It just kind of dawned on me that you can sell a magic ship to another player, and people buy them. It was an "oh, hai, look what I can do" kind of a moment.

The rookie ship carries value on the market because it's used to do things.

Why are we given a free ship that carries value on the market?

Why are we not given a ship that can neither be traded nor sold; only trashed.
Even better, why am I given a ship in a station that I have other ships I'm capable of flying; or selling to get the ISK to buy a ship I can fly?

I do understand that people who lose a ship and can't buy another one need something to get back on their feet again.

I would think that it would make a lot more sense to require us to trash the ship if we don't wan it; not be able to transfer it to another player.

So that we can dock and undock to collect unlimited numbers of rookie ships to sell.
Session change is 10 seconds docking, and 10 undocking.
Which means in an hour you make 3.6M.
Better than most noob activities!

As a point of principle you're obviously in the right. As a point of practicality, it will never be a serious issue because noobships have close to zero intrinsic value.

So that we can dock and undock to collect unlimited numbers of rookie ships to sell.
Session change is 10 seconds docking, and 10 undocking.
Which means in an hour you make 3.6M.
Better than most noob activities!

I don't consider someone paying over 30k for many thousand of them "zero".

They have a value based on what someone is willing to pay. Sinse they have a use they have a value.

You can't reprocess them for a reason, you shouldn't be able to sell them either.

I'm sure CCP can manage to bind an item to you so that it's not transferable to any character not on your account; which is what should happen with the rookie ships.

1.Buy 10,000 rookie ships.
2.Repackage/Assemble
3. Repeat step 2
4. Have millions of civvie miners and guns.
5. ????

FTFY.

At about 20k ISK apiece, they're barely worth anything. Doing it as a career would oversaturate the market.

Really, it's just a convenience.

I don't consider someone paying over 30k for many thousand of them "zero".

They have a value based on what someone is willing to pay. Sinse they have a use they have a value.

You can't reprocess them for a reason, you shouldn't be able to sell them either.

I'm sure CCP can manage to bind an item to you so that it's not transferable to any character not on your account; which is what should happen with the rookie ships.

Given the time it takes to "make" a noobship from nothing, compared to the time it takes to "make" some veldspar or "make" some ISK from shooting rats, what precisely is the problem?

I made more isk creating a rookie ship then I could ever make in that same period of time mining.


Edit "Problem": I'm a builder. Think about that Malcanis. Why would I have a problem with magic ships on the market?
They aren't ships I BUILT, out of ore mined by other players. Or they werne't got from an NPC that was destroyed WITH MY ammo.

How much you can make isn't relevent. Any amount of isk is more then you should ever make off a magic item.

I don't consider someone paying over 30k for many thousand of them "zero".

They have a value based on what someone is willing to pay. Sinse they have a use they have a value.

You can't reprocess them for a reason, you shouldn't be able to sell them either.

I'm sure CCP can manage to bind an item to you so that it's not transferable to any character not on your account; which is what should happen with the rookie ships.

I reallyt don't care how little or lot you can make, or even if it's a trivial issue.

It's an easily fixable one.

if it's on the market it should have taken player effort to get it there; primarilly through building. I already dislike NPC loot drops, the rookie ship doesn't need to be on the market either.

The idea that it allows you to aquire a bunch of cheap ships to go blow up is even worse then the irrelevant sum of isk arguement.


There's an ungodly number of these things being purchased on the market. That's just silly. Those should be player built ships being traded on the market, not magically generated ones.

Besides, if it's an insignificant amount of ISK, then no one should have a problem if CCP bound each rookie ship to your account when it's made. Right?

i think you need to climb down on the donkey you rode in on and actually take a good hard look at the rookie ships.
firstly every one of them has a purpose .
velator - SDing
ibis - ECM
impairor - TDing
reaper - TPing

they can all fit CYNOs.

they have pitifull HP at ~450 total.
the have V few slots for fittings and heavily limited PG/CPU
they cant be rigged.
civilian mods suck.

they are designed in this way to allow new players/returning players (with no assets) to get back in to the game.

a venture (witch can also be obtained for free) can mine and resale +10% veld and make a profit of 3.79mill in 1 hour and 4 min.

do you want this free ship to be removed also?.

TL;DR
rookie ships have value because CCP wanted them to. after all they did buff them to their current state.
oh and BINDING stuff??? STFU this is eve not WOW <- had to get this one in :P

How do you get a free venture?

Go redo the industry tutorial mission in whatever newb system your faction uses (for most Gallente pilots it tends to be Couster).

You used to get a free Navitas/racial mining frig, now you get a Venture.

And you can run the tutorial missions as many times as you wish; so screw Velators, if you are a mind to and want to grind like a maniac, you can get endless numbers of Atrons, Tristans, and Iteron Mark Ones as well. And Imicus's too, IIRC.

Now that I have pointed this out, I now post the usual rabblerabblerabble NO CCP WHY U DO THIS TEH MARKETS WIL KRASH NERF NOOB MISHONS NAOW rabblerabblerabble.

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