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Jerry T Pepridge
Meta Game Analysis and Investment INC.
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Posted - 2013.02.06 01:56:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: Every game I play for some reason people start trusting me. Then they share things with me that don't want to necessarily tell to everybody. In this case the OP told me basically what's posted here plus a little detail that makes his proposal a bit more valuable. I did not want to talk about the detail because some idiot would easily mistake it for endorsement. Don't be that idiot.
try again.
for someone so "thorough" and mess up major details, only leads to one thing.
You thought OP had BPO's & were ready to check them in the future, when his OP says he is buying researched prints.
drivel? if want to read that, please read your candlestick thread.
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Alex Grison
Grison Interstellar
101
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Posted - 2013.02.06 01:59:00 -
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Jerry T Pepridge wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: Every game I play for some reason people start trusting me. Then they share things with me that don't want to necessarily tell to everybody. In this case the OP told me basically what's posted here plus a little detail that makes his proposal a bit more valuable. I did not want to talk about the detail because some idiot would easily mistake it for endorsement. Don't be that idiot.
try again. for someone so "thorough" and mess up major details, only leads to one thing. You thought OP had BPO's & were ready to check them in the future, when his OP says he is buying researched prints. drivel? if want to read that, please read your candlestick thread.
Drivel is a good word, and people should use it more. |

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
3777
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Posted - 2013.02.06 02:03:00 -
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Jerry T Pepridge wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: Every game I play for some reason people start trusting me. Then they share things with me that don't want to necessarily tell to everybody. In this case the OP told me basically what's posted here plus a little detail that makes his proposal a bit more valuable. I did not want to talk about the detail because some idiot would easily mistake it for endorsement. Don't be that idiot.
try again. for someone so "thorough" and mess up major details, only leads to one thing. You thought OP had BPO's & were ready to check them in the future, when his OP says he is buying researched prints. drivel? if want to read that, please read your candlestick thread.
We had a discussion about his lack of BPOs and how ideally these IPOs are done by locking BPOs at a 3rd party. The OP can confirm this point.
The rest - of course - you throw statements without having been there but that's not unexpected off yours. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Jerry T Pepridge
Meta Game Analysis and Investment INC.
7
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Posted - 2013.02.06 02:06:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: We had a discussion about his lack of BPOs and how ideally these IPOs are done by locking BPOs at a 3rd party. The OP can confirm this point.
The rest - of course - you throw statements without having been there but that's not unexpected off yours.
no, you didn't, you may have had a discussion about some BPO's but thats not public record is it?
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:he got the characters manufacturing skills and the BPOs
read it how you want.
op is your alt for all we know, OP cannot confirm anything. |

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
3777
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Posted - 2013.02.06 02:11:00 -
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Jerry T Pepridge wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:he got the characters manufacturing skills and the BPOs read it how you want. op is your alt for all we know, OP cannot confirm anything.
Lol that was an EXAMPLE and was completely unrelated with this IPO 
I have NO idea if the OP can factually manufacture even a Rifter. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Jerry T Pepridge
Meta Game Analysis and Investment INC.
7
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Posted - 2013.02.06 02:11:00 -
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when you put yourself in the public spotlight and expect ppl to trust you as a 3rd party, you shouldn't post lies, or rush your posts, ppl are excpecting the truth from so-called 3rd parties, not a bunch of rubbish when you get called out.
chribba/grendall is a good one to follow, i suggest getting posting lessons from them. |

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
3777
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Posted - 2013.02.06 02:20:00 -
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Jerry T Pepridge wrote:when you put yourself in the public spotlight and expect ppl to trust you as a 3rd party, you shouldn't post lies, or rush your posts, ppl are excpecting the truth from so-called 3rd parties, not a bunch of rubbish when you get called out.
chribba/grendall is a good one to follow, i suggest getting posting lessons from them.
I did not tell any lie nor rush anything. What the investees tell me is their only choice to make it publicly detailed or not. Nor I am going to detail how / if / when they had / have / will have BPOs unless they allow me to, all those informations can be used against them by competitors. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Scion Lex
LEX Investments
31
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Posted - 2013.02.06 02:32:00 -
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Sounds like a circus to me. Post your API and link your spreadsheets or don't ask the public for money. If this was real, he wouldn't even ask people he doesn't have relationships with. No one would, it wouldn't make sense. People don't spread the wealth. Especially when the wealth is more than what they have or would stand to make. Until CCP implements changes to the way shares function the only measuring stick of trust is your personal relationship with the individual running the fund. Anything else, including the entire 'secondary market' is and always will be a scam by default. |

