It was somewhat unexpected, and I don't make a habit of recording my calls and honestly wouldn't know how to if I needed to. It went something like this:

*Phone rings. I see it's the Google Voice number, yet again. I answer with...*

Me: This is Bob.
Google World Champion: Hello, *name*, you owe me some I - S -K (yes, he spelled it out)
Me: Who is this?
GWC: Take a guess. Probably one of the hundreds of people you've robbed.
Me: What are you talking about?
GWC: Is this *name*?
Me: No, man. This is Bob. Weren't you listening?
GWC: When will *name* be back?
Me: There's no one here by that name. This is my cell phone, dude. Just me.
GWC: What's your name?
Me: Robert Davidson.
GWC: And there's no *name* there?
Me: No, dude. Sorry.

*click*

edit: I was getting dinner with a friend when that call came in. He looked rather confused when I said my name was Bob.

And yes, I want this guy to know what I did to him.

Please tell me background story?

Sure do hope he decides to post in this thread

WOOOOWWWW!!!!!!!! that dude is beyond mad, you could get him banned lol. ooohhh the rage that would insure from that. This probably falls under personal threat or harassment of some kind. Absolutely hilarious.
Someone contact the cancer research firm, these tears can cure cancer.

Aaaaand it makes Redditt:

http://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/17wm8l/being_harassed_because_of_eveonline_and_i_dont/

And yet the carebears call people like us sociopaths...

Is that a blaster Legion in the second Raven kill or are my eyes broken

Dont get me wrong, nothing against griefing - used to do it myself (alt) but always makes me smile when a 'badass' griefer has to post 'just in case' hes getting stalked lol.

I mean dude you griefed him, now hes griefing you - and doing a pretty good job of it if you ask me.

Eve is a game of consequences, you got to understand that your 'trolling' after the fact has hurt his feelings - thats RL man, you r just getting RL trolled in return.

Now for all this crying 'waah waah, its just a game' - well when someone rages its RL - accept the consequences ...**** theres chinese WoW players getting beheaded for less.

There are lots of RL consequences to this game - dare I say tech moons, RMT, CCP, Plex manipulation.


.......Duuuuuude EVE IS REAL!!! lol

Eve is a game, if your internet spaceship blows up it's real feelings don't confuse that with taking it outside the game.
Sorry to say broh but you're living too much in eve.

No You are missing the point entirely.

Put your brains in gear and read.............

Personally myself I couldnt give a damn what happens in game - understand? if so good.

I am simply saying that there are consequences to all actions, believe it or not even in RL.

I'm not sure how the kids are growing up these days - maybe you are all too soft, or believe the world is soft.

As scrubby kids if we picked on the fat kid in school and made him cry, it was accepted if he had a nutter for big brother he would kick seven bells of **** out of us.

How do you solve this? - easy dont pick on the fat kid with the psycho big brother.

If you dont understand this then I just hope you somehow survive RL (maybe you live in the RL version of hi-sec)

What you going to do when the disgruntled asian WoW player raises his katana - tell him its only a game?

http://blog.knowyourmoney.co.uk/index.php/2010/02/5-real-life-video-game-tragedies/

You're thinking too much about stuff.
I'm aware that some people only want to live because of games, and they take it all personally and stuff if someone makes that an unhappy experience for them. Just as OP have shown, but to me it's all RP.

I mean dude you griefed him, now hes griefing you - and doing a pretty good job of it if you ask me.

Dude, everything ingame is fair game. Outside of game is where it becomes serious.

I don't know about you, but I believe I would have grounds to call police in my country. (depending how bad this out of game 'harassment' is).

Dude, everything ingame is fair game. Outside of game is where it becomes serious.

I don't know about you, but I believe I would have grounds to call police in my country. (depending how bad this out of game 'harassment' is).

Eve is a game of consequences, you got to understand that your 'trolling' after the fact has hurt his feelings - thats RL man, you r just getting RL trolled in return.

Right up until he involved family members and ex-girlfriends, we were having a laugh about it. In fact, this thread was--and still is--about epic tears that flowed into real life. At the same time, it has become about a person so engrossed in a game that he believes in-game wrongdoings are license for real-life harassment not just of those doing it, but anyone he can find that might know them.

Nothing, and I mean NOTHING, justifies doing something that can make another person's loved ones feel threatened.

We're pretty sure we know who this guy is now.

Except the police only actually do anything after a crime is committed. They are a bit like Concord in that respect ....WTF!!! Eve is Real!!

Nothing, and I mean NOTHING IN GAME, Should justify doing something that can make another person's loved ones feel threatened.

Fixed that for you. (before it spills into RL issues)

Nope. I stand by my words exactly as I wrote them. I don't care if a nutjob kills your whole family...that does NOT entitle you to kill HIS family. If they weren't involved, they shouldn't pay the price.

