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Royaldo
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Posted - 2005.12.26 01:28:00 -
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Really good post.
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Phyra
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Posted - 2005.12.31 13:22:00 -
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 STICKY THIS PLEASE!
Very good Herko!
One little thing that could even improve your guide: include the step by step description for setting up remote buy orders (rightclick the sell-order etc.) right under "procurement". You give it in a later post - so it's not a big deal.
Looks to me that procurement doesn't work perfect when it works like it works from stations now. I would think the in-space method is much better - a selection dialog for choosing the system needs to be added if that should become the standard though.
STICKY PLEASE
Oh and because some ppl nagged: The roleplay approach for writing this guide is quite cool in my opinion. Might not be everyone's style - but dry technical explanations aren't either. GJ here too Herko!
regards
Phyra
P.S.: CCP please do better documentation. And fix drones. And procurement. Oh and sticky this thread please.
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Phyra
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Posted - 2006.01.04 14:22:00 -
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bumpidy
Please sticky or copy over to "Player Guides"
Phyra
P.S.: CCP please do better documentation.
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Selya
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Posted - 2006.01.06 00:37:00 -
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Please STICK this USEFUL thread :)
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TrainingCharacter
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Posted - 2006.01.06 19:42:00 -
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Just saw another post in the same forum, asking exactly what this thread explains
STICKY PLEASE
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hydraSlav
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Posted - 2006.01.06 19:43:00 -
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Oops... wrong account... Is there no delete even for my own posts?
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Max Tekram
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Posted - 2006.01.07 12:25:00 -
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STICKY THIS
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BuenoNunca
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Posted - 2006.01.10 15:33:00 -
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Vote Sticky!
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Disco Flint
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Posted - 2006.01.18 15:52:00 -
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While I'm not all too much into trading myself I found this to be a quite enlightening read. Finally it's clear to me what these skills do, where my money goes when I sell or buy something etc. For someone even only potentially interested in trading, this is a must read, therefore:
-> sticky plz!
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Herko Kerghans
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Posted - 2006.01.23 07:45:00 -
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 Originally by: StarLite
Originally by: Herko Kerghans
To the best of my knowledge, the things you cannot buy/sell throught the market (thus are "unreachable" by trading skills, of course) are:
-"Rare" named modules (gistii, dark blood...)
You actually CAN.
I once bought a succubus via escrow and I right-clicked on the suc and then clicked "Buy this item" and there were actually a few for sale on the market in that system.
Aha? Now THAT is an interesting trick! Not that it is a huge market, and the buyer will never find it... but sikrit markets have a nice 'black' ring to it!
Guide updated. 
Originally by: Duncan Storne
This brings up another possibility. With regards to not being able to place remote buy orders for items not being sold at the station, you could potentially visit the station and place your own sell order for an exorbitant price and then...
*smiles*
You, my friend, show great potential. Of course, you are on the Isk here... and you can wreak havoc on the NPC trade goods with it.
Just don't tell it to everybody... we need people actually hauling the stuff for us... 
Barriers - an EVE novel |
Black 5
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Posted - 2006.01.25 14:11:00 -
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deserves a bump, and a sticky
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Forsaken Tome
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Posted - 2006.01.28 23:23:00 -
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come on eris, stickie please |
Macon Squaredealer
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Posted - 2006.01.31 17:10:00 -
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Habla Sticky?
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Pang Grohl
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Posted - 2006.01.31 19:28:00 -
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Originally by: Duncan Storne
This brings up another possibility. With regards to not being able to place remote buy orders for items not being sold at the station, you could potentially visit the station and place your own sell order for an exorbitant price and then, as long as that order is active, place remote buy orders at a reasonable price. It requires visiting the station once, but if you want to be able to place repeated buy orders over time, it may be worth the initial trip.
Could anyone confirm if this works the same way with selling? I've seen what appears to be the inverse of this... PC's buying at .01 isk for ammo & other consumables.
Thanks everyone for this awesome guide to what the skills do... It's confirmed my suspicions that trading is going to be the way to really capitalize on the efforts of those hardworking miners & hunters 
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Pang Grohl
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Posted - 2006.01.31 19:29:00 -
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Oh yeah...
