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SinTeryx
Seamless Industries
192
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Posted - 2013.02.03 22:34:00 -
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Hey guys...ran a few level 4's last night in my Armageddon and struggled along. It was slow...my tank was pretty week. A corp mate gave me an Apocalypse and I started throwing together a fitting:
Apocalypse High: 7x Mega Pulse Laser II
Medium: 3x Cap Recharger II 1x Tracking Computer II (Optimal Range Script)
Low: 1x Damage Control II 1x Armor Hardeners (Depending on the mission enemies) 3x Imperial Navy Heat Sink 1x Large Armor Repairer II
Rigs: 3x Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Drones: 10x Hobgob II
I am cap stable at 52% with 28.4k EHP 600+ DPS based on charges.
Any input would be great! Thanks in advance! -Sin |

Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
801
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Posted - 2013.02.03 23:01:00 -
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there is no need to run cap stable for lvl4 missions. 10 minutes of cap is about as much as you'll ever need. i have never flown an apoc in missions myself but i would still advise you to add at least one more tracking comp for solid damage projection. aside from that, the fit looks fine to me.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF |

PMolkenthin
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
18
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Posted - 2013.02.03 23:26:00 -
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Try fitting a Micro Jump Drive. It's saved my Navy Apoc a few times when running plexes and sanctums. If you get neuted/webbed/scrammed, then hit the MJD, load scorch and move back in. |

SinTeryx
Seamless Industries
192
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Posted - 2013.02.04 01:52:00 -
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Apocalypse High: 7x Mega Pulse Laser II 1x Tractor Beam II
Medium: 2x Cap Recharger II 2x Tracking Computer II (Optimal Range Script)
Low: 1x Damage Control II 2x Armor Hardeners (Depending on the mission enemies) 2x Imperial Navy Heat Sink 1x Large Armor Repairer II 1x Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Rigs: 3x Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Drones: 10x Hobgob II
I am cap stable at 52% with 28.4k EHP 600+ DPS based on charges.
So I dropped some stuff and added a few others. What do ya think?
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Kasutra
Tailor Company Hashashin Cartel
132
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Posted - 2013.02.04 02:10:00 -
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You dropped a magstab in favour of an EANM. Don't do that!  |

vyshnegradsky
Organized-Chaos Apocalypse Now.
56
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Posted - 2013.02.04 02:17:00 -
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SinTeryx wrote:Hey guys...ran a few level 4's last night in my Armageddon and struggled along. It was slow...my tank was pretty week. A corp mate gave me an Apocalypse and I started throwing together a fitting:
Apocalypse High: 7x Mega Pulse Laser II
Medium: 3x Cap Recharger II 1x Tracking Computer II (Optimal Range Script)
Low: 1x Damage Control II 2x Armor Hardeners (Depending on the mission enemies) 3x Imperial Navy Heat Sink 1x Large Armor Repairer II
Rigs: 3x Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Drones: 10x Hobgob II
I am cap stable at 52% with 28.4k EHP 600+ DPS based on charges.
Any input would be great! Thanks in advance! -Sin
I'm sorry but have you not heard of the search function? There's even a thread about fitting the same damn ship right below this thread!
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=200825&find=unread This one's a bit over the edge guys.
Locked for breaking... well, pretty much all the rules.
- CCP Falcon |

SinTeryx
Seamless Industries
192
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Posted - 2013.02.04 02:48:00 -
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vyshnegradsky wrote:SinTeryx wrote:Hey guys...ran a few level 4's last night in my Armageddon and struggled along. It was slow...my tank was pretty week. A corp mate gave me an Apocalypse and I started throwing together a fitting:
Apocalypse High: 7x Mega Pulse Laser II
Medium: 3x Cap Recharger II 1x Tracking Computer II (Optimal Range Script)
Low: 1x Damage Control II 2x Armor Hardeners (Depending on the mission enemies) 3x Imperial Navy Heat Sink 1x Large Armor Repairer II
Rigs: 3x Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Drones: 10x Hobgob II
I am cap stable at 52% with 28.4k EHP 600+ DPS based on charges.
Any input would be great! Thanks in advance! -Sin I'm sorry but have you not heard of the search function? There's even a thread about fitting the same damn ship right below this thread! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=200825&find=unread
So I am required to post in another persons post about a different fit? Sorry I don't have the ISK to spend on a full navy fitting, and no...no it isn't the same fit. Move along.
Kasutra wrote:You dropped a magstab in favour of an EANM. Don't do that! 
Magstab? |