Nothing, and I mean NOTHING IN GAME, Should justify doing something that can make another person's loved ones feel threatened.

Fixed that for you. (before it spills into RL issues)

so you know who he is - do you take retribution in game ..or out?

You are dumb.

"I wish these griefers would realize there are consequences to actions, in game or out of it."

Seriously? You kept discussing WoW players overreacting, so I'm assuming you're actually taking this context as people finding it absurd that things happen related to games. Absurdity isn't the issue, it's just recognizing that actually doing things outside of the game based on ingame actions is a sign of someone who has no grip on reality.

You are dumb.

"I wish these griefers would realize there are consequences to actions, in game or out of it."

Seriously? You kept discussing WoW players overreacting, so I'm assuming you're actually taking this context as people finding it absurd that things happen related to games. Absurdity isn't the issue, it's just recognizing that actually doing things outside of the game based on ingame actions is a sign of someone who has no grip on reality.

token post by someone who can't be bothered to read the whole thread.

...and look he called a toon dumb, or did he mean the guy behind the toon?

Surely not - that would be taking Eve into RL.

Would be awesome if you were to supply that information on the 'options' available.

When it comes to real life ongoing serious legal matters, it's generally advised not to discuss such things on an internet forum.

The options available are not legal matters they are a guide to online bullying

So in other words you are full of **** - thought so.

That was your chance to do something constructive for the community.

A worthless end to a worthless thread.

Signing out due to lack of intelligent content.

o7

Ill just leave this here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyberbullying
http://itlaw.wikia.com/wiki/Cyber_threat

The options available are not legal matters they are a guide to online bullying

So in other words you are full of **** - thought so.

Actually, I'm filing a police report with what information I have this morning. Not that the information is enough to act on, but it's enough to have the guy's name on file should something go down.

Further confirmation of his identity would require subpoenas, and frankly I don't feel threatened enough to go that route. Should this champion of idiocy pursue this any further today, I won't have much choice.

Actually, I'm filing a police report with what information I have this morning. Not that the information is enough to act on, but it's enough to have the guy's name on file should something go down.

Further confirmation of his identity would require subpoenas, and frankly I don't feel threatened enough to go that route. Should this champion of idiocy pursue this any further today, I won't have much choice.

Hang on a minute, am I reading this right?

You are accusing me of threatening you in real life?

Is this what you are saying?

Oh dude this is so funny I cant believe it.

I try to offer an opinion on a thread where some nutter trolls you through the internetz ...and you have no clue what to do so accuse me?
Did you actually read any of my posts or just fail troll them?

Awesome - I'm calling you out m8 bring it on.

******* idiot lol

LOL. What. That post has everything to do with the CNR pilot who went crazy and nothing to do with you.

The guy is a clown for calling you out of game or contacting your friends.

Out of curiosity, what did he contact people with? I don't know the countries involved, but simply making a phone call or making unsolicited communication are not crimes in of themselves. His communications don't appear threatening to me, though that is a matter of opinion.

Defamation, libel or slander don't apply.

Ordering Pizza to your house can be construed as defrauding the restaurant and possibly identity theft (depending on whose name he put on the order). If he paid by credit card and used his real name, then having Pizza delivery made to your place is at best a violation of the delivered TOS.

I apologize if this is too lawyerly but I don't yet see what law he broke, other than common sense and decency.

Adding to the list of childish things done in revenge for the loss of an internet space ship, I'm finding that he has apparently signed me up to receive a catalog of gay ****...probably to the same family member's address that he sent the pizza to.

I'm just going to go ahead and put it out here that Theory666 is unstable and should in no way be trusted in Eve Online, however, feel free to open fire on his character, and to dutifully reduce his ships to smithereens if you see him.

Dude, everything ingame is fair game. Outside of game is where it becomes serious.

I don't know about you, but I believe I would have grounds to call police in my country. (depending how bad this out of game 'harassment' is).

Adding to the list of childish things done in revenge for the loss of an internet space ship, I'm finding that he has apparently signed me up to receive a catalog of gay ****...probably to the same family member's address that he sent the pizza to.

I'm just going to go ahead and put it out here that Theory666 is unstable and should in no way be trusted in Eve Online.

Also, I am going to hope that you reported this activity to CCP so they can take the appropriate steps.

Eve is a game of consequences, you got to understand that your 'trolling' after the fact has hurt his feelings - thats RL man, you r just getting RL trolled in return.

QFT

QFT

You people can't honestly believe that.

He was duped into a bad situation in a game, and his response was to:

1) Make harassing phone calls and text messages
2) Call someone's ex-girlfriend
3) Send pizza to the house of a family member
4) Order a pornography catalog, presumably to that same house.
5) Apparently attempt to access my Yahoo! e-mail account, as I received an e-mail regarding attempted access

How could anyone consider that a reasonable escalation?