Jerry T Pepridge
Meta Game Analysis and Investment INC.
7
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Posted - 2013.02.06 02:32:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: I did not tell any lie nor rush anything. What the investees tell me is their only choice to make it publicly detailed or not. Nor I am going to detail how / if / when they had / have / will have BPOs unless they allow me to, all those informations can be used against them by competitors.
well, your post, mislead more than just me (i didn;t call you out on it originally, did I), when read in conjunction with the OP there is an obvious mistake. He didn't have a pos/BPO/characters, nor any idea how to manufacture , from the read of the OP & the subsequent responses,
Your post implies he does, thus putting you in the precarious position, that you are in now, defending accusations of being in leagues with OP.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
3777
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Posted - 2013.02.06 02:41:00 -
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Jerry T Pepridge wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: I did not tell any lie nor rush anything. What the investees tell me is their only choice to make it publicly detailed or not. Nor I am going to detail how / if / when they had / have / will have BPOs unless they allow me to, all those informations can be used against them by competitors.
well, your post, mislead more than just me (i didn;t call you out on it originally, did I), when read in conjunction with the OP there is an obvious mistake. He didn't have a pos/BPO/characters, nor any idea how to manufacture , from the read of the OP & the subsequent responses, regardless of how confident & detailed your conversation was. Your post implies he does, thus putting you in the precarious position, that you are in now, defending accusations of being in leagues with OP. you posted without reading the offer.
He posted the offer after I told him to, so I am quite aware of what he wants to do. Now try running some imagination and figure out how somebody could be checked for BPOs (existance, research done so it's not a total fake etc) even without having them in his "immediate ownership". I won't say more, because that'd really go against his privacy. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Jerry T Pepridge
Meta Game Analysis and Investment INC.
7
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Posted - 2013.02.06 02:44:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: He posted the offer after I told him to, so I am quite aware of what he wants to do. Now try running some imagination and figure out how somebody could be checked for BPOs (existance, research done so it's not a total fake etc) even without having them in his "immediate ownership". I won't say more, because that'd really go against his privacy.
we don't need to check for BPO's
its in his OP, his business plan is to buy BPO's, not be checked for them, no-where in the OP he mentions an existing production line. which is again, what only you (not OP) are inplying.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
3777
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Posted - 2013.02.06 02:58:00 -
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Jerry T Pepridge wrote: we don't need to check for BPO's
its in his OP, his business plan is to buy BPO's, not be checked for them, no-where in the OP he mentions an existing production line. which is again, what only you (not OP) are inplying.
I am quite sure the Investors would like to have BPOs checked even if it's not "needed", since it's a "step ahead" compared to a full total nothing. All my post content was not in the original prospectus which was thought before the in game convo (so of course there's no mention of it) and is optional and only if I get asked for it. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Claire Coffee
Coffee Inc
63
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Posted - 2013.02.06 03:00:00 -
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I LIED! I can't skip this thread :(
While Jerry is being a fail alt of Syds who tends to lose badly fit Ravens while being a null-sec pet running around pointing fingers at anyone possessing better ideas and income than his own I declare invalidity of his points further on.
I shall seal this statement with RECTANGULAR *hint-hint* ribbon on his foreheads shall I meet him in person, which I doubt will ever happen, therefore you'll have to take my "reputable" word for that.
/thread? :-) DRINK COFFEE Do stupid things Faster with More Energy |

Jerry T Pepridge
Meta Game Analysis and Investment INC.
7
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Posted - 2013.02.06 03:09:00 -
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Claire Coffee wrote:I LIED! I can't skip this thread :(
While Jerry is being a fail alt of Syds who tends to lose badly fit Ravens while being a null-sec pet running around pointing fingers at anyone possessing better ideas and income than his own I declare invalidity of their points further on.
I shall seal this statement with RECTANGULAR *hint-hint* ribbon on their foreheads shall I meet them in person, which I doubt will ever happen, therefore you'll have to take my reputable word for that.
/thread? :-)
a wh bear calling a nullsec player a pet.
heres the thread by the way VV
took me a while to remember the name.
google cosmoray + VV name
i was posting under my old old troll alt, misty mcginnity, who got recycled so i could pass an api check. |

