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Judoman
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Posted - 2005.07.17 10:54:00 -
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Ok this is not a moan or dig at anyone or the gaming mechanics or politics of eve im just writing a few lines to tell my buddies why im leaving.
i have played eve 4 a year and a half enjoyed mining 0.0 running etc etc but now i can no longer do level 4 missions solo (dont insult me by posting your ship setups plaese i have them, Tech 2 tempest ,ravens,apocs and so on.. )
i work and dont have the time to spend hours mining etc etc i just want to come home from work and chill on eve 4 1-2 hours.
level 4 missions used to be like that now i can do them but i need a buddy on at the time im on and thats the problem....
i dont care about the raven nerf or the mission nerf or any nerf but the game mchanics have been changed so radically that even elite players can no longer enjoy the level 4 mission scenarios...
a great shame without playability eve will struggle....remember some players actually only play eve 4 certain aspects of the game take those away and u simply lose them....
i wish all my player friends the very best and congratulate the eve online team for a great online journey....its just a shame that the cold war patch froze me out ...goodby..
Moved from 'EVE General Discussion' -Capsicum
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s4mp3r0r
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Posted - 2005.07.17 10:56:00 -
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sorry to see u go...
Guess ill be the first to say :
"can i have your stuff?"
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Bad'Boy
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Posted - 2005.07.17 10:58:00 -
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yea cold war patch made many upset..
TAKE WHAT YOU CAN, GIVE NOTHING BACK!!!
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Dsanta2345
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Posted - 2005.07.17 11:03:00 -
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 Originally by: Judoman
ok this is not a moan or dig at anyone or the gaming mechanics or politics of eve im just writing a few lines to tell my buddies why im leaving .i have played eve 4 a year and a half enjoyed mining 0.0 running etc etc but now i can no longer do level 4 missions solo (dont insult me by posting your ship setups plaese i have them.. tech 2 tempest ,ravens,apocs and so on..)i work and dont have the time to spend hours mining etc etc i just want to come home from work and chill on eve 4 1-2 hours..level 4 missions used to be like that now i can do them but i need a buddy on at the time im on and thats the problem....i dont care about the raven nerf or the mission nerf or any nerf but the game mchanics have been changed so radically that even elite players can no longer enjoy the level 4 mission scenarios....a great shame without playability eve will struggle....remember some players actually only play eve 4 certain aspects of the game take those away and u simply lose them....i wish all my player friends the very best and congratulate the eve online team for a great online journey....its just a shame that the cold war patch froze me out ...goodby..
i doubt many remember me but i have played with you judo, and many others on one of my other accounts(b4 i gave it to a noob and took my 6 month break) and i am sadden by your departure as i was hoping to gain my status in the game again with the same ppl at the top. but as i sit here i see many of them leaving, its just really sad about that what that patch has done.
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Del Narveux
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Posted - 2005.07.17 11:14:00 -
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That is true, the CW patch has ****ed many off, but a lot more are just asking 'why'. It added a lot of toys for rich people and big groups of people, but it is threatening to screw everyone whos not rich or has a ton of pals.
Ultimately this feeling that CCP is trying to make a game that appeals to less than a quarter of the current players is what will turn people off, long term. This can, however, be corrected.
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Schani Kratnorr
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Posted - 2005.07.17 11:14:00 -
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"Cold War" is just another in a long line of "additions" and changes to the game that make it harder for casual gamers to continue enjoying the game.
PvP for example, was possible to do in cheap ships like frigates and cruisers. This meant that people felt more inclined to fight, since they didn't risk loosing as much in terms of ISK. Now you HAVE to have expensive ships and equipment, or risk being killed instantly by people who have just that.
This means that the "deathpenalty" has been increased, which in turn means people are less inclined to get into fights they are not 100% sure of winning (numercial superiority, ie. "ganks").
This all leads to less fighting, more waiting, more "blobbing" if you like, and as a final insult... more boredom...
The irony is that the "reward" for a job well done, is directly linked to how much you have to work for it. Fighting a talented, and well equipped enemy on equal terms was always a rarity, but now the changes made to EVE has made the probability of such fights happening highly unlikely.
This in turn leads to people seeking ways to turn a numerical disadvantage around, and be able to fight despite being outnumbered... hence the investment in better ships and equipment... which in turn leads to less fighting and so on...
End result... EVE is becoming less entertaining.
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So'Kar
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Posted - 2005.07.17 11:19:00 -
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Or you could try something new for that 1-2 hours per day? There is a lot of other stuff you could do and have fun instead doing level 4 missions solo. You might like these new cosmos missions.
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Dsanta2345
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Posted - 2005.07.17 11:20:00 -
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Edited by: Dsanta2345 on 17/07/2005 11:21:44
i dont worry about the CW patch, as i said i started my new charc yesterday...so i am just worrying about training the basic skills to decent lvls before i actually try the new ones.
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and for rat fights, my rookie ship owns 5 blood raiders, and yes they all are shooting me.