ACE McFACE
Holy Amarrian Battlemonk I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
1108
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Posted - 2013.02.04 03:59:00 -
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SinTeryx wrote:Kasutra wrote:You dropped a magstab in favour of an EANM. Don't do that!  Magstab? They meant heat sink. An EANM isn't a very good idea on a PvE fit (unless its incursions) because you get better resists from specific hardeners. Instead of the damage control and EANM you could have a thermic and EM hardener (If you were fighting Sansha or Blood Raiders) and you'll get a better tank. DUST514 isn't on PC because CCP wants 2 different communities influencing each other, not people tabbing out to give themselves Orbital Strikes. (Also they don't want to cannibalise their existing playerbase) |

SinTeryx
Seamless Industries
192
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Posted - 2013.02.04 04:17:00 -
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ACE McFACE wrote:SinTeryx wrote:Kasutra wrote:You dropped a magstab in favour of an EANM. Don't do that!  Magstab? They meant heat sink. An EANM isn't a very good idea on a PvE fit (unless its incursions) because you get better resists from specific hardeners. Instead of the damage control and EANM you could have a thermic and EM hardener (If you were fighting Sansha or Blood Raiders) and you'll get a better tank.
Ahhh...yea I just tossed that on there because I wasn't sure if using 2x of a specific module like that would be worth the penalty... |

Caitlyn Tufy
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
161
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Posted - 2013.02.04 07:49:00 -
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Basic Apocalypse:
Highs: Pulse Lasers
Mids: 2x Cap Recharger, 2x Tracking Computer
Lows: Large Repairer, 3x mission hardener, heat sinks
Rigs: CCC
Works like a charm. You won't be cap stable, but you don't need to be either. Once you've got the money, upgrade to navy version for even more oomph. |

ACE McFACE
Holy Amarrian Battlemonk I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
1109
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Posted - 2013.02.04 08:07:00 -
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SinTeryx wrote:ACE McFACE wrote:SinTeryx wrote:Kasutra wrote:You dropped a magstab in favour of an EANM. Don't do that!  Magstab? They meant heat sink. An EANM isn't a very good idea on a PvE fit (unless its incursions) because you get better resists from specific hardeners. Instead of the damage control and EANM you could have a thermic and EM hardener (If you were fighting Sansha or Blood Raiders) and you'll get a better tank. Ahhh...yea I just tossed that on there because I wasn't sure if using 2x of a specific module like that would be worth the penalty... EANM also gets a penalty, the higher the resist the less you get out of a module, even if you got the high resist from a different module (If that makes sense) DUST514 isn't on PC because CCP wants 2 different communities influencing each other, not people tabbing out to give themselves Orbital Strikes. (Also they don't want to cannibalise their existing playerbase) |

ACE McFACE
Holy Amarrian Battlemonk I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
1109
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Posted - 2013.02.04 08:08:00 -
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[Apocalypse, Pulse apoc Pve]
Armor Thermic Hardener II Armor Thermic Hardener II Imperial Navy Armor EM Hardener Imperial Navy Heat Sink Imperial Navy Heat Sink Imperial Navy Heat Sink Imperial Navy Large Armor Repairer
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script F-90 Positional Sensor Subroutines, Scan Resolution Script Imperial Navy Heavy Capacitor Booster, Cap Booster 800
Mega Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L Mega Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L Mega Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L Mega Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L Mega Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L Mega Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L Mega Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L Mega Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I Large Nanobot Accelerator I Large Energy Collision Accelerator I
Hobgoblin II x5 Hammerhead II x5
You don't need the faction stuff, but without it fitting everything is tricky, might need a CPU implant or consider using meta 4 tracking computers DUST514 isn't on PC because CCP wants 2 different communities influencing each other, not people tabbing out to give themselves Orbital Strikes. (Also they don't want to cannibalise their existing playerbase) |