Syds Sinclair
Aliastra Gallente Federation
16
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Posted - 2013.02.06 06:07:00 -
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Claire Coffee wrote:I LIED! I can't skip this thread :(
While Jerry is being a fail alt of Syds who tends to lose badly fit Ravens while being a null-sec pet running around pointing fingers at anyone possessing better ideas and income than his own I declare invalidity of his points further on.
I shall seal this statement with RECTANGULAR *hint-hint* ribbon on his foreheads shall I meet him in person, which I doubt will ever happen, therefore you'll have to take my "reputable" word for that.
/thread? :-)
..My small ammount of time in nulsec on this pilot doesn't mean much to this topic of conversation.
But I will tell you what means much: you taking time out of your day to find tidbits about me. I'm assuming you we're looking for scams or scam attempts. Hell, I bet you would have been happy to find serious accusation thrown at me. But alas, all of your snooping only yielded a few silly Raven fits I lost in nulsec. Sorry Claire.
And another thing that matters. Saveritrader has publicly stated that any future production IPO's will be fully secured.
Chalk one up for the good guys! Lets look at the scoreboard, shall we?
Watchdogs - 1 Shills - 0
VV, Pepridge is doing what he has set out to do: make ridiculous statements and then spend all effort required to defend those ridiculous statements.....by saying more ridiculous statements.
VV, I think you and a majority of MD know what you are and what you stand for.
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Jerry T Pepridge
Meta Game Analysis and Investment INC.
7
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Posted - 2013.02.06 06:19:00 -
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Syds Sinclair wrote: VV, Pepridge is doing what he has set out to do: make ridiculous statements and then spend all effort required to defend those ridiculous statements.....by saying more ridiculous statements.
lol, i like it, ridicuous is calling vv out for what he is is it? pop calling kettle black lmao?
interesting, did you look up the old cosmoray threads? where MD "audited" him & he went on to scam right? no-one seems to care now, coz the MD of then has quit only a few left.
ridiculous is calling OP & claire coffee the same person, you come on so strong in first few posts, but quickly turned into another buttkisser, just like the rest.
making it as hard as possible for others(by w/e means neccessary), and making it as easy as possible for me + friends.
you call it ridiculous, i call it emergent gameplay |

Syds Sinclair
Aliastra Gallente Federation
16
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Posted - 2013.02.06 06:30:00 -
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..Jerry.
Don't take the portion about you in my post as an insult. I like what you do. Your antagonistic just for its own sake. Problem is, everyone knows it and for the most part disregards your posts. I just think it doesn't serve any purpose other then to give you and a few other readers some amusement. Which is cool if that's your thing.
On that note, I also like what I LIKE IT does. I like his corp name also. I'd like I see his character more fleshed out in the upcoming weeks. It would be great if some of the people he invested with would post his mails.
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Jerry T Pepridge
Meta Game Analysis and Investment INC.
7
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Posted - 2013.02.06 07:11:00 -
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Syds Sinclair wrote:..Jerry.
Don't take the portion about you in my post as an insult. I like what you do. Your antagonistic just for its own sake. Problem is, everyone knows it and for the most part disregards your posts. I just think it doesn't serve any purpose other then to give you and a few other readers some amusement. Which is cool if that's your thing.
kk, plenty read do though, for some reason ppl sending me likes, what is this? lol
thanks for geting the repsonses u got, made thread extra funny too lol
look at me going all soft. |

