Sarcasm is such a delicate artform.

And your type is precisely the type that CCP should ban from Dust.
I am no fan of Dust, as it will take away from Eve if Dust is successful.
But I would hate it more if it were to fail because your type ruins the game.

And your type is precisely the type that CCP should ban from Dust.
I am no fan of Dust, as it will take away from Eve if Dust is successful.
But I would hate it more if it were to fail because your type ruins the game.

It's anti-EVE and anti-skill. In EVE you can't just take your bomber fleet and bomb the hell out of your tackle knowing the enemy will die and your allies won't. It adds balance, dimension and skill to using a bomber fleet knowing you could actually kill your own fleet instantly if bombing carelessly. Contrast that with the DUST closed beta (which I played) where the people dominating the killboard were using milita aircraft with infinite AoE rockets to bombard the battlefield with little regard if their rockets landed right on their teammates' heads as long as the enemy was within proximity of the blast. Friendly fire is the diffence between tactical decisions being made and "spray and praying" wildly into a crowd of your teammates hoping to rack up kill points.

Not to be a naysayer, but ask yourself one question:

DUST, or Call of Duty?

Not to be a naysayer, but ask yourself one question:

DUST, or Call of Duty?

This. I feel that I'm not EVE type enough, but shooting your teammates for the hell of it aka random awox (or due to being an infiltrator or whatnot) isn't what I first think of when presented to no friendly fire rule, instead I think of indiscriminate use of AoE stuff which is quite potent in FPS oftentimes unless balanced by friendly fire potential (other factors and certain circumstances that can influence that aside).

From my own experience with multiplayer FPS, someone playing FFA in a team match is something that happens once on a blue moon. But being killed by a teammate who fling grenades or full autos around despite enemies coming into melee with allies is something I had to face quite often.

Of course this observation is based on games that have no bigger picture past a single game, but I don't see infiltrators "awoxing" people during important battle to be a problem more than similar type in EVE. This can happen, but infiltrated toons are usually too valuable to be used like that and I don't see people RQ'ing over abundand usage of that technique.

Actually... yah that's possible. They're introducing friendly fire soon for corp matches and contracts mercenary work. There will be rage but that's going to be an allowed form of griefing... like a saboteur or corp thief is in eve. Will be interesting.

Brooms ftw

There are however differing mindsets in an FPS vs a game like EVE... people LOVE shooting their own guys in FPSs. Quite often because there's no significant penalty to doing so. A game like EVE is more easily able to present consequences to such actions that don't destroy one's ability to play the game effectively entirely.

Cod, but only because of the control.


I think this is something CCP really needs to get on the ball with. Cod and halo are good because of the fluidity of the controls.

Not really thanks to wardec evasion. The only real consequence is that of reputation as a traitor, which applies to both games.

1.182 million DUST accounts already...

There has to be a way to make ISK off of them... wouldn't you think?

Not to be a naysayer, but ask yourself one question:

DUST, or Call of Duty?

"non-consensual PVP" = 'drive them out of the game'
Kelduum has raised you well

You want to have this discussion? Don't bring it to other topics. But yes, to the extent you want to bring it, being able to attack whoever you want without consequence, that falls under that particular extreme. Encouraging changing a system in a way that only encourages griefing individuals is exactly that. Its a system that needs adjustments, not a sledge hammer.

You do realize, that free is the reason so many people signed up right?

Call us in six months, and then find out how many "Active" accounts there are....

Damn guys... let me put this on ice right now. Public matches where people are just thrown into a game or lobby together randomly will have friendly fire turned off. That's how it should be. I actually wouldn't mind if friendly fire was on in a public game, just as long as you had the option of booting someone from the match who was teamkilling you. That's how it is in every other FPS game and there's a good damn reason for it. As it is, turning friendly fire off for pub matches is fine.

Corp battles and merc contracts will have friendly fire turned on... so yah... make sure you know who your friends are. That's also fine because yah, it's still New Eden and s*** still happens.

We've been talking about this at length in the DUST forums and I'm pretty sure most people are on the same page. There's no mining in an FPS game... the only carebears there are refugees from high sec mining corps in eve... trust me DUST is going to be plenty bloody.

Yep, yep.

However I will say considering the non-permanent nature of the equipment you need to continually buy I would say industry in some form or another is fairly inevitable.

Lets face it, it takes all types.

I don't know... I would bet not. If DUST mercs can "make" their gear, that crafting system won't look ANYTHING like eve's. Maybe when you control districts you have weapons manufacturers building certain things in them.... but it better be hands off. Own district: collect tank turrets (& bacon). FPS gamers are like EvE PvPers if they had shorter attention spans and no alts. You're not going to get a robust and complex industry going... it would be a big turn off. I'm sure they'll outsource most of it to EvE... at least the hard parts. imho anyway...

Has there ever been a FPS game that has lasted more than 1 year, with any individual iteration?
Yes, there are oodles of FPS franchises that last a decade, but that is over 4 or 5 releases of the game.

It is entirely possible that is what they will do, and it would prove an excellent dynamic between the games... but I try to keep in mind two things.

1: Just because an option is made available in a game doesn't mean the majority of players have to use it to justify it, nor will its presence prove detrimental to the rest of the player base.

2: Never stereotype a group of people... they have a way of proving you wrong more often than not.

1.182 million DUST accounts already...

There has to be a way to make ISK off of them... wouldn't you think?

its a F2P game and you want to use the number of accounts as success indicator?