There's something of an implied threat when you go outside well-established in-game communications to contact someone. He could have eve-mailed me. Convoed me. Followed me around in local spamming it up. Instead, he proceeded to stalk me, my corpmates, and anyone he could find connected to us.

If I call your mother fat and you can't think of a good verbal retort, it's not acceptable for you to respond by hitting me instead. There's a point at which it's not okay to escalate behavior. This guy crossed it. He's unbalanced and needs help.

Then don't scam and troll.

Then don't scam and troll.

Nothing justifies harassing somebody in real-life, making threat calls and annoying / scaring their family.

Nothing justifies blurring the line between make-believe and the real world.

He was scammed and trolled on a game where scamming and trolling are part of everyday gameplay.

If you can't see how wrong you are, and how wrong it is to take videogame issues into the real world, you need urgent psychiatric treatment. You are either a sociopath or worse.

EVE is a videogame.

Says the person condoning RL tear farming. Hypocrite.

You are a very sick person, then.

If somebody is crying over a videogame, this somebody is too involved with it, and probably needs counseling; which is why normal, healthy people find it so amusing and funny.

Whatever, man. My intuition says you're an alt, and I hope CCP will do the right thing so I don't have to see your ugly portrait in these forums any more.

Good day.

And good luck with life - having this much hatred in your heart must be time-consuming.

If I call your mother fat and you can't think of a good verbal retort, it's not acceptable for you to respond by hitting me instead

Being from the South, I can assure you that calling someone's mother fat where I grew up was more than enough reason to get a mudhole stomped in your ass.

Says the person who takes joy from people's pain in RL. Hypocrite.



Normal people do not find causing someone pain amusing. Sick people do.

H.Y.P.O.C.R.I.T.E.

^This. Big time. I mean I sort of get what you're saying, but bad analogy imo.

Normal people don't suffer emotional distress from losses in a video game. Sick people do.

Says the person who takes joy from people's pain in RL. Hypocrite.



Normal people do not find causing someone pain amusing. Sick people do.

H.Y.P.O.C.R.I.T.E.

Wow, this thread is bringing out all the crazies.

First of all, congrats to my Skunkworks bros on eliciting some epic, career topping tears. You guys should write a book, "The Noob who Cried All the Way to Toronto," by Floppy and Monk (imagining that you guys live in Toronto for some inexplicable reason).

Second of all, to the rest of you - EVE is a role playing game. Some people choose to play the role of the bad guys. It would be a pretty boring game if nobody did so. It has absolutely no reflection on who they are or what they do in RL. If you are that emotionally wrapped up in your PVE boat, then you seriously need some kind of intervention. Go outside and get some fresh air, take a walk, and ask yourself seriously if some silly Internet spaceship game is really worth all that. In a way these "griefers" and "pirates" provide a service to the game community by bringing these stories out and giving us perspective on the game, reminding us that Eve isn't real after all.

Normal people don't like causing that distress in the first place. Fight and gank and scamming is one thing, but this culture of tear collection is nothing but cancer that needs purged from this game. PvP use to be about the fight and the fun. Scamming was about the rush of the action.

Now, it's all about enjoying someone elses suffering. I don't care if you think I'm nuts for my opinion. I'm frankly sick of this culture of tear collection and extreme griefing via verbal abuse (i.e. cyber bullying) rearing it's ugly head in Eve. And I will speak out against it.

Normal people don't like causing that distress in the first place. Fight and gank and scamming is one thing, but this culture of tear collection is nothing but cancer that needs purged from this game. PvP use to be about the fight and the fun. Scamming was about the rush of the action.

Now, it's all about enjoying someone elses suffering. I don't care if you think I'm nuts for my opinion. I'm frankly sick of this culture of tear collection and extreme griefing via verbal abuse (i.e. cyber bullying) rearing it's ugly head in Eve. And I will speak out against it.

First of all, congrats to my Skunkworks bros on eliciting some epic, career topping tears. You guys should write a book, "The Noob who Cried All the Way to Toronto," by Floppy and Monk (imagining that you guys live in Toronto for some inexplicable reason).

Second of all, to the rest of you - EVE is a role playinggame. Some people choose to play the role of the bad guys.

It would be a pretty boring game if nobody did so. It has absolutely no reflection on who they are or what they do in RL.

If you are that emotionally wrapped up in your PVE boat, then you seriously need some kind of intervention. Go outside and get some fresh air, take a walk, and ask yourself seriously if some silly Internet spaceship game is really worth all that.

In a way these "griefers" and "pirates" provide a service to the game community by bringing these stories out and giving us perspective on the game, reminding us that Eve isn't real after all.

In the US (especially in Texas) you'd have grounds to shoot him on sight if it's bad enough.

@Unit CA108AF

You are completely insane. And a very obvious alt, possible Theory666's.

