -
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Well Viceroy dear chap; there are some bitter realities on parade tonight ... just as highwaymen walk a moonlit path of romantic criminality and sensuous robbery, so do corporations re-write the facts with public relations broad sheets and spin doctored after action reports!
Really dear Sir, all is fair in love and war, and no more can be expected in the medium of pirate and victim.
It's entirely expected that pirates and illegals will prey upon soft targets as and when they become exposed to such unkind attentions ...
But so to will the corporations and communications directors of galactic enterprises paint such dashing villains in the darkest of lights and most unflattering shades of malign transposition.
Its the way of things,
Honestly ... black powder pistols at 20 paces had a lot going for them.
Still ... my offer stands and hey ... lets increase it ... 3.5 million for a frozen Molly statue for my gallent fallen comrade!
Who can say fairer than that?
Regards
Edited by: Jade Constantine on 18/07/2003 00:29:12
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.07.15 02:41:00 -
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[re the late lamented Ragadude] ... I say "fallen" when I actually mean; "blown to smitherines and mercilessly podded to sub genetic smear!"
And in case I didn't make my last point clearly enough ...
Pirates and Illegals can certainly act as they please;
But even "lovely fluffy" corps can tell porky pies and spin the facts to suit their PR needs. How many pirate corps employ image consultants hmmm ?
Lots of luv
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Michael Black
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Posted - 2003.07.15 02:42:00 -
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I've only had one run in with Setec, and I have to say he did a sloppy job as a pirate. he emailed me a ransom demand while I was cleaning up a batch of pirates "200,000 isk in 20 seconds" and opened fire before I even noticed the message, what with already being shot at and all.
An 'honest' pirate would open a conversation with a victim to be sure they'd got it. heck, in-game email isn't always instant anyway.
I wound up paying the fee to get my equipment back, grudgingly and with poor grace.
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Setec
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Posted - 2003.07.15 02:52:00 -
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LOL!
At first I thought this was probably some misunderstanding where my corpmates accidentally killed someone who paid or something. I was interested in finding out the details... and then I realized the guy wasn't even killed!
Let me clarify my policy: I will shoot at whomever I wish whenever I feel like it. I might have a fly land on my food and decide to pop a few shots off. I might give some frigate hull damage because I have to sneeze. I don't know. Whatever. I have no policy against shooting people.
But I won't just randomly kill people (with the exception of those funny folks who thought it was a good idea to declare war on us), and to my knowledge we've never made the mistake of killing anyone who paid. Shoot them, sure! Shooting people is a very big part of our operations. But we try in almost all cases to give people a chance to pay, and nobody who's paid has lost a ship.
It's ludicrous to expect to pass through a pirate blockade without taking a few scratches on your hull. :) I almost always open fire as soon as I have target lock. I find that most travelers are much more agreeable when they're watching flames shoot out of their ships. Bullets speak louder than words. :)
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Setec
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Posted - 2003.07.15 02:53:00 -
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<< I've only had one run in with Setec, and I have to say he did a sloppy job as a pirate. >>
Wow, the things people dig up... ;)
That was my very first attempt at robbery in this game. I've learned and changed a LOT since then.
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Space Invaders website: http://www.si-corp.net |
The Wretch
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Posted - 2003.07.15 03:04:00 -
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"That was my very first attempt at robbery in this game."
noob
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The Wretch
Cyberdyne Systems CEO
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.07.15 03:08:00 -
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Ah Setec, 'twould be fast unwonted hard critique to name you less than dashing relentless rogue of dauntless means and deadly force.
I have no doubt your chaps will do you proud ... and certainly ... my ugly hauler "Summer Rain" was chaffed aspace this eve at the passing of your corpmate's blockade.
Ah alas, people will chatter, and its difficult to maintain the mystique when the wheels of rumour and slanderous misrepresentation start turning. So tricky indeed to build the legend on foundations pressed with jealous harsh regard and nithling market economics.
But by the by;
[And despite my fervent wish to buy dear Molly's corpse with wanton ISK]
Would you be kind enough to come to dinner? My treat, I know a lovely little place in Luminaire, washed by the golden light of sun and nebula transposed in poetic radiance.
'Twould be a pleasant interlude and chance to speak on other matters than war and brutal duelling fury.
Evemail me dear chap,
If you wish it,
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Shiron Alkay
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Posted - 2003.07.15 03:11:00 -
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I must say that 3mil is taking the **** though!! if it was a round the 200k mark then people might accept it as the price you have to pay for travel through that system. At 3 mill they are gonna forget that system entirely...
at 200k you might stand the chance of repeat buissinus at 3mil ... NO way. I'd be happier to loose the ship... and you would most definately hear from my corp....
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QBall
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Posted - 2003.07.15 03:34:00 -
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Your corp which would be quickly disposed of in a timely fasion just like your ship, all because you didn't pay the fine.
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"OMG IT'S TRAMMEL 2.0!!!!"
-QBall
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Molly
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Posted - 2003.07.15 05:10:00 -
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Saladin it would be nice to see you revoking this post after you talked with your pilot.