Sticky!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Pang
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Jnaan
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Posted - 2006.02.01 03:16:00 -
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STICKY!
I've been looking for something like this for AGES, why isn't it stickied after so long?
And while you're at it, fix the descriptions and the bugs please CCP!
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Jnaan
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Posted - 2006.02.02 02:54:00 -
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Edited by: Jnaan on 02/02/2006 02:58:05
Edited by: Jnaan on 02/02/2006 02:57:46
-When you put a purchase order in the station you are in, you can set the range of effect to anything from ôstationö to ôregionö. You need no skill for this
ahem... How? The only option that I have under the 'range' drop-down is 'Station', and it's a local buy order I'm trying to place, NOT a remote one. Are you sure you've got this right? (My only skills are Trade 2 and Retail 3).
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Jnaan
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Posted - 2006.02.02 02:59:00 -
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Edited by: Jnaan on 02/02/2006 02:59:00
(double-post)
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Herko Kerghans
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Posted - 2006.02.02 06:17:00 -
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Originally by: Jnaan
Are you sure you've got this right? (My only skills are Trade 2 and Retail 3).
To tell you the truth, no, I'm not 100% sure. That is basically because I'm never 100% sure of anything I cannot test myself, personally.
Now, my recently created alt, who I trust 63.5% (I mean, she is an alt, what can you expect!), says that yup, totally, completely, and most positively correct.
-Dock at your station (gotta be docked, not from space)
-Open market tab
-Search for your item
-Press set up purchase order
-You get, on the pull-down menu, all the distances you want.
My alt has trade skill level 1, so you don't get less trained than that.
Now, attention here young one: if your scan this thread, you will see that you can place purchase orders while you are floating in space. If you do this it is, AFAIK, and now not even my alt is totally sure, assumed that you are doing a REMOTE purchase order.
That means:
-You are in the Jita system, floating in space, you can set a purchaser order from space and the system will
---let you choose any station in the system
---let you choose any product (as if it were a 'docked' purchase order)
---let you choose a range according to your visibility skill (as if it were a 'remote' purchase order)
The floating in space is a bit messy and noone I know has it figured out (basically because since I have all the skill already trained, I cannot test what happens in every conceivable situation)
Now, what it is for sure: dock in the station, and just with the trade skill you can set a region-wide purchase order.
Or so my alt with Trade lvl 1 says.
Barriers - an EVE novel |
Jnaan
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Posted - 2006.02.02 12:17:00 -
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Now, what it is for sure: dock in the station, and just with the trade skill you can set a region-wide purchase order.
Nope, doesn't work. Could it be an undocumented trial account limitation?
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Jnaan
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Posted - 2006.02.02 12:44:00 -
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Edited by: Jnaan on 02/02/2006 12:46:04
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Sayid
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Posted - 2006.02.02 16:30:00 -
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I see several questions about what combination of skills will make stuff appear in your homebase hangar.
Perhaps it would be a good idea to state in the top post that there is no combination of skills, trade or otherwise, that will transport stuff for you. Stuff changes owner, its not magically moved from A to B.
If you have a buy order with 5 jumps range, and someone sells you stuff 3 jumps away, the stuff is still 3 jumps away. YOU have to fly the 3 jumps to get it.
If you buy stuff from a sell order 3 jumps away, the stuff is still 3 jumps away. YOU have to fly the 3 jumps to get it.
Also: the visibility 5 nonsense, has anyone posted why you dont want it?
Oh and PS: STICKEY!!
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Wilfan Ret'nub
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Posted - 2006.02.02 17:56:00 -
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Originally by: Sayid
Also: the visibility 5 nonsense, has anyone posted why you dont want it?
Let me try:
First, regionwide buy orders are usually a very dumb thing to do. You'll have to collect the stuff all over the region. The only case where it might come in handy is a buy order for a very rare, very valuable item (say a HAC). Though such items are usually not on sale when you want to place the order, so you can't set a remote buy order anyway (but you can set a local one).
