CLEARLY Dragoon is not being USED AT ALL!!

I'll give you a famous quote: "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics."

Just because a ship or ship type is used less then others does not automatically mean it's bad. And besides the numbers show it actually is being used so your statement: is kinda lousy as an argument isn't it? The next time you might want to back up these kind of requests with a little more and definitely better arguments other then pointing to statistics.

Consider it might just be that players just haven't found out how to best use the Dragoon or it is best used as a more supportive destroyer so you don't need or even want the majority of destroyers/ships in gang being Dragoons. It's unique features kinda point to that is my personal view.

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Number of Ships Destroyed in PvP

4,959 - Algos

1,800 - Dragoon

Since when was something not being used often evidence for it being bad?

The range bonus has no real use, any frig that needs to be in scram range will die anyway regardless of the silly neut range and any frig that wants to kite won't get caught by it. It doesn't do anything useful. The ONLY use it has is when doing Bloodraider pve because they have a tendency to keep you at 9km while you're webbed and neuted. So the bonus is for PVE purposes as there is ZERO realistic use for it in PVP.

Anyone claiming it has a use in PVP should state the exact scenario they think it's beneficial and I'll give you enough reasons to explain to you why you're an idiot for thinking that this actually happens. Lets see how many of the above posters come up with this amazing scenario where it's actually useful, I highly doubt any of them will.




dude, you're better than this.

The range bonus has no real use, any frig that needs to be in scram range will die anyway regardless of the silly neut range and any frig that wants to kite won't get caught by it. It doesn't do anything useful. The ONLY use it has is when doing Bloodraider pve because they have a tendency to keep you at 9km while you're webbed and neuted. So the bonus is for PVE purposes as there is ZERO realistic use for it in PVP.

Anyone claiming it has a use in PVP should state the exact scenario they think it's beneficial and I'll give you enough reasons to explain to you why you're an idiot for thinking that this actually happens. Lets see how many of the above posters come up with this amazing scenario where it's actually useful, I highly doubt any of them will.




dude, you're better than this.

Pah! loads of frigs kite at the edge of scram range (incursus, Tormentor, rifter, merlin etc etc) without the range bonus and no primary damage bonus to a ship weapon system it has the real possibility of being kited to death. One of the most fun ways to screw dessy pilots off.

The range bonus gives it neut capability past scram range. Not everything is either 15+km's or at point blank. You need to get out more!

The only way that works is if the dragoon in question is sitting still and not acting nor reacting to some frigate taking its time to get into orbit (if that frig isn't careful he'll overshoot on his own), in which alternate universe does that happen? If a competent pilot would fly a non range bonused neut dragoon and you'd try to attack it with that scram frig you'd get 2 neuts cycled on you before you get into your orbit 2 out of 3 times, getting you into trouble before the fight starts for real. So it serves no purpose there.

Then we get to the ehp/dps stuff, your kiting frig will simply not last. apart from that you either lack the damage projection or you lack the tracking to deal with the Dragoon's drones, on top of that it has rockets.

All this theoretical "I'll orbit you at 8.5km so HAH" is exactly that; theoretical, could you overheat? sure but will it actually work against a competent pilot? not really because even if you were able to pull that off the dragoon's EHP/dps would still just crush you. So it, again, serves no purpose.

The range bonus does not help it killing frigs and it doesn't help it from dying to cruisers.

Since when was something not being used often evidence for it being bad?

dude, you're better than this.

I am not defending the dragoon (I don't have an opinion as I haven't really messed with it much).

I am saying that usage statistics does not tell you anything about a ship's effectiveness.

The only way that works is if the dragoon in question is sitting still and not acting nor reacting to some frigate taking its time to get into orbit (if that frig isn't careful he'll overshoot on his own), in which alternate universe does that happen? If a competent pilot would fly a non range bonused neut dragoon and you'd try to attack it with that scram frig you'd get 2 neuts cycled on you before you get into your orbit 2 out of 3 times, getting you into trouble before the fight starts for real. So it serves no purpose there.

Then we get to the ehp/dps stuff, your kiting frig will simply not last. apart from that you either lack the damage projection or you lack the tracking to deal with the Dragoon's drones, on top of that it has rockets.

All this theoretical "I'll orbit you at 8.5km so HAH" is exactly that; theoretical, could you overheat? sure but will it actually work against a competent pilot? not really because even if you were able to pull that off the dragoon's EHP/dps would still just crush you. So it, again, serves no purpose.

The range bonus does not help it killing frigs and it doesn't help it from dying to cruisers.

So conclusion: Out of ALL the new dessy's this is the worst and could use adjustment PERIOD.