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Not Politically Correct
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Posted - 2013.02.04 00:05:00 -
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I mine a lot, and watch what I am doing.
It appears to me that, if I completely clear a belt, the next day it regens with all small rocks. 2 days later the rocks are back at full size.
Has anyone else seen this happen? |
RubyPorto
Sniggwaffe
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Posted - 2013.02.04 01:52:00 -
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That's how it's always worked.
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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
Cosmic Consortium
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Posted - 2013.02.04 06:36:00 -
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Ore is regenerated at a certain rate each day. If the rocks have disappeared, they will be respawned. If the rocks are already there, their contents are altered.
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Musashi Date
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Posted - 2013.02.04 07:16:00 -
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Similar thread link below, enjoy.
Is it possible, to "breed" heavier asteroids over a series of downtimes in high sec?: Disc
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=193162&find=unread |
Not Politically Correct
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Posted - 2013.02.04 16:24:00 -
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Okay. Let's try another step. I'm not so sure about this one.
It seems to me that, if a particular type of rock is cleared. that type will regen as small the next day.
For instance, suppose I mine all of the Veldspar out of a belt, but nothing else, and no one else mines there, the Veldspar will regen as small the next day, but the rest will regen as large. (Assuming that the belt hadn't been mined out for at least three days.)
Does that seem reasonable? |
RubyPorto
Sniggwaffe
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Posted - 2013.02.04 16:30:00 -
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Not Politically Correct wrote:Okay. Let's try another step. I'm not so sure about this one.
It seems to me that, if a particular type of rock is cleared. that type will regen as small the next day.
For instance, suppose I mine all of the Veldspar out of a belt, but nothing else, and no one else mines there, the Veldspar will regen as small the next day, but the rest will regen as large. (Assuming that the belt hadn't been mined out for at least three days.)
Does that seem reasonable?
Nope. The Veld roids will respawn as a random (weighted) assortment of each rock available in the belt.
Before Hidden belts, people would occasionally try to "breed" their belts in Nullsec to be closer to pure ABC by popping Low end roids, but only mining ABC roids until they were at a low level (avoiding popping them).
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Not Politically Correct
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Posted - 2013.02.04 16:41:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Not Politically Correct wrote:Okay. Let's try another step. I'm not so sure about this one.
It seems to me that, if a particular type of rock is cleared. that type will regen as small the next day.
For instance, suppose I mine all of the Veldspar out of a belt, but nothing else, and no one else mines there, the Veldspar will regen as small the next day, but the rest will regen as large. (Assuming that the belt hadn't been mined out for at least three days.)
Does that seem reasonable? Nope. The Veld roids will respawn as a random (weighted) assortment of each rock available in the belt. Before Hidden belts, people would occasionally try to "breed" their belts in Nullsec to be closer to pure ABC by popping Low end roids, but only mining ABC roids until they were at a low level (avoiding popping them).
Not sure I understand. That seems to disagree with my recent research.
For instance, I tried 10 different betls and counted every rock in those belts by type and by concentrate level. After the DT respawn, I counted them again. Exact same of number of rocks of each type and concentrate level in the belt. FWIW, they were actually all in the exact same places too. Bookmarks from the day before would take me right to certain rocks that were easily identifiable to me.
So I had a friendly mining corp come in and wipe out a few of them, then counted again after respawn. Same as above. The numbers were exactly the same, only the sizes were different.
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RubyPorto
Sniggwaffe
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Posted - 2013.02.04 22:49:00 -
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Not Politically Correct wrote:RubyPorto wrote:Not Politically Correct wrote:Okay. Let's try another step. I'm not so sure about this one.
It seems to me that, if a particular type of rock is cleared. that type will regen as small the next day.
For instance, suppose I mine all of the Veldspar out of a belt, but nothing else, and no one else mines there, the Veldspar will regen as small the next day, but the rest will regen as large. (Assuming that the belt hadn't been mined out for at least three days.)
Does that seem reasonable? Nope. The Veld roids will respawn as a random (weighted) assortment of each rock available in the belt. Before Hidden belts, people would occasionally try to "breed" their belts in Nullsec to be closer to pure ABC by popping Low end roids, but only mining ABC roids until they were at a low level (avoiding popping them). Not sure I understand. That seems to disagree with my recent research. For instance, I tried 10 different betls and counted every rock in those belts by type and by concentrate level. After the DT respawn, I counted them again. Exact same of number of rocks of each type and concentrate level in the belt. FWIW, they were actually all in the exact same places too. Bookmarks from the day before would take me right to certain rocks that were easily identifiable to me. So I had a friendly mining corp come in and wipe out a few of them, then counted again after respawn. Same as above. The numbers were exactly the same, only the sizes were different.
It's possible that CCP's stopped randomizing new rock spawns. Might have been part of why they've been able to amputate DT length (1hr-15min is amputation, not shortening).
Test it on SISI.
This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody.
"the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP)." -CCP Solomon |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
Cosmic Consortium
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Posted - 2013.02.04 23:45:00 -
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The rocks you pop will come back the next respawn.
