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Yaboo Sux
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.02.05 12:32:00 -
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Not Politically Correct wrote:I mine a lot, and watch what I am doing.
It appears to me that, if I completely clear a belt, the next day it regens with all small rocks. 2 days later the rocks are back at full size.
Has anyone else seen this happen?
It`s a universal mechanic, you have started on the observation and data collection over time, you have noted it has a repeatable pattern so you continue to observe until the mechanic is revealed.
Most intelligent/educated miners knew it after 1 week of the new mechanic being introduced and have used it to their commercial advantage. It pays to have lots of uninformed miners out there (who are acting just like bots when all is said and done) as they waste cycles and self harm their potential returns which keeps prices for competent miners higher.
When you get an understanding, keep it to your self, it is so easy to work out that those who don-Št, don-Št really deserve to know.
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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
3403
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Posted - 2013.02.05 14:17:00 -
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Not Politically Correct wrote:
You also seem to be suggesting that YOU would rather believe what someone has told you than do the research yourself?
My 'research' has consisted of mining and observing results for over 3 years now. America is the only country to go from barbarism to decadence (and back to barbarism - KI) without civilization in between. - Oscar Wilde - 1870's |

Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
444
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Posted - 2013.02.05 14:47:00 -
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Not Politically Correct wrote:Mara Rinn wrote: Any competent belt miner has their belts bookmarked for optimal extraction: it is not worth harvesting Massive Scordite in Bawilan with strip miners since you will get less than a full cycle of T2 crystal + orca boosted yield. So you bookmark an optimal position in range of the rocks which respawn the greatest volume each cycle.
I have my belts bookmarked, but my Orca gives a 48 km wingspan. There are few occasions when I have to move in-belt. If that happens, the Orca is slaved to the primary miner. It actually seems to be faster than warping out, then in again. I realize that all miners don't have the advantages I do, but my real questions is about re-spawning. There are a lot of variables in mining. I'm really having a lot of trouble controlling the ones that impact on the re-spawn of a particular type of ore in a particular belt. I started another experiment today where I mined all of the Kernite out of one of my favorite belts. When I got there it had 17 Firey Kernite, 2 Luminous Kernite and 1 Plain Kernite, but there was another miner there because I got up late. I'll mine it out again tomorrow. The number of units won't tell me much, but better than nothing. There are some differences as to how belts work in high sec compared to low sec. In high sec they as others have stated respawn the same type and location. Each belt has a pre-defined layout the only variation is in size.
In high sec if a astreroid is not popped it will respawn the next day larger, if it is popped it will respawn at a random base size, usually very small. By mining a belt carefully, so you do not pop any rocks each down time the rocks will get bigger.
It has long been the practice of some miners to farm belts in this way. After several weeks they end up with these farmed belts having far larger rocks that an unfarmed belt. This is also the case in back water systems where there are no miners, the rocks are relatively untouched so are much bigger.
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Ekaterina 'Ghetto' Thurn
Department 10
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Posted - 2013.02.05 14:58:00 -
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Rocks stay in the same locations in a belt and stay the same type. For example if you completely mine a Veldspar rock it will come back at that exact same location as a Veldspar rock . It won't respawn as a different type or sub-type of ore. Regarding recovery rates I haven't studied that aspect that much. We used to set up lines of GSC's approximately 5km apart within range of the best rocks. About fifteen GSC per belt. That worked quite well until they started 'disappearing' well before the thirty day limit and even though they were anchored & passwords set. It seemed to be a CCP problem/bug but they wouldn't have it so we stopped using that method a long time ago. Good times though.  |

Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
445
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Posted - 2013.02.05 17:19:00 -
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Ekaterina 'Ghetto' Thurn wrote:Rocks stay in the same locations in a belt and stay the same type. For example if you completely mine a Veldspar rock it will come back at that exact same location as a Veldspar rock . It won't respawn as a different type or sub-type of ore. Regarding recovery rates I haven't studied that aspect that much. We used to set up lines of GSC's approximately 5km apart within range of the best rocks. About fifteen GSC per belt. That worked quite well until they started 'disappearing' well before the thirty day limit and even though they were anchored & passwords set. It seemed to be a CCP problem/bug but they wouldn't have it so we stopped using that method a long time ago. Good times though.  In high sec yes, But results seem to be different in Null sec. Static grav sites are one thing, but null sec belts seem to function differently than high sec belts. Many null sec miners believe that popping rocks they may respawn as another type. This has been proven wrong in high sec, but I have not seen evidence either way for null sec. Aside from some null sec dwellers insisting that null sec belts are not static like high sec belts are. |

Dave Stark
1832
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Posted - 2013.02.05 19:35:00 -
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i've been systematically emptying the same belt in high sec every day directly after downtime for weeks.
here's what happens. there seems to be a three day cycle, where every third day the asteroids will be "smaller" (contain less ore) the other 2 days they are "full". asteroids always spawn in the same location as the same type. "100k for notifications of stupidity, i love this bounty system." |

Not Politically Correct
Veerhouven Ventures
138
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Posted - 2013.02.06 00:09:00 -
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Ooops. I think I have proven my second theory to be false.
As I said, I cleared a belt of all Kernite yesterday. Today I didn't take anything but the Firey Kernite. Estimated value is the same as yesterday.
That suggests to me that the 3 day cycle doesn't start unless the whole belt is cleared.
Next I'm going to try scanning a particular rock, in a particular belt, to see if leaving it alone makes it larger. |

Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
3061
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Posted - 2013.02.06 00:19:00 -
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Not Politically Correct wrote:Next I'm going to try scanning a particular rock, in a particular belt, to see if leaving it alone makes it larger.
Yes, it will get larger, by the same amount of ore that would have spawned in that satge of the respawn cycle. Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |

Not Politically Correct
Veerhouven Ventures
138
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Posted - 2013.02.06 00:30:00 -
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Mara Rinn wrote:Not Politically Correct wrote:Next I'm going to try scanning a particular rock, in a particular belt, to see if leaving it alone makes it larger. Yes, it will get larger, by the same amount of ore that would have spawned in that satge of the respawn cycle.
That may be true, but I have the time to find out for myself. I feel better when I do that.  |

RubyPorto
Sniggwaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
2580
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Posted - 2013.02.06 05:47:00 -
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Not Politically Correct wrote:Mara Rinn wrote:Not Politically Correct wrote:Next I'm going to try scanning a particular rock, in a particular belt, to see if leaving it alone makes it larger. Yes, it will get larger, by the same amount of ore that would have spawned in that satge of the respawn cycle. That may be true, but I have the time to find out for myself. I feel better when I do that. 
I would once again like to suggest SISI so that your results are highly unlikely to be skewed by other player's activities. Also (if you're interested in that) you'd be able to figure out how it works in null. This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody.
"the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP)." -CCP Solomon |

Not Politically Correct
Veerhouven Ventures
139
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Posted - 2013.02.08 23:30:00 -
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Bugsy VanHalen wrote: In high sec if a astreroid is not popped it will respawn the next day larger, if it is popped it will respawn at a random base size, usually very small. By mining a belt carefully, so you do not pop any rocks each down time the rocks will get bigger.
It has long been the practice of some miners to farm belts in this way. After several weeks they end up with these farmed belts having far larger rocks that an unfarmed belt. This is also the case in back water systems where there are no miners, the rocks are relatively untouched so are much bigger.
Have you checked this personally? I have. It is not true. Rocks only have 3 sizes: Small, Medium, and Large. That is why there is a 3 day cycle.
As to rocks getting bigger if untouched: Have you checked that personally? I have.
I have been observing 4 Plain Scordite rocks in a system named Seiradih, in Domain, for four days now. Seiradih is kind of out of the way, has no station, and the belt isn't one that I would willingly mine. Guess what? The rock scanner has given the exact same data all four days. I haven't mined them, and it appears to me that no one else has. If they are increasing in size, I would have to describe the rate as 'glacial'.
I do have to admit that I don't stay there 23.5/day to see what really happens.
Someone above said they think that anyone who doesn't already have this information, doesn't deserve it.
I disagree.
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Not Politically Correct
Veerhouven Ventures
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Posted - 2013.02.09 01:48:00 -
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Yaboo Sux wrote:Not Politically Correct wrote:I mine a lot, and watch what I am doing.
It appears to me that, if I completely clear a belt, the next day it regens with all small rocks. 2 days later the rocks are back at full size.
Has anyone else seen this happen? It`s a universal mechanic, you have started on the observation and data collection over time, you have noted it has a repeatable pattern so you continue to observe until the mechanic is revealed. Most intelligent/educated miners knew it after 1 week of the new mechanic being introduced and have used it to their commercial advantage. It pays to have lots of uninformed miners out there (who are acting just like bots when all is said and done) as they waste cycles and self harm their potential returns which keeps prices for competent miners higher. When you get an understanding, keep it to your self, it is so easy to work out that those who don-Št, don-Št really deserve to know.
I didn't intend to waste time on a reply to this. But I have no idea what you are trying to do, or why you posted it.
The idea is to keep mining types informed, so that they don't do things that hurt their own mining efforts. |

Yaboo Sux
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2013.02.09 23:41:00 -
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Not Politically Correct wrote: Rocks only have 3 sizes: Small, Medium, and Large. That is why there is a 3 day cycle.
Basically correct but also fundamentally wrong.
Your data set is far too limited, it`s what you assume at present in a perfect world.
You need to include outside effects (others eating it at any and all of the said stages you reference).
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Kaivar Lancer
Bounty Hunter Confederation
245
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Posted - 2013.02.09 23:57:00 -
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In hi sec belts that are heavily mined, I've noticed ALOT of higher-grade ore, e.g. concentrated veldspar, dense veldspar.
Out in low sec, 90% of ore is plain vanilla ore. e.g. veldspar.
If asteroids respawn exactly the same, why is low sec ore so crap? |

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
3791
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Posted - 2013.02.10 00:11:00 -
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Kaivar Lancer wrote:In hi sec belts that are heavily mined, I've noticed ALOT of higher-grade ore, e.g. concentrated veldspar, dense veldspar.
Out in low sec, 90% of ore is plain vanilla ore. e.g. veldspar.
If asteroids respawn exactly the same, why is low sec ore so crap?
Dense Veldspar etc. are often left to themselves as their size does not justify the waste on laser cycle. The majority of miners won't scan roids and interrupt the laser mid cycle accordingly. Others don't want to uselessy shorten the crystals lifecycle instead.
A low sec 190k roid is so much efficient. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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