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Vaerah Vahrokha
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Posted - 2013.02.03 16:38:00 -
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Hemp Invader wrote:Industry's not broken beyond repair but it needs some much needed fixes:
1. Remove Tech 2 BPOs Nobody can compete with that guy that has an uber researched tech2 BPO and can produce stuff without the need for a pos, pos fuel, laboratories, invention jobs, datacores, a vast number of BPCs and other consumables. If you can compete, you will gain far less for a way greater effort. This removal is needed because players that have joined eve since 2006(?) can't obtain these tech2 BPOs via a game mechanic.
Not needed. Intelligently done invention does to T2 BPOs what alchemy does to moon mining: can effectively counter and even corner them.
Hemp Invader wrote: 2. Ability to create a shopping list in-game Please add this so we don't need to create a google docs spreadsheet with what we need to buy, etc. If it can be corporation shared that would be great.
Could be nice but it's not needed, there are multiple 3rd party tools that do that in a so deep way that doing it in game would result in code bloat. Production tychoons would still win by using those better 3rd party tools.
Hemp Invader wrote: 3. Embargo Let us see who we're selling, from whom are we buying. If we don't want to help a corporation/alliance, so be it.
Does not exist in a RL exchange, does not exist in EvE exchange. Exists in RL contracts and... guess what... exists in EvE contracts.
Commodities are commodities. Markets are there to optimize demand and supply with efficient pricing, not to engross someone's ego or help his friends / enemies.
Hemp Invader wrote: 4. Ability to buy/sell from a specific market order The current mechanic allows bots to do the 0.01 isk games. You put the item up for sale at 100 million isk and some bot puts it in the next 5 seconds to 99.999999 million. If i want to buy from the 100 mil guy, let me do it.
That'd be terrible and would help RMTers while also voiding markets true function, which is to optimize exchanges at the best price and minimum spreads. Which involve taking stuff from within the spread not wherever one wants.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
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Posted - 2013.02.04 09:18:00 -
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Corey Fumimasa wrote: Markets are not entirely anonymous; especially on the retail level. Sony can charge a premium for the electronics because those items have a higher utility to a larger segment of the market; even though Toshiba has ta very similar QC record. The same holds true with their stock. As for raw materials Bethlehem steel is better than AHMSA , they both stamp their stock and charge accordingly.
Sony and Toshiba have their "stamped" shares and they sell with their ticker, yes. But the huge majority of shares are put on an exchange and they are anonymous (not covering the whole spectrum of shares, I know there are several kinds). The shares are the financial assets, like in EvE you have items as financial assets. Both have a producer / seller but both are anonymous (you don't really care to stamp a share with the middleman exchange or broker name). In EvE there's no important brand (although you do read who you bought stuff from), the "ticker" is the item name itself.
Corey Fumimasa wrote: Maybe Eve markets should be anon, but your argument about RL materials being anon is not entirely true.
RL commodities are commodities, that is precise contracts specifying how they are made, how / if they are delivered and so on. In some cases the manufacturer is also indicated but the large majority ignore it, since the precise specification makes all those commodities identical anyway.
Corey Fumimasa wrote: And the function of markets is to maximize utility not value. Utility is a subjective valuation that varies from person to person. If someone is bothered by decimal pricing they may well be happy to pay more for a similar product, hence utility has been maximized.
If the idea of non anonymous markets in Eve bothers you it might be better to just explain why it bothers you personally. Rather than misrepresent easily verifiable facts in order to try and support a position.
Markets maximize utility has been considered a strawman by some.
What I live every day by trading the RL markets is that the markets can't care the less to maximize utility, they usually minimize spread, close gaps and work in function of value. Value in the pockets of the market makers. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Vaerah Vahrokha
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Posted - 2013.02.04 09:22:00 -
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How does this relate to exchange traded commodities at all? Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Vaerah Vahrokha
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Posted - 2013.02.04 18:04:00 -
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Corey Fumimasa wrote:Maybe what should happen is that the consumer markets in eve should be separated from the investment markets. As it stands now they are the same interface. But it would be kind of neat if there was a difference; consumer markets could be set up to simplify and expedite the process of fitting ships and gear while the investment markets could be be given more tools for estimating things like future costs or transport expenses.
Regardless of the homogeneous nature of rl commodities those items do list source and transfer points for purposes of transparency and safety. Eve goods are also homogeneous, that fact in no way precludes the individualization of those items with specific information about source and history. In fact it would make the game a richer more interesting place. That by itself is enough reason to consider implementing such a thing; but the added bonus of allowing traders and manufacturers more options for interaction and conflict makes it a great idea that should be implemented.
The other sandbox MMO I am playing now has per item builder name and free form text that allow for "inscriptions". EvE cannot do it because it won't individually track items. It forces to pack them before selling (removing unique records saves some lots of database space) so all those specific informations get lost. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Posted - 2013.02.04 18:07:00 -
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Hannah Flex wrote:Hemp Invader wrote:what other resource is more important in eve than isk skillpoints
No. The most important resources are: time and reputation.
Anyone can get ISK or SP, few know how to minimize times (SP does help with it) and even fewer can go beyond the mechanical game and be trusted by investors so that they may leverage the trust to i.e. get ISK to further improve business and time-to-profit and much more. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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