First of all: PLEASE, STOP talking about Real-Life Consequences. There is no such thing as this is a GAME. Cause and Consequence is only acceptable WITHIN the game. Taking "consequences" to real-life is not only insane, IT IS A CRIME in many countries.

Please, GTFO.

LOL U SUCK CRY MOAR NOOB GB2 WOW.

PLAY MY WAY OR I KEEP YOU FROM DOING YOUR THING U NOOB U SUCK GTFO LOLOL YOU FAIL YOU SHULD AN HERO.

I can't speak for everyone in my profession, but I'm on speaking terms with most of the best people in my in-game profession and I can tell you that outburts like the above are not the norm for us. And they certainly did not happen in this case. We were very civil. We were certainly firm in our positions, but very civil.

In fact, the sort of thing you used as an example above occasionally gets heaped upon us and we take it *as* tears.

I apologize for the lack of specifics in terms of my grievances. Obviously the above terminology is not the norm, clearly. But my point still stands in terms of just how much taunting is too much taunting. How much do you have to egg someone on? That's my issue.

But thank you for being civil in your retort with me, unlike some people in this thread.

Dude, I have been watching Skunks for a couple years, as well as the rest, and even been on the receiving end of one of their wardecs. They only taunt those who come crying about it.

Then lol back at them a bit. If they continue, just cancel the conversation. One does not abstain personal responsibility for causing someone more and more grief by egging them on. If it's getting out of control after a few lines, close the convo and block. Don't troll back hard enough to make people feel that bad in the first place.

Don't cry about pixels, and this won't be an issue. I have gotten mad about losing my pixels once or twice. First time I took an eve break because I was so emotionally invested it was bad for me, and the second time, well, I saw what I was doing and just started laughing.

Part of trolling people who do that is to make it clear that those people need to stop playing. Being that invested in an imaginary world is not a good thing, and if you are that invested, you need to get away from it. Sadly, you won't get away from it until you are made to feel absolutely awful about it.

Everyone in EVE is my opponent. I will taunt them as I choose.

This is not soccer. I am not here to simply "play the game." I am here to destroy people, destroy corporations, and yes, to reap tears at the destruction I wage.

I expect my opponent to do no less with me.

EDIT: All in game of course. I could careless about their real lives, though I do find it funny when they use it as an excuse to being bad.

Then don't make them cry about the bloody pixels. What's so hard to understand about this? Is civility really so alien to the PvP community now? And why can't people read? Ganking is not my problem, it's the trolling and verbal abuse that continues AFTER the fact.


Who are you to not only abuse them verbally, but tell them not to play? And look who's talking. Griefers who troll in an extreme manner are wrapped up in their own little imaginary world that they must beat their virtual chest against their victim JUST to get a reaction. That is sick, plain and simple. I don't care how much you people hide behind "ccp's definition." The world and people see it as abuse. And guess what? You're not pod pilots, you're people. Clearly messed up people at that.

Leave the tear collection culture behind.

Everyone in EVE is my opponent. I will taunt them as I choose.

This is not soccer. I am not here to simply "play the game." I am here to destroy people, destroy corporations, and yes, to reap tears at the destruction I wage.

I expect my opponent to do no less with me.

EDIT: All in game of course. I could careless about their real lives, though I do find it funny when they use it as an excuse to being bad.

You need to step back, and probably get some therapy to help you distinguish between the real world and a video game. The mocking comes AFTER the tears, not before, in 90% of the cases of tear collection in this game.

@Unit CA108AF

If you are not satisfied with the game, quit.

The game is great as it is, the cause and consequence in-game are what sets it apart from other games, and CCP supports it fully as is. You are completely ****** up in the head, and you're not going to change it. It is your idea that committing crimes in real-life are acceptable behavior that I find completely ****** up (just in case it isn't obvious enough to you). Again, there is no such thing as real-life consequences to make-believe realities.

We tried to explain to you a hundred times that if people cry over a videogame, they are in the wrong. You keep replying with the same nonsense over and over. It's nobody's job to make other players happy in a videogame. If we choose to kill, grief, whatever, it's all part of the game, and has nothing to do with our private lives.

Are you proposing that before we adversly effect someone's gameplay we should ask them questions about their mental state and if losing these pixels will cause them to feel anguish?

You're very amusing. I need to get therapy because I'm calling out bullying for what it is? If you have a limited world view and cannot see that actions online do indeed seep into the real world, and that the two will NEVER be exclusive to each other, that's your problem. Get educated.

You need therapy because you can't tell the difference between make believe land and real life.

I call out RL bullies, and people who bring RL into it, but as long as it remains in the game, ITS NOT REAL.

Do you understand the concept of fiction?

Are you proposing that before we adversly effect someone's gameplay we should ask them questions about their mental state and if losing these pixels will cause them to feel anguish?

But I'm sick and tired of internet bullies hiding behind the "it's only a game" excuse as if it's a free pass to justify their horrible actions.

