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La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 703	Posted - 2013.02.03 04:08:00 - [1] - Quote Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote: mining barge buffs Can't emphasize this enough the forum whining got mining barges their unwarranted EHP buffs. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team.
La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 703	Posted - 2013.02.03 04:24:00 - [2] - Quote Captain Tardbar wrote: La Nariz wrote: Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote: mining barge buffs Can't emphasize this enough the forum whining got mining barges their unwarranted EHP buffs. How do we know it was forum posts and not petitions plus the cancelation reaons people give? Did CCP come out and say "Because of the threadnaught, we have decided to give in to your demands!" Can you post a link to that post? If that is the case why don't they buff null-sec with all the threadnaughts created on it. I do not know why CCP catered to the miner's demands but refuse to fix something that is obviously broken and has been broken for years. I assume its all with the recent trend of highsec pampering or something to do with a timetable they have set, a little information from them here would be awesome. We don't know anything about cancellations or petitions because those are not published but its awful convenient that when a bunch of threads from angry miners popped up CCP decided it was time to "rebalance" mining. It's also very suspicious that CCP decided to change their mind about mining ship EHP at the last moment in the thread discussing it, and doing it before players could provide meaningful input. The best thing that could probably be done would be to revamp mining entirely and make it considerably less boring as well as more interactive. This would make it easier to identify bots which everyone hates while making mining much less of a newbie killing profession. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team.
La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 703	Posted - 2013.02.03 14:29:00 - [3] - Quote Vexen Lyre wrote: La Nariz wrote: Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote: mining barge buffs Can't emphasize this enough the forum whining got mining barges their unwarranted EHP buffs. I thought it was because your alliance sponsored a massive in-game event that demonstrated just how easy and cheap it was to gank barges with T1 destroyers? you burned that candle to a stump, meight. that's why they buffed barges, forum whine was mostly ancillary. And what about all of the other years that this event occurred yet was not sponsored by us? The forum whine of "he kil my 325mil ship with 7mil ship" is what did it. Also don't forget the part that they could have tanked their ships and made themselves unprofitable to gank in the first place. The mining barge EHP buff was to specifically tell players "No, you cannot play the game that way." This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team.
La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 703	Posted - 2013.02.03 15:53:00 - [4] - Quote ^: The retriever yeah I agree but please show me the 2 month old newbie flying a hulk/mack. They don't exist those are not newbie ships. Pohbis wrote: La Nariz wrote: The mining barge EHP buff was to specifically tell players "No, you cannot play the game that way." Tell us, when did CCP remove your ability to shoot at barges? You say people could just have tanked barges to become unprofitable. Hmmm. Now they are unprofitable. So were tanking mods CCP's way of telling you "you couldn't play that way"? CCP Soundwave saying ganking shouldn't be profitable. That's a big "no you cannot play that way." This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team.
La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 703	Posted - 2013.02.03 16:14:00 - [5] - Quote Vexen Lyre wrote: It's actually possible to have the exhumer prereqs in under 2 months now. And yes of course they'll suck but remember the noob mentality, bigger and shinier is better. Okay paste the training plan with remaps and all right here for us as well as the income plan to generate enough isk to fund the ship all in the same period of time. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team.
La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 703	Posted - 2013.02.03 16:23:00 - [6] - Quote Pohbis wrote: La Nariz wrote: CCP Soundwave saying ganking shouldn't be profitable. That's a big "no you cannot play that way." But you can still gank barges. If you want to complain that it is not profitable, that's a whole other level of complaining. Ganking freighters isn't profitable either. Ganking the right freighters is. It's CCP telling you to pick the right targets. Put some effort into it. Risk/Effort/Investment vs Reward. CCP never intended for it to be profitable to gank a hull with basic fittings, and the reason why should be obvious to anyone who hasn't got their head stuck in the entitlement-sand. The bolded part is plain untruth. There already was much effort required and risk:reward in target picking. You'd have to have a warp in, an alt to move your stash of ships, a scanning alt to make sure the ship wasn't tanked and estimate your chances of success. You'd need to do ask yourself if the drop chance is worth the gank attempt. Much like hauling the ganker had control of their risk:reward ratios before the massive ganking nerfs. That thing you said about freighters is the same exact thing applied to miners. Those that tanked were not profitable, those that didn't were profitable. It's not about a plain hull being profitable its about people forgoing tank, maximizing their risk, to increase their yeild, maximizing reward. It was balanced high risk : high reward, now its been smashed by CCP, low risk : high reward because barges are now intrinsically tanked. CCP never intended for supercapitals to be used as they are today but you don't see any huge nerfs and massive "rebalancing" occurring. CCP never intended for nullsec to turn into garbage but you don't see any huge nerfs and massive "rebalancing" occurring. CCP never intended for lowsec to turn into garbage but you don't see any huge nerfs and massive "rebalancing" occurring. CCP never intended for AFK mining but you don't see any huge nerfs and massive "rebalancing" occurring. Do you see why CCP never intended "X" is a bad argument? They are using players to create content for their game so their intentions have no bearing on what is going on or how something is used. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team.
La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 703	Posted - 2013.02.03 16:49:00 - [7] - Quote Vexen Lyre wrote: no remap = 57 days. getting a barge and mining for several hours a day pays for it. Do the math, finish proving your point. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team.
La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 703	Posted - 2013.02.03 17:25:00 - [8] - Quote Vexen Lyre wrote: La Nariz wrote: Vexen Lyre wrote: no remap = 57 days. getting a barge and mining for several hours a day pays for it. Do the math, finish proving your point. that needs more than 2 seconds in evemon i'm kind of losing interest in internet argument. rich noob buys PLEX. I win now? Do the math or go away npc alt. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team.
La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 703	Posted - 2013.02.03 21:05:00 - [9] - Quote Pohbis wrote: La Nariz wrote: Do you see why CCP never intended "X" is a bad argument? Actually, no. None of your examples are true. Supers have gone through huge nerfs and buffs. Null isn't garbage, and due for an update. Lowsec got LVL5 agents and then FW, which is expanded upon a lot and they don't care about AFK mining, it's a supply/demand market. Just because CCP is slow to react, or doesn't get it right the first time, doesn't mean they don't do it when they feel the need to. Players create content, but within CCPs framework. Why? Because those FFA games are horrible game experiences. Hence why they all die in a fire. This proves you have no idea what you are talking about. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team.

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