EVE Search - Scanning is a joke! JOKE!

All Channels

EVE New Citizens Q&A

Scanning is a joke! JOKE!

» Click here to find additional results for this topic using Google

Monitor this thread via RSS [?]

Pages: 1 2 :: [one page]
Author	Thread Statistics \| Show CCP posts - 1 post(s)
Sovereign Solette Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2013.02.02 21:19:00 - [1] - Quote I have tried scanning and its just fighting the User Interface, I'm sure this was not the intended aim of scanning! I did have 1 success, netted 12 million, but afterwards, its like after I narrow down a red target zone, it disappears!!! It goes on like this ad infinitum, increase scan area, narrow, increase scan area, narrow................ How. Annoying. Trying to align my probes for 30 minutes to an hour. I did see that youtube video also on how to align your probes so I know how it works etc and I have been patient but it just doesn't WORK!!! The cliche part - whoever designed this scanning stuff.......well you know the rest LOL /end rant I doubt there can be any tips as to how to do it best???
Sovereign Solette Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2013.02.02 21:20:00 - [2] - Quote Do SOMETHING to fix it. I mean, turn it 2D or make it into a fun minigame like those Mass Effect 2 mini puzzles but more appropriate, I don't know.........
Soft Insanity Strange Energy Gentlemen's Agreement 3	Posted - 2013.02.02 21:23:00 - [3] - Quote The first question is what are you skills at and are you using 4 probes in a plus sign to do scanning?
Steven Koskanaiken Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic 28	Posted - 2013.02.02 21:24:00 - [4] - Quote Sovereign Solette wrote: Do SOMETHING to fix it. I mean, turn it 2D or make it into a fun minigame like those Mass Effect 2 mini puzzles but more appropriate, I don't know......... Ooh another whine thread about scanning. Yes, it needs work. No, it can't be 2D. You do know that EVE is happening in a 3D enviroment, so good luck putting something in it that isn't. Yeah, let's make it into a minigame like one of those things in the most crappy and borderline boring to death singleplayer games.
Leetha Layne 70	Posted - 2013.02.02 21:27:00 - [5] - Quote It works fine go away. YOU can't figure it out so it's broken???
Elena Thiesant Sun Micro Systems 147	Posted - 2013.02.02 21:28:00 - [6] - Quote Check your filters, make sure that you haven't got the scanner set to not show any specific sig types.
Sovereign Solette Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2013.02.02 21:39:00 - [7] - Quote Leetha Layne wrote: It works fine go away. YOU can't figure it out so it's broken??? I can be patient with games but if its frustrating, its frustrating - end of story. I am actually aligning the probes in a plus sign using 5 probes. I think I am getting the hang of it or it could just be chance. Basically align top down first and then align from the vertical axis etc etc. My skills: archaeology at level 3 astrometric acquision at level 2 astro rangefinding at level2 astrometrics at level 3 science at level 4
Sovereign Solette Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2013.02.02 21:42:00 - [8] - Quote The interface improvements I am thinking of is the way homeworld series games lets you align things in 3D space, you remember????
Elena Thiesant Sun Micro Systems 147	Posted - 2013.02.02 21:43:00 - [9] - Quote If you're intending to explore seriously (which I wouldn't recommend if you hate scanning), get astrometrics to 4 mininum and the other 3 (astrometric acquisition, astrometric pinpointing and astrometric rangefinding) to 3 minimum. Scanning's mostly about practice and player skills. I know people who can scan an entire system down (multiple sigs) in a couple minutes
Scaramanga Erquilenne 49	Posted - 2013.02.02 21:49:00 - [10] - Quote I must admit i found it very frustrating as well the 3D map was a nightmare to align and focus in on . I decided to improve my scanning skills and eqp and come back to it at a later date You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist-á
Vaju Enki Secular Wisdom 422	Posted - 2013.02.02 21:54:00 - [11] - Quote Scanning Tutorial Scanning works just fine. You should expect a big learning curve, this is EvE Online. If you want instant gratification, go stimulate your genitals. EvE is Hard, deal with it.
