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Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.06 17:18:00 -
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"i am too dumb to understand how people make isk halp" |

Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.06 17:19:00 -
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"oh i guess an rmter botting for isk is unable to manage to figure out 'maybe i should run more ice mining bots' after all i am dumber than rocks ergo everyone is" |

Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.06 17:38:00 -
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Kiteo Hatto wrote:So wait......you mean somebody actually trained up 40 accounts to use marauders AND bought the hulls AND fittings to "bot" in them ?
Thats a lot of isk required to "make more isk", by then that person would probably be bored by the amount of effort required to maintain that style of play.
You really don't make that much from missions, i'd be down in null running anomalies if i wasn't such a casual risk averse carebear scrub. yeah this is pretty much nonsense
missions are hilariously heavily botted: for a long time one of the surest ways to make money was buy implants shortly before a big patch and sell them right afterwards
why did that work so well? because each new patch would break mission-runner bots for a few days to a few weeks, causing far fewer implants to come to jita and causing a price spike
the swings are much less extreme now because of fw though |

Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.06 17:41:00 -
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basically missions and ice are heavily botted in empire for two reasons:
a)infinite scalability: botters can keep onlining new bots and throwing them at sources of money ad infinitum. a mission runner system or ice belt supports as many bots as a botter can manage
b)no competition: botters don't have to compete for resources with real players, who will get mad at them and report them to ccp (or harrass their bots)
they're in empire of course because
c)no risk: because of concord, the risk is minimal, very little ganking, and the bots can be much dumber and lose much less uptime to having to hide. |

Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.06 17:50:00 -
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Kiteo Hatto wrote: Interesting, good to know! Care to explain how does one bot missions though ? Not sure if its just me but I just can't imagine software do missions, i mean, what you get is random :S How do the "bot" know what to shoot and when to start shooting ? Well, maybe it would be possible with overtanked missile boats or drone boats(before retribution) but the dps would be so low that it would take forever for each mission and income per hour would drop so low that the "bot" might as well mine roids.
missions are incredibly not random, there is a very limited set of missions and you know which mission you're going off on
i dunno exactly how they're programmed (if they rely on pimpfit omni-fits, if the bots can fit themselves, or if they just only accept certain missions they can do well) but mission-running bots have existed for ages and some googling would probably pop up the names of the common bots. it's been going on for many years though so bot writers have had plenty of time to tweak their approach to increase money |

Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.06 17:53:00 -
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Jake Warbird wrote: Well, I guess then you'd have to petition those accounts. No one likes botters. I'm sure CCP would ban them, at IP levels if need be. Ofcourse, you'd need proof first.
we reported every ice mining bot we found when killing them (they are less fun to kill because they don't ***** at you in local)
the issue is the 'report bot' function just feeds data to sreeg's algorithms rather than causing an investigation of the bot, according to the stuff he's said, and the rest of the staff doesn't really look into it much anymore
so it's basically a question of how good his algorithms are getting (fairly good from my understanding)
bots are a huge factor in the eve economy and if you're trying to understand the market you've got to understand what's going on with botting |

Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.06 18:57:00 -
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Sura Sadiva wrote: Do you really think people are stupid?
Don't be victim of your own propaganda, use your brain and tell us:
1. If you have to install a ratting bot, would you install it where the rat spawn pay you 20k isk or where they pay 1-2 milions isk and you can do it more efficiently in a carrier and have no competitors?
2. if you had to install, let's say, an ice mining bot woulf you install it in Aubudan where you have to compete with hunfdreds other miners and risk to be suicide ganked or in some remote corner of 0.0 where an alliance or coalition grant you private belts in a blue safe area and wheere is far more profittable?
And all this in a granted safe area. Is not a coincidence as they're lobbing now to have covertops and cloacking nerfed, cause from here can only come some bothering for their bots.
I feel sorry for all those poor grunts in 0.0 alliances forced in boring activities like structures grinding or to camp the access to their systems, hours and hours spent watching a bubled gates instead of having fun... what are you guarding? Someone else botting farms.
Wake up and take your game back.
your entire post is hilarious nonsense based on the wretched empiredweller belief that although they are terrified to go out into 0.0 its actually perfectly safe
you don't ice mine in 0.0 because it's asking to get afk camped/ganked/awoxed. you also don't "get" what ice mining is because you appear to think there's competition for ice belts. you don't install a ratting bot in empire, you install a mission-runner bot like i was discussing before your brain seized and started blathering
basically you posted a lot of dumb things that don't relate at all to how empire botting is infinitely scaleable noncompetitive and safe |

Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.06 19:00:00 -
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rmt sellers tend to be based in empire for all those reasons: it's rmt buyers who tend to be in 0.0 (people wanting to be important and rmting for a titan or supercarrier: this is really the only time people are going to buy isk in large bulk. people in empire don't really have a need for large amounts of isk because the only people who care about having large amounts of isk will be those who just like making money. sort of pointless to buy in that circumstance)
there was a hilarious screenshot going around of a test titan pilot with -80b in his wallet |

Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.06 19:04:00 -
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when it comes to skimming off the top of alliances like most wretched empire scum bleet about, a little thinking pokes holes in that
most alliances are desperately poor wreches, only slightly above empire corps and running on a shoestring paying rent to their overlords. PL, test, and goonswarm all operate on public finances: people can see where the money goes. there's a tiny handful of other alliances with major income streams to skim off of. If skimming off those was actually it the whole rmt trade could be shut down with a tiny amount of bans. it hasn't (despite massive sreegsing): ergo this is the usual paranoid nonsense |

Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.06 19:24:00 -
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TyeBaak wrote:De'Veldrin wrote:Hedion's oracle wrote:Ok kids .......pay attention, ill put this simply as possible.........ask yourselfs who would have the assets to supply & build the vast amount of supercaps, factionships and everything else on RMT sites, should be easy enough to figure out.  CCP? 1) Sell PLEX for $$ 2) Create bot fleet to earn ISK 3) Buyback PLEX for ISK 4) Destroy PLEX 5) Lather, rinse, repeat until desired income from casual gamers is achieved. ISK is not a liability to CCP, but PLEX are. Follow the $$. There is only one company that can RMT without violating the TOS. Same reason why the US Gov't won't legalize illicit drugs...it would freeze the income source of the CIA. A plan so crazy....It. Just. Might. Work. TB ccp can magic isk out of thin air if it wants duder |

Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4333
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Posted - 2013.02.06 19:34:00 -
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No More Heroes wrote:Sura Sadiva wrote:camp the access to their systems, hours and hours spent watching a bubled gates instead of having fun... what are you guarding? Ya know in nine months of playing this terrible game I've been from Branch to Fountain, Cloud Ring to Period Basis, Catch, Cobalt Edge and back and never seen this. apparently vv, known worthless pubbie, joined a corp that did this once in 0.0 for hours and believed this was normal, and has told lots of other known worthless pubbies it is normal as well
since they are terrified of 0.0 they never manage to make it out to check |

Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.06 19:34:00 -
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Anndy wrote:Weaselior wrote:when it comes to skimming off the top of alliances like most wretched empire scum bleet about, a little thinking pokes holes in that
most alliances are desperately poor wreches, only slightly above empire corps and running on a shoestring paying rent to their overlords. PL, test, and goonswarm all operate on public finances: people can see where the money goes. there's a tiny handful of other alliances with major income streams to skim off of. If skimming off those was actually it the whole rmt trade could be shut down with a tiny amount of bans. it hasn't (despite massive sreegsing): ergo this is the usual paranoid nonsense you seem to be trying really hard to defend the RMT empires almost as if you have some sort of personal stake in it you seem to be trying really hard to get everyone to look anywhere else but where we know the bots are, wonder why
most of my incredibly massive wealth i earned in empire despite being a technetium lord |

Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.06 19:57:00 -
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Anndy wrote: so you just refuse to see the legions bots in null instantly cloaking or log when someone enters local??
you've never been in null have you |

Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.06 20:03:00 -
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Anndy wrote: you also cant deny how things look from the outside, we see massive coalitions that refuse to fight each other(blaming sov mechanics only gets you so far) and for the past few years we've had accusations of RMT within the major alliances sometimes backed up with chat logs and while thats not proof it does make people really question whats going on and it simply doesn't look good
we cannot be held to account for you listening to idiots
ratting bots definitely exist in 0.0 but don't scale well (systems don't hold that many ratters) so anyone doing a lot of bots (which is what you need for rmt, as opposed to people running a bot as a way to fund themselves generally) stick to empire which does scale well |

Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.06 20:11:00 -
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plus anyone who does rat legitimately in null will be watching local like a hawk. people who don't learn to do this get ganked until they learn or until they quit ratting. they'll be in a system where there's enough people anyone new shows up easily in local
so "they safed up" doesn't mean they're a bot it means they're not bait |

Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4336
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Posted - 2013.02.06 21:55:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote: bullshit. They are much smarter now then they were only a few years ago. Fail again.
man am i glad we got your badposting corp out of our alliance |

Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.06 21:58:00 -
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Kiteo Hatto wrote:I absolutely LOVE the fact how guys in big alliances who I don't normally see post in GD(that much) suddenly hotdrop a thread about RMT-ing.
who would have thought a dumb thread by dumbs would be like honey to the goonswarm posting empire |

Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.06 22:02:00 -
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Kalle Demos wrote:Does CFC stand for Conceited Fat and Clueless by any chance? it is really really really hilarious to imagine just how pleased you probably were when you thought of this and how devastatingly insulting you thought it would be
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Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4336
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Posted - 2013.02.06 22:05:00 -
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i have developed the megaburn, a burn so fearsome it blows away all opposition
it is nearly a war crime to unleash, but you have given me no choice
"Does CFC stand for Conceited Fat and Clueless by any chance?" BOOM HEADSHOT WATCH THE GOONS FLEE IN TERROR
oh no they're not leaving
they're laughing
laughing
why god why have you forsaken me the laughter it pierces my soul and rends my mind |

Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.06 22:11:00 -
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~~but technetium~~
a tech moon grosses 5.76b a month
that's a mere 192m per day
it's pretty fuckin easy to run more than 192m worth of missions in a day if you're a robot
so basically if you want to sell isk you can somehow get yourself a tech moon or run a mission bot
one of those is easier than the other and one of them scales a lot better |

Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.06 22:20:00 -
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Anndy wrote: pretty dam good considering it requires almost zero effort to get that 5.76 bill every month oh and how many tech moons do goons have these days? how many do PL have? now add all the other moons that make a decent profit
how much effort do you think running a bot is, exactly |

Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.06 22:23:00 -
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hmm i could run a mission runner bot
or i could collect a giant organization of people to take a tech moon away from another giant organization of people and fight off anyone else who tries to take it
and i am very lazy
how will i make my money
hmm second option seems like the one for me |

Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4348
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Posted - 2013.02.06 22:32:00 -
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Kiteo Hatto wrote: I see you clearly thought about this and decided that ratting bots that chain in null clearly don't make as much ISK as mission running bots(which require higher SP while putting themselves to more risk due to higher % chance of being reported in high).
i addressed this in detail earlier (both parts actually)
if you didn't understand it the first time you won't now |

Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.06 22:39:00 -
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Anndy wrote: who exactly is gonna try to take your tech moons? you ruined the game enough for all the other blue blobs to stop playing with you and now your mad they decided to play away from your crap where you cant hurt them so you try to get the game changed to ruin it for them all over again
you act like dickhammering everyone who might challenge us so effectively they stop trying was easy we just make it look easy~~~ |

Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4352
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Posted - 2013.02.06 22:40:00 -
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Kiteo Hatto wrote: Herp derp, planet Earth to Andski, come in, did i say anomalies.....?
Ratting as in belts, you know. Those belts that have NPC with higher bounties that the NPCs in missions. Those belts that have a chance to spawn some juicy things.
To the other goon above, I also explained my point of view but you clearly missed it, so I won't bother doing it again.
belt ratting is inferior to anomaly ratting in 0.0 and is also competing for limited resources
don't you ever get tired of being wrong |

Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4352
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Posted - 2013.02.06 22:45:00 -
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Scatim Helicon wrote:baltec1 wrote:Yet the area of space with the highest concentration of bots also contains two of the most popular mission systems Have we got to the 'CCP are manipulating the figures and lying about the enthusiastic highsec missioners to cover up for the massive nullsec RMT botfarms' part of the delusion yet? we're at the ignore the pie chart and hope people stop mentioning it phase |

Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.06 22:48:00 -
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Anndy wrote: yes because getting massive numbers and throwing them all into a single system to create lag is hard, and you wonder why no 1 will play with you
~~goonie lagsploits~~
man hadn't heard that one in ages this brings me back |
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