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Airpizza II
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Posted - 2005.07.17 11:21:00 -
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Originally by: Schani Kratnorr
PvP for example, was possible to do in cheap ships like frigates and cruisers. This meant that people felt more inclined to fight, since they didn't risk loosing as much in terms of ISK. Now you HAVE to have expensive ships and equipment, or risk being killed instantly by people who have just that.
not one clue what ur talkin bout there...if anything frigs and cruisers got a booost with the missle fix.
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Del Narveux
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Posted - 2005.07.17 11:22:00 -
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I think what hes saying is that ceptors/assaults own the ever living hell out of frigs and cruisers. I personally dont mind t2 as it is as long as its not taken to extreme and we turn into just another 'rich people win' game.
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sariss
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Posted - 2005.07.17 11:28:00 -
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A game that is not evloving is dying. Eve is evolving and it looks like you and most of the other patch whiners are simply unable to adapt. So it seems to me that your time has come and maybe its a good choice for you to leave. Btw, could you please take some of the other patch/missile/agent/whatsoever-whiners with you? Nobody will miss them.
Have a nice day
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Rexthor Hammerfists
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Posted - 2005.07.17 11:30:00 -
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the patch is a great thing, i have my probs with single things but all in all it was a very needed patch.
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So'Kar
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Posted - 2005.07.17 11:30:00 -
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Originally by: Schani Kratnorr
PvP for example, was possible to do in cheap ships like frigates and cruisers. This meant that people felt more inclined to fight, since they didn't risk loosing as much in terms of ISK. Now you HAVE to have expensive ships and equipment, or risk being killed instantly by people who have just that.
In another thread players complain because they are able to survive too long with these "cheap ships" or that they cant wtfbbq cruisers and frigates with cruisers or torps. 
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Del Narveux
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Posted - 2005.07.17 11:31:00 -
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There is a difference between 'evolving' and totally changing stuff. Last I checked this was not beta, so one should not expect everyone to endorse huge glaring changes that mess with what they do with open arms.
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So'Kar
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Posted - 2005.07.17 11:33:00 -
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Originally by: Del Narveux
I think what hes saying is that ceptors/assaults own the ever living hell out of frigs and cruisers. I personally dont mind t2 as it is as long as its not taken to extreme and we turn into just another 'rich people win' game.
Ceptors/assaults have owned t1 version even before patch and he said "Now you HAVE to have expensive ships and equipment, or risk being killed instantly by people who have just that." like last patch changed a lot.
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Larno
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Posted - 2005.07.17 11:37:00 -
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LVL 4 mission rewards nerf = needed
Missile nerf = needed
Capital ships = needed
Outposts = needed
LVL 4 mission difficulty increase = NOT needed.
However I feel there is no way to both keep lvl 4 missions the same difficulty whilst leaving missiles the same. :(
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sableye
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Posted - 2005.07.17 11:51:00 -
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I too felt quite how you did but me and my corp mates have decided togo hunt in 0.0 again, if there was one good change it was the amount of new routes into 0.0 I'm not saying its going to be easy but it makes it alot easier too.
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Aodha Khan
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Posted - 2005.07.17 11:58:00 -
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The Cold War patch was the best yet. Some major gameplay problems have been fixed.
If you can't do lv4 missions solo then do lv3 missions instead. *doh*
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Nyphur
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Posted - 2005.07.17 12:08:00 -
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To be perfectly honest, the Cold War patch just balanced things. You can no longer solo level 4 missions because you weren't meant to.
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Angelus X
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Posted - 2005.07.17 12:11:00 -
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Originally by: Nyphur
To be perfectly honest, the Cold War patch just balanced things. You can no longer solo level 4 missions because you weren't meant to.
give this man a god-damn cookie spot on.
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Joshua Foiritain
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Posted - 2005.07.17 12:14:00 -
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Level 4's are just as easily soloable as pre patch tbh, assuming youre not using a raven of course...
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Tos' Lavoch
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Posted - 2005.07.17 12:18:00 -
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Change is good, Eve isn;t the same game I played two years ago, and if it were then I wouldn't be here now.
There is something to be said for gradual changes though instead of the fundamental changes we sometimes get.
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mrg29
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Posted - 2005.07.17 12:19:00 -
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Originally by: Nyphur
To be perfectly honest, the Cold War patch just balanced things. You can no longer solo level 4 missions because you weren't meant to.
i'm fed up with all these people who keep incorrectly saying lvl4s were never meant to be done solo. if u actually bothered reading any of zrakors many posts on these forums he has repeatedly stated that level 4s are meant to be achievable solo altho some of the tougher ones may require assistance.
there is a huge difference between saying lvl4s were not meant to be done solo by 2 month old characters with a couple of mill sps in a raven to saying that they are not meant to be soloable by experienced players with good skills, good setups and a good knowledge of the game.
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Nyphur
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Posted - 2005.07.17 12:22:00 -
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Edited by: Nyphur on 17/07/2005 12:24:39
Originally by: Angelus X
Originally by: Nyphur
To be perfectly honest, the Cold War patch just balanced things. You can no longer solo level 4 missions because you weren't meant to.
give this man a god-damn cookie spot on.