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
3777
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Posted - 2013.02.06 09:26:00 -
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Jerry T Pepridge wrote: interesting, did you look up the old cosmoray threads? where MD "audited" him & he went on to scam right? no-one seems to care now, coz the MD of then has quit only a few left.
How does it relate with "we have argued before about this exact thing, like when you audited a few scams (enabling them) a few years back." I only read that a guy (who used to be hugely trusted more than me newbie at the time) decided to breach the TOS and post his full API key on his own initiative.
Edit:
Also, for what I know there's no way for an audit to prevent a scam. It's entirely possible that a guy makes himself "formally OK" by training the required skills and creating API activity records by doing what he claims. All I (or anyone else) can do is to read the records and see if they match the claims, if he fabricated his legitimacy it's not something anyone can know. Until CCP starts delivering mind reading APIs at least. But since you seem to keep sand in your vag for so long to recall and misrepresent years old threads, then you should also be able to recall the dozens of threads where this trite dead horse (audits = information and deterrant, audits <> security) has been flamed at heart. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
3777
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Posted - 2013.02.06 10:21:00 -
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Not sure why this post has been deleted from the forums but I try reposting it:
Jerry T Pepridge wrote: interesting, did you look up the old cosmoray threads? where MD "audited" him & he went on to scam right? no-one seems to care now, coz the MD of then has quit only a few left.
How does it relate with "we have argued before about this exact thing, like when you audited a few scams (enabling them) a few years back." I only read that a guy (who used to be hugely trusted more than me newbie at the time) decided to breach the TOS and post his full API key on his own initiative.
Edit:
Also, for what I know there's no way for an audit to prevent a scam. It's entirely possible that a guy makes himself "formally OK" by training the required skills and creating API activity records by doing what he claims. All I (or anyone else) can do is to read the records and see if they match the claims, if he fabricated his legitimacy it's not something anyone can know. Until CCP starts delivering mind reading APIs at least. But since you seem to keep sand in your vag for so long to recall and misrepresent years old threads, then you should also be able to recall the dozens of threads where this trite dead horse (audits = information and deterrant, audits <> security). Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Claire Coffee
Coffee Inc
67
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Posted - 2013.02.06 12:08:00 -
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Syds Sinclair wrote:
..My small ammount of time in nulsec on this pilot doesn't mean much to this topic of conversation.
But I will tell you what means much: you taking time out of your day to find tidbits about me. I'm assuming you we're looking for scams or scam attempts. Hell, I bet you would have been happy to find serious accusation thrown at me. But alas, all of your snooping only yielded a few silly Raven fits I lost in nulsec. Sorry Claire.
And another thing that matters. Saveritrader has publicly stated that any future production IPO's will be fully secured.
Chalk one up for the good guys! Lets look at the scoreboard, shall we?
Watchdogs - 1 Shills - 0
VV, Pepridge is doing what he has set out to do: make ridiculous statements and then spend all effort required to defend those ridiculous statements.....by saying more ridiculous statements.
VV, I think you and a majority of MD know what you are and what you stand for.
Yet again, your perception of reality is better locked away for good. Yeah, I spent 0 minutes 23 seconds to dig through your KB, then I had a solid 5 minutes of rolfing so it was worth it. And for your info, EVERY WH player will instantly search for KB of person in question. I'm surprised hard knocks inc. didnt' teach you that. 
About security requirement I told Sav before he even created this thread and therefore much before you even opened your mouth. I also recommended contacting VV cause I'm in no way an expert on shares, which apparently brought a lot of trouble to VV. Ouch 
And as for watchdogs Thanks for the laughs you're giving. You've missed two real scams last week and ASSUMED and ACCUSED a legit businessman to boredom. Yeah, go, go, watchdogs... chasing your own tail. DRINK COFFEE Do stupid things Faster with More Energy |

Syds Sinclair
Aliastra Gallente Federation
16
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Posted - 2013.02.06 12:33:00 -
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Claire Coffee wrote:
About security requirement I told Sav before he even created this thread and therefore much before you even opened your mouth.
In Sav's OP he states there will be no security. He makes the same statement a few posts later.
So eh though you told him "before he even created this thread," it wasn't until I, and other posters, opened our mouths that he changed his mind.
Me - 1 Shill - 0
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Claire Coffee
Coffee Inc
67
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Posted - 2013.02.06 14:10:00 -
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Syds Sinclair wrote:Claire Coffee wrote:
About security requirement I told Sav before he even created this thread and therefore much before you even opened your mouth.
In Sav's OP he states there will be no security. He makes the same statement a few posts later. So eh though you told him "before he even created this thread," it wasn't until I, and other posters, opened our mouths that he changed his mind. Me - 1 Shill - 0
This was a discussion and it's okay to suggest things / change minds / take different courses of action (my statements were based on info I have which was noted in the post that caused your erection, and it's not my problem with you having less info), but you're seeing scammers everywhere, pointing fingers, accusing and insulting people you don't even know. Your standard are low and you're deemed unworthy of continuation of further discussion.
dismissed, dog. DRINK COFFEE Do stupid things Faster with More Energy |

