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elise densi
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Posted - 2013.02.10 09:14:00 -
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The Mac is the best solo minder atm, while the hulk does best wit fleeted ops
sutch as orca/hulk with fleet bonuses, i dont see why the ret is the king of mining... |
Kate stark
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Posted - 2013.02.10 11:27:00 -
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elise densi wrote:The Mac is the best solo minder atm, while the hulk does best wit fleeted ops
sutch as orca/hulk with fleet bonuses, i dont see why the ret is the king of mining...
because it has pretty much the same yield as the mack, and costs about 1/5 of the price, and mack kills are better for your isk efficiency on killboards so if some one *really* wants to get a kill today, it won't be your **** fit 30m isk retriever.
in short, the mackinaw just doesn't really offer anything that a retriever doesn't, considering the price difference. |
Kestrix
Industrial Renaissance
MinTek Conglomerate
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Posted - 2013.02.11 12:54:00 -
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Well I still like my hulk |
Dex Thunakar
Hidden Agenda
Deep Space Engineering
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Posted - 2013.02.11 14:48:00 -
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Eh? Mackinaw still beats Retriever, right? No clue what's wrong with OP.... |
Dex Thunakar
Hidden Agenda
Deep Space Engineering
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Posted - 2013.02.11 14:50:00 -
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Kate stark wrote:elise densi wrote:The Mac is the best solo minder atm, while the hulk does best wit fleeted ops
sutch as orca/hulk with fleet bonuses, i dont see why the ret is the king of mining... because it has pretty much the same yield as the mack, and costs about 1/5 of the price, and mack kills are better for your isk efficiency on killboards so if some one *really* wants to get a kill today, it won't be your **** fit 30m isk retriever. in short, the mackinaw just doesn't really offer anything that a retriever doesn't, considering the price difference.
"Pretty much" the same yield? Perhaps... but still more yield also.... |
Kate stark
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Posted - 2013.02.11 19:20:00 -
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Dex Thunakar wrote:Kate stark wrote:elise densi wrote:The Mac is the best solo minder atm, while the hulk does best wit fleeted ops
sutch as orca/hulk with fleet bonuses, i dont see why the ret is the king of mining... because it has pretty much the same yield as the mack, and costs about 1/5 of the price, and mack kills are better for your isk efficiency on killboards so if some one *really* wants to get a kill today, it won't be your **** fit 30m isk retriever. in short, the mackinaw just doesn't really offer anything that a retriever doesn't, considering the price difference. "Pretty much" the same yield? Perhaps... but still more yield also....
1% yield per level. once you hit exumer 3 or 4, the amount of training for an extra 1% honestly isn't worth it unless you're OCD about min/maxing.
unless you own, and efficiently use a hulk i wouldn't reccomend you train exhumer V. again, a 1% yield increase is completely worthless unless you're 100% accurate at shortcycling asteroids.
i'm not sure there's any other skill that adds so little reward for the same time investment when looking at exhumers V |
Charles the Miner
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.02.11 21:49:00 -
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The Retriever is King, if you are foreveralone.jpg 
True miners should strut their stuff in fleets. Even if they are just your own alts  |
Kate stark
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Posted - 2013.02.11 21:53:00 -
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Charles the Miner wrote:The Retriever is King, if you are foreveralone.jpg True miners should strut their stuff in fleets. Even if they are just your own alts
and i'll still use a mackinaw because i'm busy watching jack bauer being awesome. |
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
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Posted - 2013.02.13 18:24:00 -
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Zetaomega333 wrote:Its not the king it just means highsec is full of either people to god damn lazy to use a covetor and make more isk or havnt trained for a covetor yet.
Hulk is still the best ore, merc, ice miner period.
So you missed the part where the different skill requirements were removed? Retriever takes the same skill requirements as the covetor now. Only difference is focus and bonuses.
A mining barge 1 you can fly all three. But the yield is nearly identical. procurer gets its single strip miner bonused 200% making it equal to 3. Retriever gets its two stripminers bonused by 50% making them equal to 3. Covetor has 3 stripminers. It is not until you get mining barge trained a few levels that the extra 4% per level the covetor gets really makes a difference.
The large Cargo hold of the retriever results in less trips to station which more than makes up for its slight reduction in yield. mining barge 5 gives the covetor a 20% yield gain over the retriever, but at mining barge 2% it is only 8%. The procurer gets a 5% per level shield bonus which with a tanked fit can make it very hard to gank.
Even with exhumers the gap in yield has been vastly reduced. With the basic bonuses making all ships basically equal to a base yield of 3 strip miners it is only the per level bonuses that set them apart. At exhumers 5 the Skiff and Mack get a 5% yield bonus(1% per level x 5 exhumers), while the Hulk gets 30% bonus (3% per level x 5 mining barge + 3% per level x 5 exhumers).
Although this does seem different then I recall from the initial change. I though the retriever had better yield then the procurer, It still dos if you fit a 3rd MLU, but was it a stealth change or did I just miss it in the patch notes? Or am I remembering wrong?
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Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
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Posted - 2013.02.13 18:32:00 -
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In case anyone is interested in what a truly maxed Hulk can actually pull in. At least on paper.
Skills that affect yield for strip miners are;
mining - 25% at level 5 (5% per level)
Astrogeology - 25% at level 5 (5% per level)
ore specific 4 for ability to use T2 crystals - 75%
mining barge skill - varies per ship on a per level basis. 15% for Hulk (3% per level)
exhumers skill - varies per ship on a per level basis 15% on Hulk (3% per level)
MLU II - 9% bonus per module Hulk can use 2 while Mack can use 3 - 18% on Hulk
Considering a HULK runs 3 strip miners on a 3 minute cycle, yield of a single strip miner is equal to over all yield per minute.
Although this looks like a total of 173% bonus, it is actually much more, because each bonus is added one at a time one level at a time, so the bonuses are compounded. the 75% from the crystals is added last, so it is 75% of you already boosted yield, not 75% of the base. so if we start with the base yield of a strip miner II of 360m3/cycle you do not end up with 982m3 but with 1638m3. Based on max skills and Max yield Fit. Adding a 5% yield implant takes that to 1720. Add Michi implant your at 1806. Before any fleet boosts. Max ORCA boost is 10% with mining foreman implant plus cycle time bonus Which I believe works out to about a 60% boost to yield/min. Which takes you to 2890m3/min. You can then gain another up to 404m3/min with Mining drone II's with max skills and drone rigs.
A dedicated miner who actually maxes out everything, including skills, implants, fit, and fleet boosts, can actually have a max yield on paper of well over 3000m3/min with a HULK. 3294m3/min by my math, (might have made a mistake, but should be very close). Acording to Cerlestes.de even mining nothing but veldspar that will net you about 590K isk per minute or over 35 mil per hour, if you could find a grav sit of Hed/Hem(currently the top ores according to cerlestes.de) which seems common in high sec, you could make as much as 54 million isk per hour. Pretty nice income if you spend the time and resources to actually max out your yield.
So next time you look at you skills and say, WTF I got decent skills, why am I only making 18M/hour. You NEED max skills, implants, and boosts to hit these numbers. Decent skills with decent boosts will only put you in the 20-25M range. |
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