Sovereign Solette Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2013.02.02 21:56:00 - [12] - Quote Elena Thiesant wrote: If you're intending to explore seriously (which I wouldn't recommend if you hate scanning), get astrometrics to 4 mininum and the other 3 (astrometric acquisition, astrometric pinpointing and astrometric rangefinding) to 3 minimum. Scanning's mostly about practice and player skills. I know people who can scan an entire system down (multiple sigs) in a couple minutes Quote: I must admit i found it very frustrating as well the 3D map was a nightmare to align and focus in on . I decided to improve my scanning skills and eqp and come back to it at a later date After looking at these skills, I think you are right. I will come back in a week or two when I have the necessary skills!!!
Lyrah Okkus 24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire 7	Posted - 2013.02.02 22:11:00 - [13] - Quote Astrometrics pinpointing skill takes this annoyance out. just straight out. Also, err on the side of having too much overlap rather than not enough. I had the best results when all my probes could see each other.
Oz Yael Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 5	Posted - 2013.02.02 22:13:00 - [14] - Quote Elena Thiesant wrote: If you're intending to explore seriously (which I wouldn't recommend if you hate scanning), get astrometrics to 4 mininum and the other 3 (astrometric acquisition, astrometric pinpointing and astrometric rangefinding) to 3 minimum. Scanning's mostly about practice and player skills. I know people who can scan an entire system down (multiple sigs) in a couple minutes Who? I would like to see a video of this! Impossible.
Elena Thiesant Sun Micro Systems 147	Posted - 2013.02.02 22:15:00 - [15] - Quote Just in case you missed this earlier Quote: Check your filters, make sure that you haven't got the scanner set to not show any specific sig types. I've lost count how many cases I've seen (exploration channel, rookie help, here) where someone fiddled with the filters then wonders why sites are filtered out.
Oz Yael Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 5	Posted - 2013.02.02 22:15:00 - [16] - Quote Vaju Enki wrote: Scanning Tutorial Scanning works just fine. You should expect a big learning curve, this is EvE Online. The "curve" he is talking about is like this ---> \|
Vaju Enki Secular Wisdom 422	Posted - 2013.02.02 22:17:00 - [17] - Quote Oz Yael wrote: Vaju Enki wrote: Scanning Tutorial Scanning works just fine. You should expect a big learning curve, this is EvE Online. The "curve" he is talking about is like this ---> \| EvE Online learning curve If you want instant gratification, go stimulate your genitals. EvE is Hard, deal with it.
Oz Yael Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 5	Posted - 2013.02.02 22:20:00 - [18] - Quote Sovereign Solette wrote: Leetha Layne wrote: It works fine go away. YOU can't figure it out so it's broken??? I can be patient with games but if its frustrating, its frustrating - end of story. I am actually aligning the probes in a plus sign using 5 probes. I think I am getting the hang of it or it could just be chance. Basically align top down first and then align from the vertical axis etc etc. My skills: archaeology at level 3 astrometric acquision at level 2 astro rangefinding at level2 astrometrics at level 3 science at level 4 Yea if you go back a month You will see my post On the same thing regarding exploration it's really frustrating in the beginning. What you need to do is you definitely need to put astronomic's to 4 and the rest to 3 that's can help you out on my also make sure using a right ship with bonuses and do some SOE missions to get loyalty to buy a sisters launcher.
Souxie Alduin Anarchy in the Eve 51	Posted - 2013.02.02 22:31:00 - [19] - Quote Definitely get your skills to 3 or 4 asap. Also, get into an Imicus or a CovOps frigate. Both have nice scanning bonuses. And throw in some gravity probe rigs to boost your scanning strength even more. There's also implants that improve all three scanning skills, and a Sisters core probe launcher with sister probes adds even more. You can check your scanning strength by opening the fitting window and click the "Charge Info" button that pops out when you hover over the probe launcher. And check your filters. Signatures that are filtered out will still show up until you get a good enough signal to tell what it is. Edit: If in doubt, set it to "show all".