If you bookmark all the dense veldspar in a belt and mine it all out, you will get dense veldspar at those locations tomorrow.
If you pop every rock in the belt, the exact same ore will respawn in that location next time.
Any competent belt miner has their belts bookmarked for optimal extraction: it is not worth harvesting Massive Scordite in Bawilan with strip miners since you will get less than a full cycle of T2 crystal + orca boosted yield. So you bookmark an optimal position in range of the rocks which respawn the greatest volume each cycle.
Or you run L1 missions to farm up asteroid-rich missions, and enjoy the pleasure of Scordite rocks containing 60-80k units of ore.
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Not Politically Correct
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Posted - 2013.02.04 23:55:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:
It's possible that CCP's stopped randomizing new rock spawns. Might have been part of why they've been able to amputate DT length (1hr-15min is amputation, not shortening).
Test it on SISI.
It seems to me that a lot of knowledge fron the 'old days' is still circulating.
No offense, but what I am looking for is experimental data from the period since the last upgrade.
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Not Politically Correct
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Posted - 2013.02.05 00:10:00 -
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Mara Rinn wrote:
Any competent belt miner has their belts bookmarked for optimal extraction: it is not worth harvesting Massive Scordite in Bawilan with strip miners since you will get less than a full cycle of T2 crystal + orca boosted yield. So you bookmark an optimal position in range of the rocks which respawn the greatest volume each cycle.
I have my belts bookmarked, but my Orca gives a 48 km wingspan. There are few occasions when I have to move in-belt. If that happens, the Orca is slaved to the primary miner. It actually seems to be faster than warping out, then in again. I realize that all miners don't have the advantages I do, but my real questions is about re-spawning.
There are a lot of variables in mining. I'm really having a lot of trouble controlling the ones that impact on the re-spawn of a particular type of ore in a particular type of belt.
I started another experiment today where I mined all of the Kernite out of one of my favorite systems.
When I got there it had 17 Firey Kernite, 2 Luminous Kernite and 1 Plain Kernite, but there was another miner there because I got up late. I'll mine it out again tomorrow. The number of units won't tell me much, but better than nothing. |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
Cosmic Consortium
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Posted - 2013.02.05 00:28:00 -
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Some belts are more than 50km diameter. I do the same as you for the smaller belts, though I try to get out of small blaster range of the belt warp in :)
I would suggest you lock up the asteroids and screen shot with the survey scanner results open. Then you can compare results from day to day by blinking between photos. You need to control for camera position and angle, and maybe post process to do fine adjustment. Have the camera zoomed out far to minimise the fish eye lens distortion of the scene (pincushion?).
Edit: 17 fiery kernite rocks in one belt?
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Not Politically Correct
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Posted - 2013.02.05 00:59:00 -
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Mara Rinn wrote:Some belts are more than 50km diameter. I do the same as you for the smaller belts, though I try to get out of small blaster range of the belt warp in :)
I would suggest you lock up the asteroids and screen shot with the survey scanner results open. Then you can compare results from day to day by blinking between photos. You need to control for camera position and angle, and maybe post process to do fine adjustment. Have the camera zoomed out far to minimise the fish eye lens distortion of the scene (pincushion?).
Edit: 17 fiery kernite rocks in one belt?
Several belts here have more, You just have to look for them.
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RubyPorto
Sniggwaffe
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Posted - 2013.02.05 01:16:00 -
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Not Politically Correct wrote:RubyPorto wrote:
It's possible that CCP's stopped randomizing new rock spawns. Might have been part of why they've been able to amputate DT length (1hr-15min is amputation, not shortening).
Test it on SISI.
It seems to me that a lot of knowledge fron the 'old days' is still circulating. No offense, but what I am looking for is experimental data from the period since the last upgrade.
And how does my suggestion not get you that data?
This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody.
"the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP)." -CCP Solomon |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
Cosmic Consortium
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Posted - 2013.02.05 01:19:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Not Politically Correct wrote:No offense, but what I am looking for is experimental data from the period since the last upgrade.
And how does my suggestion not get you that data?
It will get him the data, but NPC appears to be hoping that someone already has this data, collected since Retribution was released.
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Not Politically Correct
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Posted - 2013.02.05 01:40:00 -
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Mara Rinn wrote:RubyPorto wrote:Not Politically Correct wrote:No offense, but what I am looking for is experimental data from the period since the last upgrade.
And how does my suggestion not get you that data? It will get him the data, but NPC appears to be hoping that someone already has this data, collected since Retribution was released.
I've never see any of this data, and I was around before Incarna.
A link, maybe?
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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
Cosmic Consortium
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Posted - 2013.02.05 01:51:00 -
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No link, just stating the obvious that collecting the data yourself will end up with you having the data you were looking for :)
If it helps I will post my scan results from the belts that I frequent.