Syds Sinclair
Aliastra Gallente Federation
16
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Posted - 2013.02.06 14:30:00 -
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..I don't have to know the people. My perception of a person has no bearing on a topic such as this. All I need to know for an IPO like this is the business plan and the amount of security.
Yes I did point fingers. I pointed them at an IPO proposal which leaves 17b of investor ISK at risk. I also pointed fingers at a person who is acting like a shill and acting like he's/(she's) in cahoots with the originator of a risky IPO. I don't see a problem wih either of those actions. Why do you?
My standards are high, as you should take notice of the high standard of IPO quality I encourage originators to comply with. You, Claire, seem to be okay with low quality IPOs.
And finally Claire, this is Eve. Better yet, this is the MD forum of Eve. There ARE scammers everywhere. Maybe you should go watch the "Eve is real" video by CCP. |

Claire Coffee
Coffee Inc
67
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Posted - 2013.02.06 14:49:00 -
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I'm not sure why I keep replying, but whatever.
I know what is the risk of investments, I actually do invest, do you? I don't invest something I can't afford to lose. did you read that part in THAT post? There are scammers around, but there are a lot of decent people around too that don't get fingers pointed at them and screamed at "LOOK, HIS IS A GOOD GUY". - you call it being a Shill, I call it having high standards and supporting worthy people.
If a person is doing good, follows agreements, achieving stuff, I have NO problem recommending this person. Especially if the person is new to trading and marketing. If the person decides to take another course of action, then I will not be able to recommend that person again. And probably will not be recommending anyone else. But so far, I'm yet to slip. Hopefully not at all.
This is EVE but there are living and breathing people behind the wheels. Some are good, some are bad. But calling someone good or bad based on assumption is not my style of doing things.
Thanks. DRINK COFFEE Do stupid things Faster with More Energy |

Syds Sinclair
Aliastra Gallente Federation
16
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Posted - 2013.02.06 15:07:00 -
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..I didn't call the person good or bad. I called the iPO plan bad.
Not on assumption. My claims were based in facts.
On the topic of people.
You Claire seem like a cool person. You post a lot and create content. Your posts are good reads. As for Saveritrader, he's seems like a cool dude also. Well formed posts and polite.
I wouldn't have a problem with flying with either of you, or discussing different areas of conversation. I don't think either of you are bad people.
The IPO, however. Your adamant defense of Sav, however. That I don't care for. |

Saveritrader
Sav Trading Invictus Void
7
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Posted - 2013.02.06 22:43:00 -
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Wow this thread has really took a turn to the negative. It was quite supposed to be a somewhat constructive thread in the first place, with a little back and forth on some points.
I am sorry for ever asking about this, to be quite honest. |

Syds Sinclair
Aliastra Gallente Federation
16
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Posted - 2013.02.06 22:49:00 -
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..Sav, I think you have a problem seeing the forest through the trees.
What you call negative IS the constructive back and forth. |

Saveritrader
Sav Trading Invictus Void
7
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Posted - 2013.02.06 23:02:00 -
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Yeah I am more talking about Jerry and VV's back and forth about investigations and blaming eachother. I do have to say that in the conversation with VV, it has been brought up that the BPOs should be locked by a 3rd party. The fact that jerry thinks I'm an alt of VV, that I can confirm is not the case.
Make it however you want to believe me, but honestly... Paranoia has gone a bit too far with some.
I also don't know where jerry got the idea that I can't manufacture anything from, because stating as my posts I do not need to put out an eveboard link because this is not an IPO. This is a discussion thread. All I can say is that whatever I plan on manufacturing, I am fully capable of doing as such. Why else would I even bring up the point of setting up an IPO in production, if I was not capable of doing so?
I am sorry if I caused any trouble, because that was not my intention. I do however think that this case is pretty much closed already, since my future production IPOs will be secured. |

Syds Sinclair
Aliastra Gallente Federation
17
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Posted - 2013.02.06 23:09:00 -
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..Oh I see, yeah the Jerry and VV thing should have been handled in its own thread.
But ignoring that, it looks like this bread accomplished exactly what you wanted it to: ironing out a solid IPO plan. So awesome, good job.
I'd like to see this venture launched. If I were you, I'd start a some conversations with Grendel, Chib, and maybe VV so see what they can do as far as locking the BPO's down. |
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