Ovv Topik Proposition Thirteen The Third Rail 258	Posted - 2013.02.02 23:49:00 - [20] - Quote Stick with it bro. Eve is a game of infinite complexity and bottomless depth. If scanning was easy and you could master it in 5 minutes, you'd be bored of it in 10! Nothing worthwhile is ever easy! Which is why Eve is the only MMO to be still growing on the scale it is after 10 years. ti'n siarad Cymraeg?
Surfin's PlunderBunny Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 7325	Posted - 2013.02.03 00:10:00 - [21] - Quote This doesn't sound like scanning... the on-board scanner has no red dots "Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff-á
Minmatar Citizen160812 The LGBT Last Supper 143	Posted - 2013.02.03 01:15:00 - [22] - Quote Your filters are screwed up and you haven't learned the quick keys yet. I refuse to post instructions here because they are all over the internet already. Don't whine, learn. ...and yes it should only take minutes to mark out a system.
Orlacc 198	Posted - 2013.02.03 02:01:00 - [23] - Quote Dang this is too hard so it am busted. I want 2D scanning and no more big wurds lahk trasvursle...
Hot Cell Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2013.02.03 03:23:00 - [24] - Quote I highly recommend using 7 probes. Use 5 probes in a plus (+) sign, with 1 probe in the center. Then launch 1 probe to go up (z-axis) and 1 probe to go down. This means you're covering the plus sign, as well as the 3D areas. Remember to use alt and shift key. I find these 2 buttons make life SIMPLE.
Sovereign Solette Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2013.02.03 13:40:00 - [25] - Quote Thanks people! I am gonna skill up and use 7 probes - sounds good!
Keno Skir Vectis Covert Solutions 365	Posted - 2013.02.03 18:35:00 - [26] - Quote Sovereign Solette wrote: Do SOMETHING to fix it. I mean, turn it 2D or make it into a fun minigame like those Mass Effect 2 mini puzzles but more appropriate, I don't know......... Mate, you do something to fix it. Thousands of people use it fine, you just aren't very good at it yet. Get back on your bike and learn to ride, then you can discuss the mechanics of bicycle design. EDIT : I have basic scan skills and use 6 probes. I have never been unable to scan down a sig since learning how so i know its not so skill intensive as some make out. If you have any further thoughts on something i've posted, or want to ask an unrelated question feel free to contact me by EvE Mail or by private conversation if 'm online. BUDDY TRIALS AVAILABLE - 21days plus big ISK bonus and starting assistance
Orlacc 198	Posted - 2013.02.03 18:41:00 - [27] - Quote Sovereign Solette wrote: Thanks people! I am gonna skill up and use 7 probes - sounds good! Now that's the attitude! Once you "get it" you will have a blast!
Jonah Gravenstein The Burning Lotus 5326	Posted - 2013.02.03 19:12:00 - [28] - Quote Oz Yael wrote: Elena Thiesant wrote: If you're intending to explore seriously (which I wouldn't recommend if you hate scanning), get astrometrics to 4 mininum and the other 3 (astrometric acquisition, astrometric pinpointing and astrometric rangefinding) to 3 minimum. Scanning's mostly about practice and player skills. I know people who can scan an entire system down (multiple sigs) in a couple minutes Who? I would like to see a video of this! Impossible. Ask anyone that's lived in a wormhole, it's entirely possible to scan an entire solar system in a matter of minutes. You'll find that scanning takes a combination of both real world and virtual skills, and practice is an important part of gaining the real world skills. Knowledge and research are your friends, there's multiple websites out there that provide information on the shortcuts to determining the signature type via their initial strength. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Base_Signature_Strength is a good place to start. Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. Three times, it's a goonspiracy.