vyshnegradsky
Organized-Chaos Apocalypse Now.
56
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Posted - 2013.02.04 10:28:00 -
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SinTeryx wrote:vyshnegradsky wrote:SinTeryx wrote:Hey guys...ran a few level 4's last night in my Armageddon and struggled along. It was slow...my tank was pretty week. A corp mate gave me an Apocalypse and I started throwing together a fitting:
Apocalypse High: 7x Mega Pulse Laser II
Medium: 3x Cap Recharger II 1x Tracking Computer II (Optimal Range Script)
Low: 1x Damage Control II 2x Armor Hardeners (Depending on the mission enemies) 3x Imperial Navy Heat Sink 1x Large Armor Repairer II
Rigs: 3x Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Drones: 10x Hobgob II
I am cap stable at 52% with 28.4k EHP 600+ DPS based on charges.
Any input would be great! Thanks in advance! -Sin I'm sorry but have you not heard of the search function? There's even a thread about fitting the same damn ship right below this thread! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=200825&find=unread So I am required to post in another persons post about a different fit? Sorry I don't have the ISK to spend on a full navy fitting, and no...no it isn't the same fit. Move along. Kasutra wrote:You dropped a magstab in favour of an EANM. Don't do that!  Magstab?
You use the fit as a base, just because it has faction equipment, doesnt mean it needs them. Downgrade if neccesary. That still doesn't stop you doing a quick google or forum search. Stop cluttering the place up.
This one's a bit over the edge guys.
Locked for breaking... well, pretty much all the rules.
- CCP Falcon |

ITTigerClawIK
Galactic Rangers R O G U E
194
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Posted - 2013.02.04 10:42:00 -
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Kasutra wrote:You dropped a magstab in favour of an EANM. Don't do that! 
magstab?
you fitting rails on your apoc??? |

SinTeryx
Seamless Industries
196
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Posted - 2013.02.04 13:54:00 -
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vyshnegradsky wrote:SinTeryx wrote:vyshnegradsky wrote:SinTeryx wrote:Hey guys...ran a few level 4's last night in my Armageddon and struggled along. It was slow...my tank was pretty week. A corp mate gave me an Apocalypse and I started throwing together a fitting:
Apocalypse High: 7x Mega Pulse Laser II
Medium: 3x Cap Recharger II 1x Tracking Computer II (Optimal Range Script)
Low: 1x Damage Control II 2x Armor Hardeners (Depending on the mission enemies) 3x Imperial Navy Heat Sink 1x Large Armor Repairer II
Rigs: 3x Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Drones: 10x Hobgob II
I am cap stable at 52% with 28.4k EHP 600+ DPS based on charges.
Any input would be great! Thanks in advance! -Sin I'm sorry but have you not heard of the search function? There's even a thread about fitting the same damn ship right below this thread! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=200825&find=unread So I am required to post in another persons post about a different fit? Sorry I don't have the ISK to spend on a full navy fitting, and no...no it isn't the same fit. Move along. Kasutra wrote:You dropped a magstab in favour of an EANM. Don't do that!  Magstab? You use the fit as a base, just because it has faction equipment, doesnt mean it needs them. Downgrade if neccesary. That still doesn't stop you doing a quick google or forum search. Stop cluttering the place up.
As stated previously...I bolded what you should take out of the text. If you are not going to help then why are you still here? Especially since I am "cluttering up the place" why would you keep bumping my topic? |

bloodknight2
Talledega Knights PLEASE NOT VIOLENCE OUR BOATS
57
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Posted - 2013.02.04 23:23:00 -
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N-I-G-H-T-M-A-R-E T-A-C-H-Y-O-N J-O-Y |

CMD Ishikawa
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.02.05 02:20:00 -
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PMolkenthin wrote:Try fitting a Micro Jump Drive. It's saved my Navy Apoc a few times when running plexes and sanctums. If you get neuted/webbed/scrammed, then hit the MJD, load scorch and move back in.
Can you use that when you are scrambled? |

Anachronic
Abacus Industries Group Aerodyne Collective
94
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Posted - 2013.02.05 02:29:00 -
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CMD Ishikawa wrote:PMolkenthin wrote:Try fitting a Micro Jump Drive. It's saved my Navy Apoc a few times when running plexes and sanctums. If you get neuted/webbed/scrammed, then hit the MJD, load scorch and move back in. Can you use that when you are scrambled?
As far as I know you lose functionality on the MJD if you are under a scram
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Caitlyn Tufy
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
162
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Posted - 2013.02.05 06:25:00 -
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CMD Ishikawa wrote:PMolkenthin wrote:Try fitting a Micro Jump Drive. It's saved my Navy Apoc a few times when running plexes and sanctums. If you get neuted/webbed/scrammed, then hit the MJD, load scorch and move back in. Can you use that when you are scrambled?
Yes, MJD works with NPC scram. The only things stopping it are player scramble and scripted warp disruption field. |