Yey, a cookie :D. A cookie that's been set asunder by the lord of hosts himself :D.
Level 4s are really for groups of players. It's to encourage group play. If you want to solo missions, level 3 is the way to go. It's not just missions that have been increased in difficulty. The last level of static complexes have been buffed so high that only groups can feasibly take them down. It's all part of the promotion of grouping.
Originally by: mrg29
i'm fed up with all these people who keep incorrectly saying lvl4s were never meant to be done solo. if u actually bothered reading any of zrakors many posts on these forums he has repeatedly stated that level 4s are meant to be achievable solo altho some of the tougher ones may require assistance.
there is a huge difference between saying lvl4s were not meant to be done solo by 2 month old characters with a couple of mill sps in a raven to saying that they are not meant to be soloable by experienced players with good skills, good setups and a good knowledge of the game.
I don't quite understand the point of this, then. I assumed this thread was talking about the difficult level 4 missions like extravaganzas. The normal ones are still soloable.
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Cmdr Sy
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Posted - 2005.07.17 12:24:00 -
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This patch fixed a lot of stuff that needed fixing, but equally, a lot of stuff got overdone. I've had to say goodbye to two good friends post-patch, who never once did the risk vs. reward whine (they never did a level 4 solo in their lives), just felt frustrated at being set back so far, with regards to missile use, mission rewards across the board, and just feeling their custom, their contributions to the EVE universe were not valued.
There are other absent friends who are going to be difficult to tempt back.
There's another guy I know who took it upon himself to run 4 POSs at quite low prices and has taken them down, because some changes mean it's not feasible any more. Not sure what he's going to do now, POSs were his profession.
I know, boo-hoo, but the people I see leaving were the quiet contributors to the game who actually did stuff instead of spamming up the forums. No sour grapes from me, it is always sad to see people go.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2005.07.17 12:28:00 -
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Like I've said before, no doubt all these changes are good for the game. However, things now take so long (due to travel etc) to "happen" that my limited game time is further reduced. I'll probably spend my time farming complexes now. At least I won't have to travel 30 jumps every day.
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Engelious Angelion
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Posted - 2005.07.17 12:34:00 -
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always sad to hear a player leave.
But i must say, thres so much more in the game than level 4's.
Do level 3's in a AF or in a cruiser!!!! I promish you that'll be fun! and hey? so you wont earn the isk your used to, but then isk shouldnt be the one determing factor for fun!!!
Every singel person that is Unsatisfied with level 4 missions, isnt really deisatisfied with that!! THEY are mad they arnt earning as much isk!!!!, So WHAT!
Do level 3's, Go hunting in 0.0........ Do anything you think is fun....
Dont tell me that the isk you earn is what you consider as the only FUN!
If its truly becourse missions are fun to you at level 4's. then level 3's in a cruiser should pose the excat same gameplay, challenge and level of fights....
doing a level 4 in a BS, is more or less the same as doing level 3's in a cruiser...
and since you an elite player, you should have no problem with it....
Dont quit, Reajust, regorupe, relearn and stay in the game....Eve as in life...
Either you accept the changes and learn how to live on, or you get left behind....
That how life is, no matter were you are or what you do, be it this world or the one of eve.... even WOW..heh
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Schani Kratnorr
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Posted - 2005.07.17 12:40:00 -
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Sariss did you read my sig?
My point was this: EVE is a game, and not just a game, but a game that is supposed to be fun. I dont think it's as¦fun as it used to be. I wrote some suggestions as to why this may be, and you chose to label me a "whiner", that just directs attention to your intellectual ineptitude.
Now in the words of someone famous: "end yourself..."
Understand that all that counts is what YOU youself think is fun, and not what OTHERS think you SHOULD think is fun.
Thank you for your kind suggestions. Yes frigates and cruisers got upped, but so did assault and heavy assault, and they stand to dominate the older, cheaper and obsolete models... back to square one...
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Viceroy
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Posted - 2005.07.17 12:40:00 -
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Sorry that you're leaving. I hope you'll come back when CCP release their second game; Level4 Agents Online. Join a universe where EVERYONE runs agent missions, and nothing else even remotely matters. Get better faction modules, more isk and paste your wrecking shots on secure cans into your bio, all while grinding away happily at the same missions over and over again in your raven.
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Fester Addams
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Posted - 2005.07.17 12:42:00 -
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Bigest problem with lev 4 missions in my opinion was that the difference from lev 3 was too big.
Lev 3: Easy, most are doable solo in a tech I cruiser, a brease in a BS or even battlecruiser... not to mention tech 2 ships.
Lev 3: goes from absolute max 1 BS and that is in an optional bonus area that is lev 3 to 90% being multiple BS spawns.
How about a middleground?
Missions that on a regular basis has 1 BS spawn that are created to be soloable.
Extend the agent level system to a 10 scale system, let there be some middleground, the difference between lev 1 and 2 is huge, between 2 and 3 is even bigger and between 3 and 4 its simply mindboggling.
In short, split upp the agents into more qualities. 5 levels of everytihing is consistent and all but for agent a wider spread is needed.
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