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Not Politically Correct
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Posted - 2013.02.05 02:10:00 -
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Mara Rinn wrote:No link, just stating the obvious that collecting the data yourself will end up with you having the data you were looking for :)
If it helps I will post my scan results from the belts that I frequent.
Sorry. It wouldn't mean anything to me. I don't use rock scanners.
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Not Politically Correct
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Posted - 2013.02.05 04:29:00 -
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Mara Rinn wrote:No link, just stating the obvious that collecting the data yourself will end up with you having the data you were looking for :)
If it helps I will post my scan results from the belts that I frequent.
I'm sorry. I missed your point.
My next question was going to be, "Why are so many people. experienced or not, and corps. experienced or not, interested in clearing belts, knowing that the next day they will have small rocks to mine?"
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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
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Posted - 2013.02.05 04:32:00 -
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Not Politically Correct wrote:
Not sure I understand. That seems to disagree with my recent research.
Go ahead. Go right ahead and discount 10 years of data and experience from other players WHOM YOU ASKED.
Sheesh.
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Krixtal Icefluxor
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Posted - 2013.02.05 04:35:00 -
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Not Politically Correct wrote: "Why are so many people. experienced or not, and corps. experienced or not, interested in clearing belts, knowing that the next day they will have small rocks to mine?"
Because the next day there are still plenty of other belts not mined out ? Mayhaps ? And the ones cleared will be just fine after 48 hours or so ?
Why do you even care ? Bored ?
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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
Cosmic Consortium
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Posted - 2013.02.05 04:38:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Not Politically Correct wrote:
Not sure I understand. That seems to disagree with my recent research.
Go ahead. Go right ahead and discount 10 years of data and experience from other players WHOM YOU ASKED. Sheesh.
Thank you for your constructive input to this discussion.
My experience over the last few years has been that the rocks come back exactly the same ore and location when they respawn. Ruby Porto claims otherwise. So between two experienced players there is disagreement.
You entering this thread with your disagreeable attitude is not going to help anyone.
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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
Cosmic Consortium
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Posted - 2013.02.05 04:41:00 -
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Not Politically Correct wrote:My next question was going to be, "Why are so many people. experienced or not, and corps. experienced or not, interested in clearing belts, knowing that the next day they will have small rocks to mine?"
If I mine the belt dry, first there's the immediate denial of resources to some other miner. Then there is the disincentive for them to come back tomorrow. Economic and morale victory! Though I am still mining. In hisec. So it is a Pyrrhic victory at best.
If you leave the rocks to get bigger, someone else will mine them out from under you. Harvesting gravel is better than harvesting nothing.
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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
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Posted - 2013.02.05 04:49:00 -
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Mara Rinn wrote:
My experience over the last few years has been that the rocks come back exactly the same ore and location when they respawn.
Sort of in general........but documented Veldspar regenerating as something else says otherwise.
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Krixtal Icefluxor
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Posted - 2013.02.05 04:51:00 -
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Mara Rinn wrote:Ruby Porto claims otherwise.
Here is the key aspect of the thread's bad issues right here and writ large.
This is pretty much always the case with him unless you haven't noticed.
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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
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Posted - 2013.02.05 04:52:00 -
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Mara Rinn wrote:
You entering this thread with your disagreeable attitude is not going to help anyone.
....as if I were a troll ? Puh-lease, Louise.
America is the only country to go from barbarism to decadence (and back to barbarism - KI) without civilization in between.
- Oscar Wilde - 1870's |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
Cosmic Consortium
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Posted - 2013.02.05 05:00:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Sort of in general........but documented Veldspar regenerating as something else says otherwise.
Documented where? Be helpful.
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RubyPorto
Sniggwaffe
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Posted - 2013.02.05 05:02:00 -
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Mara Rinn wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Sort of in general........but documented Veldspar regenerating as something else says otherwise.
Documented where? Be helpful.
What? Krixtal? Helpful? No...
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Not Politically Correct
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Posted - 2013.02.05 06:25:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Not Politically Correct wrote:
Not sure I understand. That seems to disagree with my recent research.
Go ahead. Go right ahead and discount 10 years of data and experience from other players WHOM YOU ASKED. Sheesh.
You seem to be suggesting that there have been NO changes in belt re-spawning since the game was created?
You also seem to be suggesting that I accept what other people tell me instead of what I see?
You also seem to be suggesting that YOU would rather believe what someone has told you than do the research yourself?
I guess the only response I can think of is, "Good luck."
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Not Politically Correct
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Posted - 2013.02.05 06:52:00 -
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I live in a small, Hi Sec system, and I am not primarily a miner.
I usually mine 1 x Orca of Firey Kernite a day while waiting for other corpies to log on.
There is a mining corp in the system that seems to like to clear belts.
I'm wondering "Why". They should know that they are shooting themselves in the foot for at least two days worth of mining.
It really doesn't make any difference what they do, I still get my Orca filled whenever I feel like it. I'm not trying to deprive them of mining opportunities, and it doesn't appear that they are trying to deprive me, or anyone else, of mining opportunities.
So what is going on? |
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