Vilnius Zar
Ordo Ardish
709
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Posted - 2013.02.05 06:30:00 -
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Caitlyn Tufy wrote:CMD Ishikawa wrote:PMolkenthin wrote:Try fitting a Micro Jump Drive. It's saved my Navy Apoc a few times when running plexes and sanctums. If you get neuted/webbed/scrammed, then hit the MJD, load scorch and move back in. Can you use that when you are scrambled? Yes, MJD works with NPC scram. The only things stopping it are player scramble and scripted warp disruption field.
MJD does not work with scram but as NPC don't scram (they point) it works in pve. Amat victoria curam. Excellence in everything.
Some guides that may be useful to you: http://www.youtube.com/user/OrdoArdish |

Kasutra
Tailor Company Hashashin Cartel
134
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Posted - 2013.02.05 15:30:00 -
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ITTigerClawIK wrote:Kasutra wrote:You dropped a magstab in favour of an EANM. Don't do that!  magstab? you fitting rails on your apoc??? Was posting drunk, my bad. |

SinTeryx
Seamless Industries
220
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Posted - 2013.02.05 17:15:00 -
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Kasutra wrote:ITTigerClawIK wrote:Kasutra wrote:You dropped a magstab in favour of an EANM. Don't do that!  magstab? you fitting rails on your apoc??? Was posting drunk, my bad.
Was drunk when I read it...made sense :) |

SinTeryx
Seamless Industries
220
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Posted - 2013.02.05 17:23:00 -
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As to the topic. I reworked the Apoc once again to be more tanky. I lost an apoc yesterday morning when I got pointed by a player while in an angel site =/ Anyways heres what I am running now...can tank almost anything as is.
Apocalypse High: 7x Mega Pulse Laser II
Medium: 4x Cap Recharger II
Low: 1x Adaptive Nano Plating II 1x Damage Control II 4x Armor Hardeners (Depending on the mission enemies) 2x Large Armor Repairer II
Rigs: 3x Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Drones: 10x Hobgob II
Doesn't kill quite as fast but can tank anything no problem =X
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ijustTOOKyourMONEY
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.02.05 17:32:00 -
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No such thing as Amarr ship for lvl 4 missions. That's if you want to be efficient. |

Caitlyn Tufy
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
164
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Posted - 2013.02.05 17:55:00 -
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Vilnius Zar wrote:MJD does not work with scram but as NPC don't scram (they point) it works in pve.
Stop being so nitpicky, it says web/scram on Survival, the dude asked if they can be used while scrambled, I gave the answer from NPC perspective. Grrr, using my own nitpickiness against me, I shall get you one day! /angry fist |

Kosetzu
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
57
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Posted - 2013.02.05 19:12:00 -
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SinTeryx wrote:As to the topic. I reworked the Apoc once again to be more tanky. I lost an apoc yesterday morning when I got pointed by a player while in an angel site =/ Anyways heres what I am running now...can tank almost anything as is.
Apocalypse High: 8x Mega Pulse Laser II (really why did you have 7 guns on it?)
Medium: 2x Cap Recharger II 2x Tracking Computer /w correct script for the range (carry both)
Low: -1x Adaptive Nano Plating II + Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II (deadspace/faction for better fitting/tank) -1x Damage Control II If you really want a DCU for EHP against gankers then fit it instead of the EANM + 3x Heat Sink 2x Armor Hardeners (Depending on the mission enemies) 1x Large Armor Repairer II (Really 2 is overkill)
Rigs: 3x Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Drones: 5x Hobgoblin II 5x Hammerhead II
Doesn't kill quite as fast but can tank anything no problem =X
Using a laser boat for angels isn't exactly optimal... Your problem wasn't the original fit, but where you used it. If a playing points you they will either die from rats, concord (if highsec), other players, or you will die. Having more tank will just prolong your death, and gimp your income so harshly that it's not worth it anymore. While lasers are cool and everything, I'd have to say use an autocannon ship like the Maelstrom against Angels...
Highlighted what I'd change, though just personal opinion of course. Sure it's pretty standard but it works really well. With a bit of tweaking around you can fit an MJD as suggested and teleport around the place so long as no players are scramming you.
Another thing to point out is more damage equals less time spent in one location equals less chance of enemy warping to you and scramming you. If you're in hostile terrotory/enemies in system stay aligned to some celestial you can warp off to the moment they appear on grid! (preferrably D-scan but people are lazy). |