This particular response by Floppy during the email exchange stood out to me:

You spent all that time trying to analyze us and why we do what we do..have you considered just how sick a puppy you must be? Because Monk and I would never stoop to such levels. What I find somewhat alarming is that you seem to have no concept of just how wrong your behavior has been. I said before that I play a bad guy on the internet. I wonder just how much of a mask your "good guy" character is.

I think we can all agree that Theory666 took this too far.

I frequently use the Monopoly analogy, but let me use two others and see if that resonates with you.

1) You've bought a movie ticket. The movie you went to see is depressing. You went to it anyways and underestimated exactly how sad the movie is. You find yourself feeling actually super sad. What do you do? Do you just sit there and being soul-crushingly depressed? Do you go to the theater manager or the studio that made the film and demand a reissue or an apology or a refund? Do you simply leave?

In my opinion, only one of those is an appropriate reaction.

2) You've entered into an MMA tournament. You get hit. It hurts. Do you harass your opponent's family and friends after the match? Do you make sure you harden up before the next fight? Do you immediately surrender the match and quit the tournament? (Two of these are appropriate responses.)

Eve is a cutthroat game. No one has ever tried to sell it as anything else. It is the brain equivalent of a full contact sport. If you don't wanna get punched you don't get into a boxing ring. If you can't tolerate having your ships blown up and you carebear assumptions that you brought in from somewhere else questioned, then don't play eve. There's are thousands of non-contact MMOs. We only have one full-contact MMO.

You can't live your life based on the assumption that you could, at any time, be dealing with an unreasonable crazy person. Instead, if you happen across a crazy person, you deal with it appropriately.

Again, the blowing up isn't my problem, it's what follows....why are people not getting this?

A differing world view. Hope for the best, expect the worst. The way the world is going, it is best to be very careful with everyone you deal with unless you know them well.

It is irresponsible to assume a stranger is a kind hearted level headed soul willing to take jabs and trolling, in game or the real world (especially the later).

Because the only thing that has happened here is that his ship got blown up and we demanded isk or assets from him in order for him to get out of a rough spot. Those are completely acceptable and normal things within the context of this game.

Check the chat logs. We didn't call him names. We didn't tell him he was a terrible human being.

And that's not just *us*. In my experience that's most of the people in our profession. There are exceptions, obviously, but by far, in our line of work, the dominate trend is to speak rationally and enjoy what tears we get as a side effect. This isn't howler monkeys gibbering at each other.

And yes, many of us enjoy the tears we get. It shows us we're doing our job well in the same way that swollen eyes show a fighter he's winning or that a crack in an opponents poker face tells you that you've played your hand better.

Why? This is a game in which your opponent being put off-balance is a huge factor in victory or defeat? If I step into an MMA ring should I assume my opponent has a thin skull, or should I assume that he or his trainer wouldn't have put him in the ring if that's the case?

A cage fight is a very different situation than a verbal confrontation with a potentially psychotic individual.

The giving of corp roles was arguably lame/douchey, but I can also see how it could be used as an additional enticement (to trick the victim into letting his guard down) so I consider it legitimate.

The tears were priceless. I don't grief or scam (I've tried suicide ganking twice, was successful once) but it's still funny to see grown men cry (like the 'this is my last post in this thread' guy, for another example.) EVE is a harsh game. When you **** up (and we all do) don't say a word. If you react emotionally you are merely compounding your error and victimizing yourself again.

The RL intimidation/harassment was totally unacceptable.

As to the separate issue of whether people who spend hundreds of hours a year being in-game sociopaths are likely sociopaths irl, I tend to agree with Unit CA. (You wouldn't spend the bulk of your free time making other people miserable if you didn't REALLY enjoy making other people miserable.) But this isn't the place to make that argument because it makes it look like you're trying to justify the rl harassment, and that behavior is inexcusable.

Consequences happen. You are not invincible behind your computer. Act like a decent human being. Eve is not a pass to act like a jerk without consequence.

Sorry but enjoying someone's pain and suffering says a lot for their real world personality.

Back then, people used to actually help the victim learn and get better. Some still do thank Gods. Because of that, they're better players.

I don't know what country you live in, but in mine he's committed a crime, alright. Calling somebody on the phone to demand ISK is quite enough. Harassment is not funny, nor legal.

Hope for the best, expect the worst.

That just happens to be one of the "favorite" quotes on this peron's Facebook page.... Curiouser and curiouser.

Oh god, I didn't even notice that. Excellent find!

Also, it seems he's retracted his like since we made our knowledge of it public. Don't worry dude, I've got your profile bookmarked. It's called "THIS GUY MIGHT HAVE KILLED ME". You know...just in case.