Xercodo Xovoni Directorate 2148	Posted - 2013.02.03 19:15:00 - [29] - Quote Btw magically disappearing signatures means it's VERY HIGHLY LIKELY that you set a scan filter. The filter doesn't know what to filter out until you've narrowed it below about 40-50% and you actually know the sig type. Thus if you have a filter to only show Radar and Mag sites any Grav, Ladar, or Unknown sigs will disappear once you reach that threshold. The Drake is a Lie

ISD LackOfFaith ISD Community Communications Liaisons 390	Posted - 2013.02.03 21:09:00 - [30] - Quote Normally I would lock this for ranting, but you're getting some good help and responses despite that, so I'll leave it open as long as it stays that way, and only do some light editing of OP. Some extra tips to make the UI work for you: Hold Shift and drag one probe to move all probes at once, keeping their "formation" intact. Hold Shift and drag the scan radius of one probe to scale the scan radii of all probes at once. Hold Alt and drag one probe to scale the position of all probes around their central point. Using these three shortcuts, you can easily progressively narrow down single signatures. Ed: Make sure your scan filters are also set up correctly. By default, everything is shown while it is an "unknown" signature. The filters only get applied when you narrow it down enough to put a type to it. If that type is not within your filters, the signature will just "disappear" when you narrow it down. ISD LackOfFaith Lieutenant Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department

Lost Greybeard Drunken Yordles 273	Posted - 2013.02.04 08:05:00 - [31] - Quote Use your probes in a tetrahedral arrangement with the overlap range around the region of space you want to look at, or an octahedral arrangement with a central probe for a larger region of space if you have the skills for that many probes. Because in space you have to quadrangulate instead of triangulate, you need four probes at minimum to see the point before you can pinpoint it, if you only have three seeing it you'll get two dots reflected across the plane of the three probes. If you don't know what that means and can't successfully look it up with Google, give up and mine in belts instead or something, because the problem is you're probably not smart enough to successfully scan. either way, quit whining, most people have fairly minimal trouble figuring this out with internet access so if you can't it's your problem.
Vilnius Zar Ordo Ardish 704	Posted - 2013.02.04 10:31:00 - [32] - Quote Check my exploration tutorial, click the link in my sig. p.s. stop acting like a clown. Amat victoria curam. Excellence in everything. Some guides that may be useful to you: http://www.youtube.com/user/OrdoArdish
Kiteo Hatto Equanimity Order 778	Posted - 2013.02.04 10:48:00 - [33] - Quote What if I told you that probes didn't have warpdrives....back in the day. You had to drop them yourself :P. On the constructive note, make sure you are in a scanning ship(with preferably some scan strength rigs) and keep training those scan skills up! Use core probes not combat ones(although there is a way to use combats for general overview of the system but it's a little bit more advanced). Scanning will get easier the more you do it, just stick with it. Good luck! "That's okay it annoys me when people pile on new definitions to the word sandbox every time CCP does something they don't like." - Alara IonStorm GD is where 60% of threads make you dumber and 10% which provide you with entertainment, the remaining 30% is a mix of both.