Gitanmaxx
Viziam Amarr Empire
83
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Posted - 2013.02.06 17:33:00 -
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Here's what I use as my main level 4 boat. I know you don't have to be cap stable, but I do like to be when you're talking active rep because there's been a few times I've been scrammed or neuted and would have died without that much cap recharge. Also it's comforting. I went with a dual rep set up too because you can take so much damage and stay in the mission. I'm sure there's a more efficient way to mission, but this is a safe way to stay in it without having to go repair constantly and gives you enough of a buffer to stay in it without worry.
8x mega pulse laser II
4x cap recharger II
2x large armor repair II damage control II heat sink II cap power relay II 2x Hardners II (depending on what type of mission damage)
2x large capacitor control circuit I large auxiliary nano pump I
not the highest DPS, but it's cap stable running all guns and both large armor repairs which means you can be a little bit lazy and distracted in the mission and not lose it.
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Spencer Owl
Tartarus Ventures Surely You're Joking
7
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Posted - 2013.02.06 18:27:00 -
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Unfortunately active tanked armor ships don't work very well unless it's a Legion or Gallente (stupid rep bonuses). But that is soon to change as CCP acknowledges this. I'd expect them to lower the cap and fitting requirement in the coming months. While shield isn't as efficient it has the ability to modify that through use of rigs and mods. Not to mention it has an existing passive tank through recharge. There is no efficiency mod for armor reps only rigs (that slow your ass down) and armor doesn't repair itself. go with one faction large armor rep. Imperial navy usually works best. Mission specific hardeners and an EANM. Don't feel bad about the Cap problems. Every BS has them unless it's buffer fit. |

Kiteo Hatto
Equanimity Order
782
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Posted - 2013.02.06 18:36:00 -
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Having flown apoc from "barely fitted" to a max skilled paladin i advise you to just fly something else for Sansha/Blood raiders. HUGE pain in the rear with all the tracking disruption going on(have fun with blockade), that said.
8 megapulses 2 tracking comps/2 cap rechargers LAR+3 hardeners+heatsinks/tracking enhancer
^This is all T2 btw, no shiny stuff.
Thats the default setup and yeah, you want to be cap stable or nearly cap stable as much as possible because you never know how long it'll take you to kill those damn rats with ewar on you.
I also tried Apoc with 2 LARs and 2 hardeners but you need implants and max cap skills to make it last. "That's okay it annoys me when people pile on new definitions to the word sandbox every time CCP does something they don't like." - Alara IonStorm GD is where 60% of threads make you dumber and 10% which provide you with entertainment, the remaining 30% is a mix of both. |

Gitanmaxx
Viziam Amarr Empire
83
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Posted - 2013.02.06 18:44:00 -
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Spencer Owl wrote:Unfortunately active tanked armor ships don't work very well unless it's a Legion or Gallente (stupid rep bonuses). But that is soon to change as CCP acknowledges this. I'd expect them to lower the cap and fitting requirement in the coming months. While shield isn't as efficient it has the ability to modify that through use of rigs and mods. Not to mention it has an existing passive tank through recharge. There is no efficiency mod for armor reps only rigs (that slow your ass down) and armor doesn't repair itself. go with one faction large armor rep. Imperial navy usually works best. Mission specific hardeners and an EANM. Don't feel bad about the Cap problems. Every BS has them unless it's buffer fit.
True anything you can do with active armor tanking you can do better with shield tanking, especially because you can get the same amount of regen I get active tanking just by the passive you get from having a large buffer shield tank and don't have to sacrifice every other slot for cap recharges as well as your EHP to do it.....but I'm an armor purist (read masochist) so i stick with it. |
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