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"Molly > funny thing is, if they warn me for attacking in 1.0, why does a GM wish me luck doing so?
Jash Illian > perverse sense of humor?
Molly > lol
Jash Illian > honestly tho, because he prolly doesn't know bships" |
Rapturea
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Posted - 2003.07.15 05:19:00 -
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well either way.. your all gutless swine no matter how you put it, have you stayed to fight even once when someone came to challenge you?
When I was a kid my favorite relative was Uncle Caveman. After school we'd all go play in his cave, and every once in a while he would eat one of us. It wasn't until later that I found out that Uncle Caveman was a bear. -jack handy |
Molly
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Posted - 2003.07.15 05:45:00 -
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Kaleb, you guys warped in with 5 heavy cruisers against a Blackbird, a Moa and a 2 Badgers and had some other cruisers at the gate later too.
It took you around 2 hours to get through and we were back 15 minutes after you passed.
Nice blockade breaking.
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"Molly > funny thing is, if they warn me for attacking in 1.0, why does a GM wish me luck doing so?
Jash Illian > perverse sense of humor?
Molly > lol
Jash Illian > honestly tho, because he prolly doesn't know bships" |
drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2003.07.15 07:57:00 -
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Jade C, I find your writing style most pleasant.
As for this situation, well.. wheee!
3 million to pass through? what was he carrying? A stack of gods? My courier mission of 4,000 'blingbling' platinum shirt buttons? Lord Zaps toupee?
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Tnelyos
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Posted - 2003.07.15 08:03:00 -
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we only held the gate long enough to get some weaker ships through...like one of my indys.
and the last couple people in that group didn't show up until just a few minutes before we broke the blockade.
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Saladin
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Posted - 2003.07.15 10:39:00 -
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"Our friend Saladin is painting his own picture of the event. The stabber was held up and our expert team of negociators struck a deal of 3million isk for his safe passage. Yet the stabber delayed the transaction to the point of logging off, so we had to encourage him to continue playing. After the transaction was done the ship was set free as promised.
Please do not misrepresent the situation in your favor, no matter how angry you are."
I did not misrepresent the facts. I said that he was fired on AFTER the sum was paid. That cannot be disputed. Oh and he didn't log off, EVE crashed on him. You when you fire on someone after they paid the passage fee, that is worse than than just attacking unannouced. People had this image of space invaders that if you paid everything would be ok. All I wanted to do is show that this is not the case. |
Violation
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Posted - 2003.07.15 10:56:00 -
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Saladin, there was some confusion as to whether he paid or not, he gave the money to a member of the group who wasant in negotiations with him, therefore we did not realise he had paid. When we realised he had paid we immediately let him go free.
Don't start **** when you don't even know what happened out there.
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Lao Tzu
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Posted - 2003.07.15 11:20:00 -
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If some one was gonna pay 3.5 mill for my corpse, I'd sell 'kill me rights' for 2mill or so, and buy a new clone for 500k.
:D
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Saladin
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Posted - 2003.07.15 11:24:00 -
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"Saladin, there was some confusion as to whether he paid or not, he gave the money to a member of the group who wasant in negotiations with him, therefore we did not realise he had paid. When we realised he had paid we immediately let him go free.
Don't start **** when you don't even know what happened out there."
I know exactly what happened, and it was correctly recorded in my first post. He was fired on after he paid. How long does it take to see the blinking wallet symbol in your neocom? And I am not starting ****. I am not issuing any threats, I'm not going to be one of those people who say "we have 86 moa's that will chase you down....bla bla bla". I am writing what happened out there so that other people know how you operate instead of the false impression given here on the boards. For instance, from reading the boards I thought Molly was a pirate hunter that took one sec hit too many from killing pirates that didn't have a low enough sec rating. I know now that this is not the case.
A lot of people misreprsent themselves on this board. It's about time the truth comes to light |
Violation
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Posted - 2003.07.15 11:30:00 -
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Well it seems your corp member was just unfortunate, I really dont see your problem though, we didn't fire intentionally after knowing he paid, it was an accident. If he paid and we fired anyway then sure, I would understand, if your ship was destroyed, I would also understand. The point is we obviously only fired for a short time because his ship wasant destroyed, so what is the harm done?
Oh and next time tell your corp members to pay the person who is negotiating with them to avoid further misunderstandings.
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Saladin
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Posted - 2003.07.15 11:43:00 -
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This is going to keep going back and forth. I won't post any more here since this discussion can go on forever. I will relay the message to my corp members. But if you see me you better shoot first because I will do the same. It makes zero sense to me to pay a toll that is more or less equal to the market value of the ship (which is a little over 3 mil for a stabber). I'd rather loose the ship and take the insurance that would offer close to that amount. Especially since the repair cost from being shot at plus the insurance would cover the cost of a new ship. It's pure and simple economics, don't take it personally. |
Violation
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Posted - 2003.07.15 11:44:00 -
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Fine by me =]
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