Ana Fox Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 55	Posted - 2013.02.04 11:49:00 - [34] - Quote Hot Cell wrote: I highly recommend using 7 probes. Use 5 probes in a plus (+) sign, with 1 probe in the center. Then launch 1 probe to go up (z-axis) and 1 probe to go down. This means you're covering the plus sign, as well as the 3D areas. Remember to use alt and shift key. I find these 2 buttons make life SIMPLE. Even if he start to use 10 probes it will not change to much.Most of my isk making if not all is over probing ,and up to this day I didnt find one reason why you should use more then five probes.You dont even need five ,four is enough to scan strong signals with decent skills.Point is he have problem understanding how things works,so with more probes he will not solve any if he dont understands basic concept about probing. Quote: I have tried scanning and its just fighting the User Interface, I'm sure this was not the intended aim of scanning! I did have 1 success, netted 12 million, but afterwards, its like after I narrow down a red target zone, it disappears!!! It goes on like this ad infinitum, increase scan area, narrow, increase scan area, narrow................ How. Annoying. Trying to align my probes for 30 minutes to an hour. I did see that youtube video also on how to align your probes so I know how it works etc and I have been patient but it just doesn't WORK!!! it worked fine for big majority of players in EVE so problems is in you.Maybe now CCP need to change this mechanic so you can use zero effort and earn tons of isk and say how you are space rich. Scanning is fine it is just asking for bit of reading and that is all.Few days ago I was talking with one week new pilot,and he/she used tutorial that one of posters said above (Vilnius Zar ),and he/she didnt had any problems. Raging on forums cause you are lazy will not help,and scanning is that way cause it is really strong tool,you dont use probes only in pvp ,so making it trivial will just be wrong. Also one thing more ,regarding skills.You dont need all skills maxed or to be freaking great,what you need is just to have five probes and that is about it.For start that is more than enough cause you will use ships with scan bonus (Heron,Imicus etc). Just read and ask players in help chat they will help you ,dont come to forum asking for something to be fixed what works just fine.No one likes drama queens.Also some players learn something faster and some slower.that is why we have so many things in EVE,so if you find something annoying for you dont do it.
ITTigerClawIK Galactic Rangers R O G U E 194	Posted - 2013.02.04 12:16:00 - [35] - Quote i have to admit, to a new player the scannign system is somewhat daunting and very intimidating on a 3d landscape and can do with some improving, i did however find that this official scanning tutorial helped me ALOT when i decided to learn how to scan http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=heYfTA00Idg&list=SPFCD7CE88C4615EFF&index=2 i hope that helps
Ixpha Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic 5	Posted - 2013.02.05 04:14:00 - [36] - Quote Elena Thiesant wrote: Check your filters, make sure that you haven't got the scanner set to not show any specific sig types. After reading your post it seems its this problem, if u filter out any of the spesific Sites in the scanning option, it will vanish when the site is recognised. I did exactly that myself when i started my very first exploration trips, thinking i could filter out everything but the radar sites and i couldnt understand why 99% of the scans vanished lol. And as for the skills, you dont need a gazillion probes or 4-5 in astrometrics to scan down almost any site, at least not in hi and low sec, except maybe the 5 and 6/10 sites. Once i figured out the filter issue i scanned with lvl 3 skills and 5 probes for a long time with no problems whatsoever, if ur not using a scanning frig, i used a rupture with only 1 scan rig and skills at lvl 3. When u get better at scanning and u cannot scan down a site its most likely too hard for you to do anyway. Just saying because some advices here may seem like you "cant" do exploration unless u have astrometrics and the other scanning skills at 4+ Personally i prioritized getting a T2 cloak on my rupture for low sec, because i got fed up by the T3 cruisers nabbing everything in hi sec :P