This entire thread is beginning to give me the opinion that Eve's bad guys are among the better human beings playing the game. It's appalling how many of you online do-gooders are leaping to defend the actions of a person who took a game so seriously that he set out to harass them in real life AND INVOLVE OTHER PEOPLE IN HIS STUNTS.

you just dont get it dont you? most of their arguments boils down NOT about defending the reaction this person had, but YOUR part in which caused this whole fiasco in the 1st place. Its undefinable YOUR OWN actions directly attributed to outcome, however outrageous it is. Get this through that thick skull of yours thats filled with useless defense "but this is a game that guy should know better". Stuff like this happens in real world,. Get over it learn from it and move on. Or are you living in an even bigger hello kitty world than those crazy carebears?

It's appalling how many of you online do-gooders are leaping to defend the actions etc pp.

I read it thank you very much. Do you know pointing this out doesnt help his 'position' even one bit? He managed to get himself take the big boot even though he wasn't originally involved? LOL

It's appalling how many of you online do-gooders are leaping to defend the actions etc pp.

Personally, I enjoy how everyone is saying that it's Floppie's, Monk's, and the rest of Skunkworks' fault that this dude went way over the line here.

Do you people realize that your line of argument is akin to saying that a woman who dresses provocatively, is flirty, and even somewhat of a tease is at fault for getting raped by an unstable dude? You know, she shouldn't have dressed/acted like that because there are crazy people in the world. It's the same line of reasoning- she did things that riled the guy up, possibly infuriated him. The guy then acted out in a way that is not OK, but it's still her fault because she provoked it.

Seriously, what in the hell is wrong with you people? Even if you disagree with griefing, or think it's not ok, the only person responsible for Theory's conduct is Theory. Not Floppie. Not Monk. Not the pizza guy. Just Theory.

This is 100% correct... I am firmly in the Skunkworks camp on this one, nothing someone does to you in a video game should justify threatening that person and their families.

Yes, Skunkworks provoked a negative reaction from someone in game, we all do that, whether its blowing up a ship, or undercutting someones market order. Because of the player content in Eve everything we do will negatively effect someone.

HE chose to react the way he did, HE chose to move it out of game, HE made the decision to attempt to avenge an in game negative effect with out of game threats... Skunkworks in no way provoked an out of game response, it was completely his decision.

Eve is not fair... if it looks fair its a scam or an ambush...
If you find yourself in either one, suck it up, go down fighting, then bounce back and don't do it again.

Never should you threaten someone out of game for in game actions, and never should you be so much of a coward to threaten families.

well that women went ahead with the tease on the unstable dude knowing full well someone else just did a number on him in a bad way (for him). sorry if I cant offer my sincere deep heartened sympathy

and whats your point. So Floppie entirely not at fault this time, next time do it again? Or maybe, just tiny bits of maybe, he could realise all of these would not have happened at all if wasn't in part due to some of his own actions, so he would have learned something and gets better at avoiding similar **** next time? (yes I know he's taking the brunt of the heat for someone else , but its "interesting" how he end up in this position isnt it )

You're then saying that there is no line to cross, so when anyone angers anybody, it is reasonable to assume any reaction is possible and that it should not come as a surprise because you angered them. Murder she wrote, eh?

you just dont get it dont you? most of their arguments boils down NOT about defending the reaction this person had, but YOUR OWN part in which caused this whole fiasco in the 1st place. Its undefinable YOUR OWN actions directly attributed to outcome, however outrageous it is. Get this through that thick skull of yours thats filled with useless defense "but this is a game that guy should know better". Stuff like this happens in real world,. Get over it learn from it and move on. Or are you living in an even bigger hello kitty world than those crazy carebears?

Numerous forum hardmen try to deny their online actions may have consequences in the real world as deep down it gives them the willies.

That just happens to be one of the "favorite" quotes on this peron's Facebook page.... Curiouser and curiouser.

This entire thread is beginning to give me the opinion that Eve's bad guys are among the better human beings playing the game. It's appalling how many of you online do-gooders are leaping to defend the actions of a person who took a game so seriously that he set out to harass them in real life AND INVOLVE OTHER PEOPLE IN HIS STUNTS.

Just one thing though , dont bother the cops anymore. Unless you do something really stupid to further provoke the guy I promise you this will die down.

I see....

I frequently use the Monopoly analogy, but let me use two others and see if that resonates with you.

1) You've bought a movie ticket. The movie you went to see is depressing. You went to it anyways and underestimated exactly how sad the movie is. You find yourself feeling actually super sad. What do you do? Do you just sit there and being soul-crushingly depressed? Do you go to the theater manager or the studio that made the film and demand a reissue or an apology or a refund? Do you simply leave?

In my opinion, only one of those is an appropriate reaction.

2) You've entered into an MMA tournament. You get hit. It hurts. Do you harass your opponent's family and friends after the match? Do you make sure you harden up before the next fight? Do you immediately surrender the match and quit the tournament? (Two of these are appropriate responses.)