Second, with Visibility 5, you can set a remote buy order that can be filled from anywhere in the region. So, it really doesn't matter on which station you put the order. And as there is usually a station near you, you can dock and enter a local region-wide buy order.
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Selene Shaataz
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Posted - 2006.02.07 19:44:00 -
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Personally, i found this particular diatribe by Herko of more use initially to the ravings of others on the subject *smiles as looks up from studying own reflection in a station window* , since (by virtue of the Galnet) he has managed to explain these dodgily-described downloads us pod pilots refer to as "trade skills" in an amusing an understandable fashion *flicks hair out of eyes with a toss of the head* .
I fully appreciate that some of the capsuleer community (doubtless suffering from the pod-fever) fail to understand the tone of Herko's outpouring, and i mourn at their loss of their grip on reality.
However, this does not in any way prevent my recommending that this particular "thread" of debate be awarded "easier access" to the casual user of the GalNet facilities.
As you all say ... "sticky" it please? *rubs neck as looks to the GalNet editors*
fly free all *closes comms*
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Lorelei Lee
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Posted - 2006.02.09 14:36:00 -
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Originally by: Herko Kerghans
(And... ok, wasn't gonna tell ya but Brej Donierik does below so here it is: WHOEVER HAS VISIBILITY TRAINED UP TO V SHOULD BE SHOT IN THE HEAD. Now go think about why. *grinz*)
Your turn to go camp a gate, sir. It matters which station your region-wide order is based out of, because the broker fee depends on your standings with that station's owner.
Oh, and the formula for the above exists. I'll give you a hint: The absolute lowest broker fee is 0.1875%.
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MeatHelmetz
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Posted - 2006.02.10 15:43:00 -
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I have procurement to lvl 3 shouldn't I be able to set a buy order for something 5 jumps away because I can't.
Any help would be muchly appreciated
Cheers
Meaty
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Shan'Talasha Mea'Questa
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Posted - 2006.02.12 10:12:00 -
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Vote for STICKY.
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Herko Kerghans
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Posted - 2006.02.12 15:31:00 -
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Originally by: Wilfan Ret'nub
Second, with Visibility 5, you can set a remote buy order that can be filled from anywhere in the region. So, it really doesn't matter on which station you put the order. And as there is usually a station near you, you can dock and enter a local region-wide buy order.
One minute ago, I would have said "spot on!"; the only use I found for it is in 0.0 with a lot of stations like Syndicate, that perhaps because the entrance is camped you cannot get to a station.
Yet, there IS a use, as pointed by Lorelei Lee:
Originally by: Lorelei Lee
Oh, and the formula for the above exists. I'll give you a hint: The absolute lowest broker fee is 0.1875%.
which I had not though of.
As such: guide updated, thanks for the tip Lorelei!
(Personally, I still don't recommend it unless you are an agent runner and can get high standings, and then only if you plan to trade in the same region your standings are high. But if the two previous conditions are met, then you can save quite a few isks for it).
Barriers - an EVE novel |
Zwingli
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Posted - 2006.02.13 21:20:00 -
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Stick... stick... stick to my loo!
Excellent post!
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Drostan Shaw
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Posted - 2006.02.16 01:39:00 -
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Guh, I'm missing some little dump stupid fact or something. It's bugging the hell out of me. I'm making great money doing freight runs trading NPC goods. I have trade at 4 and all the other almost at 3. The problem is that I can't seem to figure out the benefit of remote buy and sell orders. I use sell orders currently to sell a large stack of goods at one station over the course of a day or two and that's it. For example, if I have 30k units but the station only buys 10k at a time, I'll put up all 30k at the top price and the items sell piecemeal as the market swings back around to that top price.
Here's the thing. Why would I want to set a remote buy order or a buy order that encompasses a region? I then have all of those items scattered all over the place. I read all the guides. Kaii's on the forum and in EONs last issue. Am I to believe that I set a buy order, get a load of widgets that are spread around a region and then somehow expect players to move those items for me if I manipulate prices? These skill descriptions are clear and are so in-game as well. It's the actual use of the buy and sell orders that is just outside of my grasp as a slightly casual player.
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