Ixpha Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic 5	Posted - 2013.02.05 04:22:00 - [37] - Quote Ixpha wrote: Elena Thiesant wrote: Check your filters, make sure that you haven't got the scanner set to not show any specific sig types. After reading your post it seems its this problem, if u filter out any of the spesific Sites in the scanning option, it will vanish when the site is recognised. I did exactly that myself when i started my very first exploration trips, thinking i could filter out everything but the radar sites and i couldnt understand why 99% of the scans vanished lol. And as for the skills, you dont need a gazillion probes or 4-5 in astrometrics to scan down almost any site (it will be alot easier however), at least not in hi and low sec, except maybe the 5 and 6/10 sites. Once i figured out the filter issue i scanned with lvl 3 skills and 5 probes for a long time with no problems whatsoever, if ur not using a scanning frig, i used a rupture with only 1 scan rig and skills at lvl 3. When u get better at scanning and u cannot scan down a site its most likely too hard for you to do anyway. Just saying because some advices here may seem like you "cant" do exploration unless u have astrometrics and the other scanning skills at 4+ Personally i prioritized getting a T2 cloak on my rupture for low sec, because i got fed up by the T3 cruisers nabbing everything in hi sec :P
LHA Tarawa Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 290	Posted - 2013.02.05 21:46:00 - [38] - Quote Sovereign Solette wrote: I have tried scanning and its just fighting the User Interface, I'm sure this was not the intended aim of scanning! I did have 1 success, netted 12 million, but afterwards, its like after I narrow down a red target zone, it disappears!!! It goes on like this ad infinitum, increase scan area, narrow, increase scan area, narrow................ I suspect the issue is you are only thinking about it in 2 dimensions. This was my issue when I first started scanning. Be sure to flip the solar system so you are looking at the plain, then adjust the height of the drones above and below the plain. So.. to scan effectively. Have skills to use at least 5 probes, and have the other skills that increase probe signal strength trained. Open the map, select solar system map, use left click to ensure you are looking at it from directly above/below. Launch 5 probes. Open scanner window. Select all probes in the scanning window. Adjust the scan range to like 32au. One by one, drag the probes out from the stack, one in each direction, about 2/3rds of the center probe's range to get a good overlap. Then hold shift while moving all 5 probes to cover most, all of the solar system's planets. Drag the map so that you are looking at it on edge. Hold shift and drag the probes up/down to be on the plain. Drag the map back so you are looking from above again. Scan. Pick one of the sigs to try to narrow down. Drop the scan range to like 8au. hold ALT while dragging one of the probes into about 2/3rds of the center probe's range. All 4 of the outer probes will move in at one time. Remember that you can zoom in/out, and right-click-drag recenters on all 3 plains. Hold Shift while moving one of the probes. All 5 will move at once. Drag them directly over the sig. Drag the map vew so you are again looking at it from the edge. Drag the probes up/down to be over the sig. Scan again. If you have a ring, adjust the location of all 5 using shift/drag to cover the ring. if you get 2 dots again, adjust the location of the probes... on the plane or above/below. Once you get it back to a single dot, shrink the scan range again, alt-drag the probes in toward the center with a good overlap. shift drag on the plane and above/below the place as needed to have the dot be in the center of the probes. Repeat shrinking the range, alt drage the probes in, shift-drage to move the probes in all 3 dimensions. If you can't get it to 100%, better skills and better launcher/probes/ship with bonuses. I can now scan down very hard locations within a couple minutes.
Eternal Montage Frontier Explorer's League Sadistica Alliance 92	Posted - 2013.02.05 22:04:00 - [39] - Quote I have no trouble now but it was really hard getting it working in the beginning. Work on your skills. Also the bigger the overlap in the middle the higher the scan strength (to a point)--at least this is what I've observed. Also use Alt and Ctrl click to move the probes. Scanning takes only a minute or two and it's fun, shouldn't be frustrating at all unless if you're probing down something beyond your skill level. Use sisters equipment and gravity capacitor rigs. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=169738
Davith en Divalone Aegis Coalition Logistics 61	Posted - 2013.02.05 22:13:00 - [40] - Quote Hint: Use alt and shift.

Pages: 1 2 :: [one page]

COPYRIGHT NOTICE
EVE Online, the EVE logo, EVE and all associated logos and designs are the intellectual property of CCP hf. All artwork, screenshots, characters, vehicles, storylines, world facts or other recognizable features of the intellectual property relating to these trademarks are likewise the intellectual property of CCP hf. EVE Online and the EVE logo are the registered trademarks of CCP hf. All rights are reserved worldwide. All other trademarks are the property of their respective owners. CCP hf. has granted permission to EVE-Search.com to use EVE Online and all associated logos and designs for promotional and information purposes on its website but does not endorse, and is not in any way affiliated with, EVE-Search.com. CCP is in no way responsible for the content on or functioning of this website, nor can it be liable for any damage arising from the use of this website.