Eve is a cutthroat game. No one has ever tried to sell it as anything else. It is the brain equivalent of a full contact sport. If you don't wanna get punched you don't get into a boxing ring. If you can't tolerate having your ships blown up and you carebear assumptions that you brought in from somewhere else questioned, then don't play eve.

There's are thousands of non-contact MMOs. We only have one full-contact MMO.

Just one thing though , dont bother the cops anymore. Unless you do something really stupid to further provoke the guy I promise you this will die down.

I missed this bit in my original reading of the last few pages. Sounds a lot like attempted extortion to me. Or maybe attempted tampering with a witness (which is a felony in the US).

"Just do what I say and nothing (else) bad will happen to you."

Are you sure you really want to go there? In this particular thread?

so stop yapping like a toothless pup.

It sounds like you're trying to twist the words of a valid TAX PAYERS opinion into some kind of scare tactic. He can say whatever he wants, whenever he wants.

"Sounds a lot like attempted extortion to me." Do you know what extortion means? I don't think you do, at all. Learn the meaning of a word before trying to sound like a "threatening" intellectual.

He can go wherever he wants to go in this thread and his opinion and concern are far more valid than any of the closet sociopaths here covering for each other, so stop yapping like a toothless pup.

Else what?
You start harassing him in reallife,
because actions on a forum provoke reactions in reallife?

You're pretty angry, for a pacifist.

Furthermore, its not me painting you ... you are doing it yourself.

Anyway, besides that, i would really like to know how you can make your promise actual reality and what kind of compensation you can offer in case your promise didnt actually work as expected.

Who said I'm a pacifist?

The reason for the harassment is irrelevant. When someone harasses you and your family in RL, you put a magazine of 9mm parabellum in them, and then you call the police!

It sounds like you're trying to twist the words of a valid TAX PAYERS opinion into some kind of scare tactic. He can say whatever he wants, whenever he wants.

What promise are you blathering about?

Someone who enjoys the suffering of others, and isn't concerned about how his actions may affect people outside of this game. Some who exists only to cause upset to those dumb enough to fall for his underhanded tactics. Someone who specifically targets the weak in order to inflict as much pain as possible. Someone who's exactly the same IRL as he is in game. In fact, he's writing this from his prison cell, after having ripped off several old ladies for their life savings.

Are you seeing how this works?

I doubt it. I doubt it very much indeed.

Fixed your post.

Stuff about us all being sick individuals because we act like asshats in a game

But I still stand by my statement. While it doesn't mean everyone is a psychopathic killer IRL, it speaks volumes for the person behind the keyboard to see them enjoying someone elses suffering while continuing to rub salt in the wounds.



Like this person above.

I can't help but wonder what some employers would think about that? Knowing their employees are that way?

More pointless twisted words as per usual of the bumpers.

Some of us have no problems separating real life from a game, Eve brings out the darker side of human nature and allows you to delight in being underhanded, deceitful, and otherwise a nasty person. This does not mean we're the same in real life.

Some of the so called sickos are amongst the most helpful people in the game, to those that display the right attitude when they explode. If you going to cry and throw a tantrum in local or private chat, you should expect people to ridicule you for it. However if you ask pertinent questions and display a positive attitude about your recent explosion then you usually get decent answers, helpful advice and occasionally your ship replaced.

If anyone has a problem it's the guy that took it into the real world, taking an internet spaceships grudge that far is totally out of order. If people can't seperate virtual worlds and the real world then they should GTFO of whatever virtual world they're in.

Real life stalking because of a game is extremely wrong, and IMHO should be a bannable offence.

Yes it should, as should the person trolling hard enough for making the person do such horrid things IRL. Both are responsible.

You are taking my words out of context for your own needs. Sad.

But I still stand by my statement. While it doesn't mean everyone is a psychopathic killer IRL, it speaks volumes for the person behind the keyboard to see them enjoying someone elses suffering while continuing to rub salt in the wounds.

You're well known as an intellectual puppet of James' merry band

You're evidently unable to separate reality from game, and consider them both to be equally as important, in much the same way as the aforementioned 'victim'.

Yes it should, as should the person trolling hard enough for making the person do such horrid things IRL. Both are responsible.

Theory666 went from his ship being blown up to trying to find personal details in under 30 minutes. I know I'm only seeing one side of the story, but that doesn't leave much room for 'trolling'.

I do agree that some people can go too far when harvesting the tears, and I think Skunkworks went too far in this case. They should've told 666 how to leave corp when he asked the first time, coz after that, it was kinda like bullying.

When someone sheds a couple of in-game tears a bit, that's fun. When someone keeps on crying, and gets more and more angry, then that's a sign that you're causing them real mental anguish, and should stop that crud immediately.

And it does not reflect well. Just because you act in a horrid manner in a game does not give you a free pass for your actions.

Stop living in a dream where "online actions can never beget real actions." You're an adult, act like it and realize every action has a reaction. It's up to you to manage your actions and, in turn, the reactions it brings.

They should've told 666 how to leave corp when he asked the first time, coz after that, it was kinda like bullying.

It's not "can't". It's "shouldn't".

If I leave my house unlocked and someone steals my TV, is it my fault or theirs? Sounds like in your world, it's my fault for not locking my door. I should just accept the consequences of my actions, even though the thief is the only person in the story who actually did something WRONG.

Thank you! As you can see, he AND I in no way condone what Theory did. It was wrong, plain and simple. But so was egging him on to and BEYOND the breaking point.

Let's not be too hasty with agreeing! Judging by the chat logs, I think 666's breaking point was when his CNR popped! There's not a lot anyone could do about that.

Maybe he wouldn't have gone through with the crank calls if he'd been allowed to leave corp an hour or two later - who knows.

Thank you! As you can see, he AND I in no way condone what Theory did. It was wrong, plain and simple. But so was egging him on to and BEYOND the breaking point.

You keep saying egging him on, but I'm not sure you know what it means. When you egg someone on, you encourage them to take a course of action. Is in "go on little Jimmy, throw a stone through that airlock."

These guys were definitely mocking him. Totally different. As in "your posts are bad, and you should feel bad."

Paticularly like the one about it being your fault if you get burgled because you forgot to lock your door. Nailed it.

Attempting to solicit a reaction by opening your statement tauntingly with something I said a page ago. How cute.

If you don't believe trolling someone is not intentionally egging someone on to rage, then you are simply delusional and another extremist tear collector trying to make an excuse for their horrid past time.

And he did nail it with the locked door illustration, he showed how both parties are at fault :)

You should never assume things about people. I don't assume that you have lost track of which alt you are answering with by the way you refer to your quote in the third person. Nor do I assume that you are a desperately trying to hold on to any shred of credibility you have by throwing out random insults. If you took two seconds to look at my toon, you would see I am a massive carebear, who pootles around in highsec. Hardly a tear extracting psycopath.

I think that your example of the door not being locked is actually pretty good. On the one hand, we have the home owner, who has made a small error and is disproportionately punished. On the other, we have a criminal, who has stepped outside the boundaries of the societal norm, to break both morally and criminally.

Guess which one is theory666 in my opinion.

Guys, perhaps we should leave Unit alone. Its obvious that he feels coming after us IRL for disagreeing with him on a forum is an acceptable behaviour, and we are likely all in danger at this point.

After all, his every post is telling us that we should be expecting it.

Is "Come At Me Bro" the appropriate response to that sort of behavior?

Is "Come At Me Bro" the appropriate response to that sort of behavior?

Guys, perhaps we should leave Unit alone. Its obvious that he feels coming after us IRL for disagreeing with him on a forum is an acceptable behaviour, and we are likely all in danger at this point.

Glad our cops here in Texas will help you drag the body back into your house because it reduces their paperwork.

You are ill informed, unable to see another superior argument to your faulty view point, and you continue to condone the actions of griefers while saying they should get away with instigating real world reactions and refusing to take any responsibility for being the catalyst of such an event.

You are everything wrong with Eve. Have a pleasant day. :)

If I leave my house unlocked and someone steals my TV, is it my fault or theirs? Sounds like in your world, it's my fault for not locking my door. I should just accept the consequences of my actions, even though the thief is the only person in the story who actually did something WRONG.

This thread is full of dumb on so many levels and I'm too intellectual to really be commenting on it, but...

...with that analogy you're pretty much shooting yourself in the foot - just ask any insurance agent. Seriously, if you have home insurance then call your broker at the next available opportunity and ask him, "if I leave my house unlocked when I leave - and I swear I simply forgot to - how much would you pay out for all the stuff that got burgled?"

He'll put you on hold. Not to actually check how much you'd get, but to laugh his a$$ off in peace and quiet. Eventually he'll come back with something like, "How about 10%. Only fair, right? If you want more I know a good lawyer to help you with that. Really, he always works for us. Uh, with us, I mean."

So not only can you not read, but you're a gun totting pro-vigilante hooligan to boot. Everything makes so much more sense now.

But I'm a generous soul, and I will refer you back to posts 184, 178, 170, and 103, all which clearly show that you are a liar and that I do not condone such behavior, but say that both parties have fault.

You are ill informed, unable to see another superior argument to your faulty view point, and you continue to condone the actions of griefers while saying they should get away with instigating real world reactions and refusing to take any responsibility for being the catalyst of such an event. You are no longer credible and a non-participant in this argument.

You are everything wrong with Eve. Have a pleasant day. :)

U mad bro?







...read all 10 pages and nobody said that yet. Had to do it.

So you read my serious post too? Lies, because I am missing your thumbs up! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2573962#post2573962